Where Is The New 'temple' Going To Be Built? Inside The Walls Or Out?

[beameup]

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,

and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God

sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thes 2:3-4

 

The False Christ ("Antichrist") will virtually be a GOD, with vast supernatural powers.  He will be WORSHIPED by human beings as GOD.

[John81]

 

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,

and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God

sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thes 2:3-4

 

The False Christ ("Antichrist") will virtually be a GOD, with vast supernatural powers.  He will be WORSHIPED by human beings as GOD.

 

And if you follow the pre-trib rapture position this will take place after all Christians are taken away from earth so we won't see this or know of this here on earth.

[Invicta]

 

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,

and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God

sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thes 2:3-4

 

The False Christ ("Antichrist") will virtually be a GOD, with vast supernatural powers.  He will be WORSHIPED by human beings as GOD.

 

 

The temple is the body of Christ, the church.

The  AofD is Dan 11 which shows that Roman armies would place it as does Luke.

 

Sorry a bit of this post seems to have been lost as it was posted. Added now in red

 

The Popes have claimed to be God, as did the Caesars who they are a revival of.  

[Invicta]

And if you follow the pre-trib rapture position this will take place after all Christians are taken away from earth so we won't see this or know of this here on earth.

 

Exactly. So you will never find out you were wrong. It is a theory which can never be proved.

[Genevanpreacher]

Why don't you all read 'why' Daniel is receiving this message from the angel.

Reading the whole chapter helps in understanding 'what' the abomination that maketh desolate is...

 

² "In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

³ And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting..."

 

And...

 

¹⁷ Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.

¹⁸ O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.

¹⁹ O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.

 

The message to Daniel is in reference to what is occurring and what the future for them is.

Jerusalem was in 'waste' [desolation] because the Jews did not OBey the Lord.

Just like they were in the days of Jesus, and his answering his disciples questions in Matt. 24, etc.

[No Nicolaitans]

Why don't you all read 'why' Daniel is receiving this message from the angel.

Reading the whole chapter helps in understanding 'what' the abomination that maketh desolate is...

 

² "In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

³ And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting..."

 

And...

 

¹⁷ Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.

¹⁸ O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.

¹⁹ O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.

 

The message to Daniel is in reference to what is occurring and what the future for them is.

Jerusalem was in 'waste' [desolation] because the Jews did not OBey the Lord.

Just like they were in the days of Jesus, and his answering his disciples questions in Matt. 24, etc.

 

Sorry, but I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to relay. Daniel received his prophecy during the Babylonian captivity...Jerusalem and the temple had been destroyed.

 

Ezra and Nehemiah later went back and repaired the walls and built the second temple. I'm not sure what you mean by "Jerusalem was in waste...just like they were in the days of Jesus". I would have to differ with you on that point...if that's what you were saying. Jerusalem wasn't in waste during the time of Jesus, and they had the temple.

 

Anyway...back to the OP...temple worship will once again be restored. I'm certainly not saying that God will approve of it; he didn't approve of the temple worship before Christ either, because they had corrupted it....but they continued to perform their temple worship. Why is it so hard to believe that religious Jews will once again restore temple worship?

 

Catholics claim they worship God...they don't. It's idolatry. However, they continue to perform their worship services, and they get a pass.

Mormons claim they worship God...they don't. It's idolatry. However, they continue to perform their worship services, and they get a pass.

Muslims claim they worship God...they don't. It's idolatry. However, they continue to perform their worship services, and they get a pass.

 

But when it's mentioned that the Jews will once again perform temple worship, all of a sudden...that's ridiculous, absurd, and without merit?

 

As I said, there are MANY Jews...chomping at the bit...to restore temple worship...right now. If they were allowed to, they would start temple worship immediately. All they need is a temple and permission. The temple can be built quickly, and permission will come...from the Antichrist (in my opinion).

[Genevanpreacher]

Sorry, but I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to relay. Daniel received his prophecy during the Babylonian captivity...Jerusalem and the temple had been destroyed.

 

Ezra and Nehemiah later went back and repaired the walls and built the second temple. I'm not sure what you mean by "Jerusalem was in waste...just like they were in the days of Jesus". I would have to differ with you on that point...if that's what you were saying. Jerusalem wasn't in waste during the time of Jesus, and they had the temple. [Jerusalem was in 'waste' in the vision to Daniel, and Jesus was referring to that book when describing the 70 AD 'desolation' for the Jews 'abominations' of rejecting the Lord. NO I was not saying Jerusalem was a waste when Jesus was saying that.] 

 

Please try and pay attention to what I said, here let me show you -

 

"Just like they were in the days of Jesus, and his answering his disciples questions in Matt. 24, etc." (you can surely see I was talking about Jesus prophesy about what was going to happen?)

 

[by the way, the "etc." meant Mark 13 and Luke 21.]

[Covenanter]

Catholicism, with its rituals and sacrifices are also redundant...yet it continues.

 

Just because God doesn't accept something doesn't stop man from doing things that he thinks are pleasing to God or possibly bring him favor with God. Though vain, the Jews will once again start temple worship. Sir...they would do it right now if they could.

 

See Isaiah 66:1-3 which Stephen quoted. Their continued offerings were neither sacrifices nor OBlations. They were abominations. 

 

Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the OBlation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

Covenanter, I'm not trying to argue with you. If "he" is Christ, and "he" confirmed the covenant with many as you assert...then it only lasted for 7 years (one week). That leaves a lot of people out.

 

If I remember correctly, you assert that Christ confirmed the old covenant through his sinless life. Confirm means to strengthen...not verify. Therefore, using the correct definition of "confirm", you are literally saying that Christ made the old covenant even stronger...and that would leave everybody out.

 

You don't remember correctly. Jesus confirmed the old covenant by the total of his saving work, so that the righteousness of the Law is credited to believers. Now we have the New, Everlasting Covenant in his blood.

 

One week runs from Jesus' anointing & baptism for 7 years, when the Holy Spirit by Stephen declared the Jews who rejected their Messiah "uncircumcised." Jesus, during his earthly ministry & by the Apostolic Gospel had confirmed the covenant with many.

 

Already more than 5,000 believed within a few days of Pentecost. In Acts 6.

And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were OBedient to the faith. 

 

Those "many" were not the total of Jewish believers. Read on in Acts.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

According to my notes from Liberty University, Stephen was stoned the same year that the Holy Spirit fell at Pentecost.

[No Nicolaitans]

Please try and pay attention to what I said, here let me show you -

 

"Just like they were in the days of Jesus, and his answering his disciples questions in Matt. 24, etc." (you can surely see I was talking about Jesus prophesy about what was going to happen?)

 

[by the way, the "etc." meant Mark 13 and Luke 21.]

 

Okay...with this information, I went back and read the other post that was causing me the confusion. I hate to say this, but I still don't know what you're saying. 

[Genevanpreacher]

Okay...with this information, I went back and read the other post that was causing me the confusion. I hate to say this, but I still don't know what you're saying. 

 

One more time...

 

When Jesus was answering his disciples questions [Matt. 24], he described the 'desolation' that Jerusalem was going to experience as the same that was described to Daniel [Daniel 9].

 

The Jews did not 'OBey the Lord' and follow the Lord Jesus Christ,

and the result, because of their sins and iniquities, was that

Jerusalem would lie desolate once again [70 AD], like in Daniels day.

 

I guess a rewording would suffice here.

 

I should have said:

 

"Because the Jews chose to follow other gods and other 'ways' according to Daniels prayer in Daniel 9, the Lord punished them and made Jerusalem desolate."

 

Read the following and see...

 

⁴ And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

⁵ We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:

⁶ Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.

⁷ O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.

⁸ O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.

⁹ To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him;

¹⁰ Neither have we OBeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.

¹¹ Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not OBey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

¹² And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.

¹³ As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.

¹⁴ Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we OBeyed not his voice.

¹⁵ And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.

¹⁶ O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.

¹⁷ Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.

¹⁸ O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.

¹⁹ O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.

 

In answer to this humble prayer, the angel from the Lord says:

 

²⁴ Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, 

and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

To tell him about the forgiveness that will come eventually through Jesus Christ.

[Genevanpreacher]

 

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,

and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that *he as God

sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thes 2:3-4

 

The False Christ ("Antichrist") will virtually be a GOD, with vast supernatural powers.  He will be WORSHIPED by human beings as GOD.

 

 

* He will 'act like God acts on God's throne'.

Not literally sit himself on God's throne in the Temple and rule as if he were God.

 

And, IS THERE a throne of God in the Temple?

[Covenanter]

According to my notes from Liberty University, Stephen was stoned the same year that the Holy Spirit fell at Pentecost.

Are your notes inspired? 

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Are yours?

[Genevanpreacher]

They could be 'inspiring'.