More : Crazy Calvinism

[Behold]

 

Reader, 

 

There is this Teaching that the more hyper Calvinists seem to employ.

This.. = "You must be born again, before you can believe, before you can give God your faith".

Now, any Believer who is born again for 12 seconds, can see that this is exactly backwards, and is an impossible situation to EXIST.

That teaching is teaching that God would join Himself to a sinner, as "one with God" "in Christ"...=  before God has received their faith to then forgive their sin.

So that teaching is... "you are born again, before you have heard the Gospel, and before you have BELIEVED IT">

That is,=  "Salvation comes to you.... before the hearing of faith..... and before you trusted in Christ..."

 

That teaching is...."you are born again to then be able to have faith in Christ".

Now, see how CRAZY Calvinism that is??

That teaching is Theological insanity, and is one of the best examples of... Hebrews 13:9,  = "doctrines of Devils".

That Teaching is a rejection of "All that believe in Jesus, shall be saved".

That Teaching is : Galatians 1:8

Edited March 25 by Behold

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[MikeWatson1]

4 hours ago, Behold said:

 

Reader, 

 

There is this Teaching that the more hyper Calvinists seem to employ.

This.. = "You must be born again, before you can believe, before you can give God your faith".

Now, any Believer who is born again for 12 seconds, can see that this is exactly backwards, and is an impossible situation to EXIST.

That teaching is teaching that God would join Himself to a sinner, as "one with God" "in Christ"...=  before God has received their faith to then forgive their sin.

So that teaching is... "you are born again, before you have heard the Gospel, and before you have BELIEVED IT">

That is,=  "Salvation comes to you.... before the hearing of faith..... and before you trusted in Christ..."

 

That teaching is...."you are born again to then be able to have faith in Christ".

Now, see how CRAZY Calvinism that is??

That teaching is Theological insanity, and is one of the best examples of... Hebrews 13:9,  = "doctrines of Devils".

That Teaching is a rejection of "All that believe in Jesus, shall be saved".

That Teaching is : Galatians 1:8

Yeah, I understand the calvinist wanting salvation to be zero percent us and 100 percent God.  That is how salvation is supposed to be. But they assume 'believe' to be a good work in the book of John.  So they put salvation before belief.

So the thing is explaining to the calvinist that 'believing' is not a work.  

I like to think of it as belief that is initiated by Jesus.. so that He draws us to Him.. and by that drawing we are enabled to believe by Him.  Not though that this is irresistible.. we can still reject this drawing.. reject salvation.. but that it is not started by us and made by us.  All the lost person is doing is giving in to this drawing, by placing their faith 100 percent in Jesus.  That doesn't seem a work on our part.

Just because a lost person is dead in sin.. doesn't mean they have no free will to choose.

 

 

[Jerry]

God doesn't give us faith - though He does convict us of sin and gives us the ability to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption. Yes, salvation is wholly of God, but He does not save us without us responding to the Gospel, without us calling upon Him for salvation.

13 hours ago, MikeWatson1 said:

Just because a lost person is dead in sin.. doesn't mean they have no free will to choose.

Yes, dead in sin does not equate unable to respond at all. If we were so dead we couldn't do anything like a physically dead person cannot do anything, guess what? A physically dead person cannot sin either.