When Marijuana Becomes Legal In Your State...

[DaveW]

The accusation of enemies is hardly proof positive..........

Just because they called Him a winebibber doesn't mean He was.....
Gluttony is a sin - are you saying He was a glutton as well?

[Jeffrey]

The accusation of enemies is hardly proof positive..........
Just because they called Him a winebibber doesn't mean He was.....
Gluttony is a sin - are you saying He was a glutton as well?

No, Jesus never sinned! But it was commonplace for people to drink, like today, Jesus was pointing out the Pharisees hypocracity, that whole section of Lule is pretty damming on the Pharisees and their religious lifestyle

[DaveW]

My point is that you can not use the accusation of an enemy, which is in part obviously untrue, to support your argument.

Their testimony is not reliable.
It doesn't by the way change whether or not He did drink alcoholic wine - but it does invalidate that verse as support for the argument.

I personally am of the conviction that Jesus did not drink alcohol, nor was the wine at the wedding alcoholic.
That is my personal conviction and I am not making an argument here.

[candlelight]

John 2:1-10

King James Version (KJV)

 

2 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:

2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.

3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.

7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.

8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.

9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

  
The "good wine" was not alcoholic wine.  It was PURE grape juice.  I am shocked when I hear Christians talk about Jesus drinking alcoholic wine.  How could the sinless Son of God miraculously fabricate a wine which His own Holy Word denounced as "the poison of the serpent." Proverbs 23-32.  SFIC already posted this scripture.  Also, the Proverbs are principles to live by not promises.  I don't know where you got your wording for the Proverbs, Jeff.  Lets flip the coin and show the other side.  Some Christians will use every gimmick of interpretation and every technical loophole. Christ's first miracle is one of the most misunderstood  passages in the Bible.  But there is no foundation in scripture to back the assumption that Jesus was an alcoholic.  As DaveW said, it was his enemies that said this.  I am certainly not going to support his enemies.  Our Saviour is sinless. If Jesus made and drank alcoholic wine, let's all do it.  Lets let our children go on their merry way towards alcoholism.  

Not all wine is alcoholic any more than all cider is hard.  It is inconceivable to me that our blessed Lord Jesus Christ would ever produce an intoxicant, or that He used fermented wine at Passover.  The Jews (at that time) did not drink alcohol during Passover.  It was forbidden.  He used this wine at Passover as the symbol of His own shed blood.

Fermented wine is decayed wine.  Can that be the symbol of new life in the Spirit?  His holy flesh never saw decay or corruption.  The cup of the Lord and the cup of the devil are two entirely different things, Jeff.  Jesus also miraculously created bread to feed the five thousand, but it was not moldy bread.  Now did he create rotten fish?  Jesus Christ is the creator of life, not death.

I thought Jeffrey was going to create a new thread to discuss alcohol.  Apparently not.  If you can't see this Jeff, then it is too bad.  *sigh*

[LindaR]

 

John 2:1-10

King James Version (KJV)

 

2 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:

2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.

3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.

7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.

8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.

9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

  
The "good wine" was not alcoholic wine.  It was PURE grape juice.  I am shocked when I hear Christians talk about Jesus drinking alcoholic wine.  How could the sinless Son of God miraculously fabricate a wine which His own Holy Word denounced as "the poison of the serpent." Proverbs 23-32.  SFIC already posted this scripture.  Also, the Proverbs are principles to live by not promises.  I don't know where you got your wording for the Proverbs, Jeff.  Lets flip the coin and show the other side.  Some Christians will use every gimmick of interpretation and every technical loophole. Christ's first miracle is one of the most misunderstood  passages in the Bible.  But there is no foundation in scripture to back the assumption that Jesus was an alcoholic.  As DaveW said, it was his enemies that said this.  I am certainly not going to support his enemies.  Our Saviour is sinless. If Jesus made and drank alcoholic wine, let's all do it.  Lets let our children go on their merry way towards alcoholism.  

Not all wine is alcoholic any more than all cider is hard.  It is inconceivable to me that our blessed Lord Jesus Christ would ever produce an intoxicant, or that He used fermented wine at Passover.  The Jews (at that time) did not drink alcohol during Passover.  It was forbidden.  He used this wine at Passover as the symbol of His own shed blood.

Fermented wine is decayed wine.  Can that be the symbol of new life in the Spirit?  His holy flesh never saw decay or corruption.  The cup of the Lord and the cup of the devil are two entirely different things, Jeff.  Jesus also miraculously created bread to feed the five thousand, but it was not moldy bread.  Now did he create rotten fish?  Jesus Christ is the creator of life, not death.

I thought Jeffrey was going to create a new thread to discuss alcohol.  Apparently not.  If you can't see this Jeff, then it is too bad.  *sigh*

 

Amen Sister!  Spot on!

[candlelight]

Thank you, sister.  

[HappyChristian]

  Ok. this thread is about marijuana. NOT alcohol. I realize TLG doesn't actually care if his threads get off topic, but the fact of the matter remains that it appears some people are obsessed with alcohol and must bring it up in multiple threads. Now, before someone points a finger and says, "so and so did it", remember that you responded to it and so continued the derailing (to whomever might try to blame someone).

 

Let's get back on topic and not go into alcohol. Jeffery, you have said many times you are going to being a thread about it - please do so and stop bringing it into other topics.  Thank you.

 

[Guest]

Ohio is thinking about legalizing marijuana?  Just when I think my state couldn't be digressing any further.  *sigh*

 

Did someone say Ohio is thinking about legalizing it?

[Jeffrey]

When my family life slows down and I have time to spend on the computer and my wife doesn't have an entire weekend planned, and I can remember those things she planned, I will

[candlelight]

Did someone say Ohio is thinking about legalizing it?

Sorry, IAC.  I went back and read your post.  I saw the "if" posted in it.  I am not paying much attention to politics these days, b/c it is so depressing.

No problem, HC.  I am going to copy and paste what I wrote, and use it again.  

There is no pressure, Jeffrey.  It's been a long time since I have studied this topic, in full, anyway.

[The Glory Land]

Ok. this thread is about marijuana. NOT alcohol. I realize TLG doesn't actually care if his threads get off topic, but the fact of the matter remains that it appears some people are obsessed with alcohol and must bring it up in multiple threads. Now, before someone points a finger and says, "so and so did it", remember that you responded to it and so continued the derailing (to whomever might try to blame someone).

Let's get back on topic and not go into alcohol. Jeffery, you have said many times you are going to being a thread about it - please do so and stop bringing it into other topics. Thank you.

Let's get back to the subject is correct. Pot full of weeds in the US.

[Jeffrey]

My point is that you can not use the accusation of an enemy, which is in part obviously untrue, to support your argument.

Their testimony is not reliable.
It doesn't by the way change whether or not He did drink alcoholic wine - but it does invalidate that verse as support for the argument.

Jesus's own words.... The Son of man is come eating and drinking; Can He be more clear?

 

I personally am of the conviction that Jesus did drink alcohol,and made wine at the wedding alcoholic.
That is my personal conviction what the Bible teaches and I am not making an argument here. 

[Jeffrey]

I promise you all I will start it soon

[HappyChristian]

Good. No more discussion of it here...

[Jeffrey]

Good. No more discussion of it here...