Are Christians That Drink Wine Not Saved?

[Standing Firm In Christ]

I've ate a lot of his chicken noodle soup over the years.

LOL.  Well, it isn't Chicken Noodle Soup for the Soul, although it has much information on the Scriptural case for abstinence.

[OLD fashioned preacher]

1973 is when I was born again, at that time I had never even heard of covetousness. I continued to covet. Probably a year passed by before I knew what it was.

 

 ICor 6:9-10 says " Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

 

Are you (SFIC) saying that if I died as a baby Christian who was a habitual covetous person I would have gone to Hell? Are you saying that until I had repented of that sin (which I didn't know was a sin) I wasn't saved?

 

Are you saying that HoS knew at the time of his professed new birth that drinking was sin and sought to "have his cake and eat it too"?

Or are you saying that if he got saved back when he believed drinking was a sin (according to earlier statements on his part) but having changed his stand and due to his determination to justify such, he is NOW going to Hell?

 

You may have made your angle clear earlier but I missed it.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

What I am saying is "those who follow a Jesus who drank alcohol and condones the drinking of alcohol have their eyes on a false Jesus... a false Christ, and cannot be saved.

 

Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me.

HoS has made it abundantly clear that the Christ he is following drank alcohol.  I have demonstrated the fact that the true Christ could not have drank alcohol.  HoS is following a false christ.

[OLD fashioned preacher]

What I am saying is "those who follow a Jesus who drank alcohol and condones the drinking of alcohol have their eyes on a false Jesus... a false Christ, and cannot be saved.

 

Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh unto the Father but by me.

HoS has made it abundantly clear that the Christ he is following drank alcohol.  I have demonstrated the fact that the true Christ could not have drank alcohol.  HoS is following a false christ.

I understand that.

He gave indication that back when he was younger (and, the reading implied, saved) he saw drinking as sin.

Fast forward --- that has changed.

 

IF he didn't follow or trust a "drunkard" Christ then, and changed to a different Christ. Was he not saved then, did he lose it, or is he saved and deceived now.

 

-------- hey HoS ----- if I misunderstood and you were alcohol friendly at the supposed time of conversion SPEAK UP NOW, don't sit in the corner and watch (if you're even still around)!

[Standing Firm In Christ]

What did Jesus say in the Gospels?

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He shall guide you into all truth.  Sorry, it is obvious HoS is not being guided "into all truth" if he supposedly knew the truth but moved away from it and now teaches and presents to us a christ who was a low-level drunkard.

Does a low-level drunkard sound like the sinless and spotless Lamb of God?  Seriously?

Sorry, but I just don't buy it.  My Jesus never drank alcohol.  Nor does He condone the drinking of alcohol in the lives of those who serve and follow Him.

 

[Alimantado]

Are you (SFIC) saying that if I died as a baby Christian who was a habitual covetous person I would have gone to Hell? Are you saying that until I had repented of that sin (which I didn't know was a sin) I wasn't saved?

 

Good post OFP. See my email >here where I explain why I think SFIC is saying exactly that with his 'different Jesus' claim. SFIC did reply to me but not with a response to the points I made.

 

If one believes--mistakenly for the sake of argument--that drinking alcohol is not in of itself a sin, then logically one will be open to the possibility that Jesus may have drunk wine at some point during his ministry on earth. SFIC says that to believe such is to believe in a different Jesus and not the real one that saves. Therefore SFIC is saying that unless one knows that drinking is a sin and repents of it at the point they call on the Lord for salvation, they cannot be saved.

 

And if not recognising one type of sin is a bar to salvation...

[Alimantado]

No I didn't.  If I believed that I would have had to have been saved again by Christ in my third year.

 

I quoted your most unoquivocal statement to that effect >here. I can't read your mind, I can only go by the words you type.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

I have demonstrated why Christ could not have partook of alcohol using both Scripture and medical facts.

Regardless what some may want to believe, the true Christ could not have partook of alcohol.  Those that say Christ did are not following the true Christ.

How can one who follows a different Christ be saved?

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

[The Glory Land]

New wine in new wine skins.  Let's look at that passage, shall we?

Luke 5:36-39 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old. And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

Now, Jesus said if new wine is put into new wineskins, both are preserved.  BOTH.  Both what?  Both the new wine and the wineskins.  Preserved.  Kept Unaltered.

The same unfermented wine that is put in the skins is kept from fermenting... it is preserved. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But the old taste better, and cost more. Just like any special wine today. 

[John81]

When Scripture refers to false christs, it refers to those presenting a false gospel, it's not referring to someone having a wrong impression, view, understanding or belief in every aspect of Christ Jesus.

 

If a born again believer thinks Jesus may have drank some wine that no more makes them a believer in a false christ  than it would the person who believes Jesus had long hair.

 

I know from my own personal experience, as well as from speaking with countless Christians, that most came to faith in Christ with a rather limited understanding of Christ beyond the very basic of bascis.

 

Those believers who think Jesus may have drank wine could be said to be wrong, mistaken, ill-informed, or such, but not that they believe in a false christ.

[The Glory Land]

I have demonstrated why Christ could not have partook of alcohol using both Scripture and medical facts.

Regardless what some may want to believe, the true Christ could not have partook of alcohol.  Those that say Christ did are not following the true Christ.

How can one who follows a different Christ be saved?

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't forget Bro. all those Christian that take cold medicine are lost too".   Alcohol  Nyquil ?

[Alimantado]

GL, you need to figure out how to use the quote box properly. Last two posts of yours it's really hard to tell your writing from the quote.

[swathdiver]

I quoted your most unoquivocal statement to that effect >here. I can't read your mind, I can only go by the words you type.

 

My statement was in response to yours in post #334.  Sorry for not being more clear in the totality of my posts.  

 

When first saved, I searched my NIV bible high and low for verses against drinking, all the commentary on the margins of the study bible said it was ok in moderation of course.  But still I kept looking and drinking.  Catholic priests drank on television as did the pastors at the rock-n-roll church we attended after the Catholic church.  Then I moved my family 66 miles to our IFB Church and the King James Bible.  Finally, I could see the verses from God's Word, not the mumbo jumbo from the MVs, and one of the first preaching series of sermons was on booze.  Thank you Lord!  Haven't had a drop since and have no desire either.

 

So was I saved in 2007 or in 2010?  A couple of verses come to mind are that a wise man will receive correction but a fool does not like correction and indeed will lash out at sin.  Having surrendered, if I learned that something learned earlier was in error, I changed it, my only desire is not to follow this church denomination or that one's doctrine, it's to follow God's Word, period.  God saved me on June 13, 2007.

[The Glory Land]

GL, you need to figure out how to use the quote box properly. Last two posts of yours it's really hard to tell your writing from the quote.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

0.k thanks

[John81]

GL, you need to figure out how to use the quote box properly. Last two posts of yours it's really hard to tell your writing from the quote.

Amen! Post your replies UNDER the box the quote is in, please!