Racial Integration

[Guest]

I found the answer to my original question...I have a hard time understanding a governor calling out his national guard to prevent black kids from attending a white only school.

[JerryNumbers]

You would to have lived in those days, & lived in the south to half way understand the things that happened in those days.

As I have said 3 times, the blacks in our county wanted to keep their schools, & keep on as they had been. They had their own school, had their own school officials, had their own school board, had their own school buses & wanted to keep it that way. I can understand why, they had the say so, when they combined with the white schools they lost part of that.

And as I also said earlier, in other counties I don’t know how things went.

Maybe this country has & its leaders has not been near as good as many people claim, & its not really getting no better. But what can we expect in a fallen world, and a country that is run by fallen people.

Even many professing Christians do not want things fair, they want everything in their favor, so that life will go grandly for them. We will have a better understanding of that in that day that is coming. There will be many surprises for all of us.

[John81]

One also has to remember at that time education was still considered to be a local and State matter, something outside the bounds of the federal government.

One also has to consider the many ill feelings towards the Southern States which were, and still are, held by many in the other States. So long as the federal government seemed to only be using force against Southern States to interfere in education and other matters, the rest of the States were either supportive or silent. This was deliberate as an examination of the meetings between American leaders and "civil rights" leaders, including JFK, his brother Robert, and MLK, indicates. JFK specifically told MLK to stay out of the Northern States, he was especially upset after the incidents in Chicago. He told MLK that if he concentrated on the Southern States then the federal government could force the issue with the support or at least the silent consent of the other States.

As we now know, this worked. By the time the Southern States had stood alone and the force of the federal government had overwhelmed them, there was little major, organized resistance left. That's when the federal government took on the other States, none of which were united as had been the South. Mothers in Boston were beaten. This, along with other unseemly and unconstitutional uses of force by the federal government saw education and other matters put under the domain of the federal government, stripping the local and State control away.

As has been typical since early on in America, there has been reluctance and impatience to deal with matters constitutionally. Instead, skirting or ignoring the Constitution while using various means of force has been the means to bring about forced change in various matters.

Constitutional means were put in place by the Founders to bring about change, but they were put in place in a manner that such would take time and a measure of concensus. The problem being, fallen man most often is very impatient and wants their way immediately and they are willing to use illegal force, believing themselves justified because in their minds the end justifies the means, in order to force their will, their views, upon others.

[Covenanter]

From Testimony of Paul Robeson before the House Committee on Un-American Activities, June 12, 1956

Mr. SCHERER: Why do you not stay in Russia?
Mr. ROBESON: Because my father was a slave, and my people died to build this country, and I am going to stay here, and have a part of it just like you. And no Fascist-minded people will drive me from it. Is that clear? I am for peace with the Soviet Union, and I am for peace with China, and I am not for peace or friendship with the Fascist Franco, and I am not for peace with Fascist Nazi Germans. I am for peace with decent people.

John:
Constitutional means were put in place by the Founders to bring about change, but they were put in place in a manner that such would take time and a measure of concensus. The problem being, fallen man most often is very impatient and wants their way immediately and they are willing to use illegal force, believing themselves justified because in their minds the end justifies the means, in order to force their will, their views, upon others.

Don't worry, Robeson, your people will get their equality; the "Jim Crow" laws will be repealed, the KKK lynchings will be severely punished; just as soon as we have a full "measure of concensus." That of course will take time because the bigotted whites will have to agree.... now go back to your shack & sing the plantation songs.

[John81]

From Testimony of Paul Robeson before the House Committee on Un-American Activities, June 12, 1956



Don't worry, Robeson, your people will get their equality; the "Jim Crow" laws will be repealed, the KKK lynchings will be severely punished; just as soon as we have a full "measure of concensus." That of course will take time because the bigotted whites will have to agree.... now go back to your shack & sing the plantation songs.

You should really learn more about the history of this country and all the variables that go with these various aspects. The simplistic view you espouse here is nothing more than the liberal-socialist propaganda, much of which was brought about by communists.

The reality of it all is much more complex. The unwillingness of most to dig into the complexities is why most don't really understand why the American experience in these matters is so different from that of many other countries.

Let us also not forget that it's never right to do wrong regardless of the desired outcome. Were the English wrong to form a concensus to end slavery legally and peacefully?

[JerryNumbers]

Illegal, like the war to force the southern states into submission.

So it seems in America what many want is to force their will, their way, on everyone else,& Christians are the same way, even while they speak of God's grace & the free will God gives each human.

Few there be that truly respect others & their rights, they want everyone to be as them & do as them, they really sound like the publican that prayed to himself.

I would never be a member of any type of racial group that promoted their own race over every other race upon the face of this earth.

I'm for equal rights for everyone.

IN about 69 the company I was working for at that time hired a black man into a supervisors position. I knew the man & his family. He was a great fellow, a joy to talk with, & humble with his walk in life. And he climbed the ladder by doing his job, he never thought for a second that he deserved success without him doing his part. A man like that its impossible not to highly respect.

In fact I know of several black people like that, & they have done right good in life, & probably would have done even better if not for that group that always wants everything handed to them on a sliver plate without them making an effort while a certain group does nothing but keep racial troubles stirred up trying to get their people positions without them making the effort to gain that position.

In my air force days I was around several black people, lived with them, worked with them, ate with them. Only one of them thought he deserved a position be given to him, & he caused trouble where ever he went. His own people were ashamed of him & even tried to help him.

By the way, those black people I lived with, worked with, ate with, I highly respected them, & I feel they went far in life, not because of the color of their skin, but because of the kind of person they were.

But there is always going to be slackers that wants everything, yet they refuse to work for it, they want it given to them. That group of people comes in several different colors, & I cannot respect them the least bit.

[malachi777]

I'm for equal rights for everyone.

Were we created equally tho?

1 Timothy 2:11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Black people are the slaves of slaves and best segregated so that they can not curse others as told in Genesis 9:18-27

And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, [Father of Asians] and Ham, [father of blacks] and Japheth [father of Whites]: and Ham is the father of Canaan. These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

And if you think I'm wrong by judging these people

Lev 19:15 In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Edited November 25, 2011 by malachi777

[Salyan]

If you refer to the verse quoted, you'll see that Canaan was cursed, not Ham. Canaan was the father of the Canaanites - they would mostly like have been of Middle Eastern coloring - not black. There is no Biblical curse on 'black' people.

[malachi777]

If you refer to the verse quoted, you'll see that Canaan was cursed, not Ham. Canaan was the father of the Canaanites - they would mostly like have been of Middle Eastern coloring - not black. There is no Biblical curse on 'black' people.

Ham was black and therefore his son Canaan was black and like you said Canaan was cursed making black people cursed.

Even the blacks dont deny this.
http://blackhistory.tribe.net/thread/4c10200f-5a81-459a-ba77-c8f03ea434a6

[heartstrings]

The Bible says that "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is NOT WISE" . If you're "not wise" then you can only be one thing" FOOLSIH.
Noah kept drinking until he got so reeling drunk that he passed out and was "deceived thereby". When he did so, he went from being a "just man" to doing something unjust because he cursed his own grandson for something he didn't even do. He also could not have been "walking with God as he had done previously. I seriously doubt that God would supernaturally empower the curse of a backslidden, unjust man who was no longer walking with God. But any grandpa who is FOOLISH enough to curse his own grandchild for something the child didn't do, is foolsih enough to treat that grandchild unfavorably enough to make that child bitter and foolish as the grandpa is; no supernatural 'curse' needed. But if you care enough to know the truth, Canaan was the father of the "Canaanites" and they were light skinned people, not blacks. You could curse your own child or grandchild right now, sir, and it would have no supernatural effect enough to turn your kids black or make slaves out of them or their progeny till the end of time But you COULD have an effect on how they turn out by how YOU live and treat them. One terrible example of that is teaching them to be racists.

⁸But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
⁹Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

Edited November 25, 2011 by heartstrings

[malachi777]

According to the Creation Museum, Canaan and his descendants populated Africa. As far as you insuating that I'm a racist, I am most certainly not! And regardless God instructs us to judge

Leviticus 19:15 In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1 Corinthians 6:2-3 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

[heartstrings]

^Genesis10:15And Canaan begat Sidonhis first born, and Heth,
¹⁶And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite,
¹⁷And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,
¹⁸And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.
¹⁹And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.

I think you're going to find the "borders of the Canaanitea" well within the Middle East; not Africa

[John81]

Those involved with the Creation Museum are off in several areas regarding matters of race, early human habitation and even aspects dealing with certain animals of the ancient world. All too often they take a position and then bend or even create ideas and put them forth as fact for the sake of trying to validate their preconceived position. One area many are familiar with this is in regards to the biblical leviathan.

[Anon]

Hahaha. Noah's sons were all the same color! Since when has anybody had an Asian, a White, and a Black kid???? Races were formed at the Tower of Babel when God confounded the language. He got to choose who spoke what language...these groups got together and moved away, thus narrowing the gene pool of each group. Then, both external and internal attributes were given to each group of people, similar to selectively breeding new and unique breeds of dogs. God in His foreknowledge probably confounded the languages and genetics along the lines of the children of Noah...however to say that each of Noah's kids was a different color is silly. I suppose each wife was a matching color, too, to each son? Because otherwise it would have watered down those "pure" colored genetics!

And yes I do believe firmly that behemoth and leviathan were dinosaurs. The fossil record proves that dinosaurs existed, and the descriptions in the Bible, when taken literally (with no reason NOT to) describe dinosaurs very, very well.

The Bible says that God "hath made of ONE blood all nations of men, to dwell upon all the face of the earth...." We are all of one blood. The only guideline for who to marry or who NOT to marry is that we don't marry animals, we don't marry the same gender, and we don't marry a non-Christian if we are saved. Any time God restricted the Israelites not to marry someone it was because of their beliefs, not their color. Ruth was a Moabitess and she was able to be in the line of Christ because her BELIEFS changed, not her nationality. Rahab also.