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John81
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"And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Luke 24:47

Seth Doty
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Yes, we are not going to agree with you that repentance, which is a directional change of the heart, is unnecessary for true belief and salvation to occur. Like the parable of the sower which Jesus to

John81
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Saving faith requires repentance. They could be viewed as two sides of the same coin. If we don't come into agreement with God, which is an aspect of repentance, we will not be saved. There is the f

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I'm sorry about your brother SFIC, and I hope you're wrong about where he is.

You said the Bible says that no drunkard will inherit the kingdom of heaven. Do you think that a saved Christian can fall into the sin of drunkeness or it that impossible?

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A saved person can fall into sin, but a saved person will not continue in sin. The Spirit of God will convict the saved person. He will speak, and the saved person will hear.

But a saved person will not live the life of an alcoholic and die and alcoholic, no matter how much 2Tim want's to believe one can. He is only fooling himself.

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If your dad lived and died an alcoholic, he died lost and is in hell today. No drunkard shall inherit the kingdom of heaven.


The Bible says the same thing about the fearful and about liars. How many times do you have to be afraid to be fearful?

How many times do you have to lie to be a liar?
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A saved person can fall into sin, but a saved person will not continue in sin. The Spirit of God will convict the saved person. He will speak, and the saved person will hear.


Are you saying there's no chance the saved person will not just ignore the Spirit of God in this case? Is there any possibility that a saved person will just never get right?
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That's really sad that you place your trust in man and believe that your brother is in hell. My father was an alcoholic and much more. Was born an alcoholic, lived an alcoholic and died an alcoholic. Yet he was saved. He BELIEVED on the Lord Jesus Christ as his savior. Made a profession of faith. Understood that it was only through the BLOOD that he was saved and not by works. I know that God's Word is true and although he died an addict he now lives in Christ free, saved for all eternity. My faith is in the atoning BLOOD, not the works of man.


Then how come you say that one can "live as he pleases" AFTER salvation when Scripture contradicts you?

Please take the time to find the post where I said exactly that, you know, the ""live as he pleases" AFTER salvation" bit you love to state but can not quote me stating.

The above post of yours states your belief of "live as you please". You may not have said those exact words (KJV1611 did and it will take me a while to find that post...if he hasn't already edited it out) but the implication and meaning are blatantly obvious. I was married to a drunkard for almost 20 years...he, like SFIC's brother, professed Christ. He even got baptized and joined a church. However he continued in his lifestyle of drinking until he killed himself with ethanol toxicity. He died a drunk and I believe he went straight to hell. Nobody who professes Christ in saving faith will continue IN sin that grace may abound. Paul says "God forbid" (Romans 6:2)
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Are you saying there's no chance the saved person will not just ignore the Spirit of God in this case? Is there any possibility that a saved person will just never get right?
Did Jesus say "My sheep hear my voice and they might follow me?" or "My sheep hear my voice and they follow me?"

Do some research on sheep and their shepherd. You will find that when the shepherd calls the sheep, they come to him. It is the same with us. We are His people and the sheep of His pasture. When we stray, as the Shepherd He chastens and calls us and as His sheep, we hear. Edited by Standing Firm In Christ
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Did Jesus say "My sheep hear my voice and they might follow me?" or "My sheep hear my voice and they follow me?"


So you're saying that saved people will always get right at some point? They will never refuse to get right and remain in a backslidden case? How is such a thing possible without God removing a person's free will?

Do you have any other Scriptures to support this other than the above quote?
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Was Jesus a liar? He said that His sheep will follow Him.'

1 John declares that every man that has the hope of Salvation purifies himself. Does staying in sin sound like one is purifying oneself?

Those who do not obey Christ demonstrate that they are not His sheep, for His sheep hear His voice and follow.

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So God forces people to get right then?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the only way that what you're saying works is if the free will is ignored/bypassed/overcome by God.

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What happened to your brother is exactly what the Bible teaches. Sin leads to death. A Christian that continues in sin, God will chastise, and if that Christian doesnt straighten up then eventually, God will take his life. The scripture teaches there is a sin unto death. God is longsuffering though, so I believe he gives us many many chances to straighten up before "taking us home". That Christian is still just as saved as anyone else though even if they didn't straighten up.

If your brother truly trusted Christ, then God's word declares him saved. His untimely death sounds like the result of his disobedience to God, but that does not take away from the fact that he is saved if he truly believed.

To teach that a man MUST follow Christ in order to be saved is unscriptural. It is faith plus works, and ultimately leads to hell. Faith alone saves. Plus nothing, minus nothing.

And just so we don't lose track of the issue here. Repentance does not mean to turn from sin. It just means to turn. In reference to salvation it means to turn from unbelief to belief. You only WANT it to mean turn from sin so you can teach a humanistic philosophy of faith plus works for someone to get to heaven.

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You just don't get it. A drunkard cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Nothing that defiles will enter God's city.

It is obvious to me that you are trying to build your own heaven full of drunkards who professed Christ but lived in sin regardless.

Well, you can keep that heaven. But you will find out that that heaven is much hotter than the one where Jesus Christ is.

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Millions of people believe in Jesus yet they are part of some church or religion most would agree is unbiblical or outright false. Are they are saved?

If a person professes to believe in Jesus yet continues to live in sin for the next 10, 20, 30 or more years should we assure them they are saved?

Does all of Scripture which indicates when a person is saved they have repented and live a new life mean nothing?

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