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  1. I'd be up for discussing it further. I was wanting to focus on sin, iniquity, transgression, and trespass BUT this would be fun as well. What parts do you feel are being "stretched"?
  2. FIRE Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. God IS a consuming fire. It is one of his attributes. The flames of hell will literally be kindled by God's wrath. His wrath, fire, judgment, holiness, and damnation are eternal. The fire is eternal. Deut.4 [24] For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God. Heb.12 [29] For our God is a consuming fire. Num.11 [1] And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp. Deut.32 [22] For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. 2Sam.22 [7] In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears. [8] Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. [9] There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. [10] He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. [11] And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. [12] And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. [13] Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. [14] The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. [15] And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them. [16] And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils. [17] He sent from above, he took me; he drew me out of many waters; [18] He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them that hated me: for they were too strong for me. 2Kgs.22 [17] Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be kindled against this place, and shall not be quenched.
  3. GLORY & BUILDING OF GOD 2Cor.4 [16] For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. [17] For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; [18] While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2Cor.5 [1] For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. [2] For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: [3] If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. [4] For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Glory belongs to God. He shares the riches of his glory with us who are saved. Rom.9[23] And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Eph.1[7] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Eph.2[7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Eph.3[16] That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; Col.1[27] To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: We have an eternal weight of Glory in heaven. It is God's glory shared with us who are his redeemed sons. As far as "...we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens." It talks in the following verses about being "clothed" with this new house. 2Chr.6 [41] Now therefore arise, O LORD God, into thy resting place, thou, and the ark of thy strength: let thy priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation, and let thy saints rejoice in goodness. Pss.132 [9] Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy. Isa.61 [10] I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels. Rev.3 [5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Whose righteousness? Whose salvation? GOD's. If it is God's righteousness and salvation which we are clothed in, then it is eternal. God's righteousness and salvation never had a beginning nor does it have an ending. It is a part of who God is.
  4. EXCELLENCY In reference to the verses you listed: Excellency is an attribute of God. Pss.62 [1] Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. [2] He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defence; I shall not be greatly moved. [3] How long will ye imagine mischief against a man? ye shall be slain all of you: as a bowing wall shall ye be, and as a tottering fence. [4] They only consult to cast him down from his excellency: they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly. Selah. [5] My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him. [6] He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved. [7] In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God. [8] Trust in him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before him: God is a refuge for us. Selah. [9] Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie: to be laid in the balance, they are altogether lighter than vanity. [10] Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart upon them. [11] God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that power belongeth unto God. [12] Also unto thee, O Lord, belongeth mercy: for thou renderest to every man according to his work. In Psalm 62 many of God's attributes are shown. POWER belongeth unto God. God IS my salvation. IN God is my salvation. FROM HIM cometh my salvation. Salvation is FROM, IN, and IS GOD. It's all God from start to finish. FROM HIS excellency. Excellency is another attribute of God.
  5. Good points Seth as usual. I think its only fair to see both sides of the argument. The word eternal appears 47 times in the Bible. Most of the time it is in reference to "eternal life", but below is a list of the other references it makes. eternal God eternal excellency eternal life eternal damnation eternal power eternal Godhead eternal glory things which are not seen are eternal eternal building of God eternal purpose eternal salvation eternal judgment eternal redemption eternal Spirit eternal inheritance eternal fire Most of these are clearly attributes of God, and therefore must be without beginning or ending. God himself eternal God eternal Spirit eternal Godhead Attributes of God eternal excellency eternal life eternal damnation eternal power eternal glory eternal purpose eternal judgment eternal fire Attributes of God dealing with our Salvation eternal inheritance eternal salvation eternal building of God
  6. I have been talking with some others about this topic recently, and have tried studying it out some, but havent gotten as far as I would like. I thought I would post it here and see what everyone else thinks. The four words I am looking for distinct definitions for are: 1 - Sin 2 - Iniquity 3 - Transgression (of the law) 4 - Trespass Keep in mind, that I am not interested in definitions from a dictionary, or from someone's book. I am only interested in a definition that fits the scriptural usage of each word. The way you would "test" the definition is to go through the Bible and to see if every time it is used if it works. For example, 1 - Eternal 2 - Everlasting Some people would say that the words mean the same thing. BUT, in reality, they have very distinct differences. Eternal is something that has no beginning and has no ending. Everlasting is something that CAN have a beginning and has no ending. A soul is "everlasting". It was created at some point, but then goes on in one direction forever. Those who trust Christ have "everlasting life" and those who do not have everlasting death. BUT, both the lost and saved have a soul that is "everlasting". Man is not "eternal" though. Only God has no beginning and no ending. You can describe God as "everlasting" because anything that is eternal is ALSO everlasting, but the reverse is not true. Not everything that is everlasting is eternal. In order to describe an eternal God with the word everlasting, Psalm 90 says "from everlasting to everlasting". Pss.90 [2] Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. So from this point to forever in the PAST direction and from this point to forever in the FUTURE direction. From everlasting to everlasting is a way of describing an eternal God. Some will say, "But we have ETERNAL life", so man is eternal as well. Not true. John.10 [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Notice that eternal life is GIVEN. That means it is in the form of a gift. Rom.6 [23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Notice that eternal life is given THROUGH Jesus Christ. 1John.1 [2] (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) And lastly, notice that eternal life IS Jesus Christ. You receive eternal life by accepting Christ. He IS eternal life. If you HAVE Christ you HAVE eternal life. They are one and the same. Okay, so now that everyone is hopefully on the same page. It would be great to see if anyone can distinctly define the words: sin, transgression of the law, iniquity, and trespass. I have not been very successful so far in my search, so hopefully you all will do better!
  7. Haha, I assumed everyone had gotten it already! But yes, the answer is a "whale". Hope you all enjoyed the riddle. I remember the first time I heard it I really enjoyed it. Some of you may want to print it off and see if your pastors can figure it out.
  8. Haha, I think EVERYONE should have gotten it now! There have been a lot of broad hints given :icon_smile:
  9. Hey Rick, I dont think that anyone argues that soul, spirit, and body are different, but the question is HOW are they different. The soul seems to be a spiritual representation of the body. Similar to cartoons when the cat dies and you see his "ghost cat" body float away. This doesnt seem far from the truth. The rich man in Luke 16 could recognize Lazarus and Abraham by THEIR SOULS. He also had all the 5 senses of his body with his soul. One might even question whether the body actually has any senses, or if it just the soul feeling "through" the body. I believe a soul is probably more complicated than what I posted above, but that is a good start.
  10. I'll give everyone who hasn't figured it out already a little more time. I know when I'm given a riddle it haunts me until I figure it out!
  11. Looks like someone already beat me to the answer! Thanks for sharing everyone. Good stuff.
  12. Not as of yet. I'm about to goto bed though, so I may have to continue my search tomorrow. Goodnight all.
  13. 1John.5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. I think trying to understand God in human terms is impossible. For example, if you were to take a person who was blind from birth, and try to explain to them what an elephant looked like, or what the moon looked like, how would you do it? They would not know what the terms you would use to describe it with looked like either, so it would be very difficult. Now try explaining something that is heavenly to something that is earthly. Jesus spoke on this matter with Nicodemus. John. 3 [10] Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? [11] Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. [12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? How difficult would it be to describe something heavenly, when there is no easy way of comparing it to something earthly?! So if its hard to explain what something looks like to a blind person. Harder yet to explain what heavenly things are like to an earthly being. How much MORE difficult to explain GOD almighty to us mere mortals using earthly terms? The scripture tells us much about what God is like, so we can at least glimpse a part of Him. We cannot see his full glory right now though. The soul and the spirit are both "heavenly" you could say, so they too, are not easily understood. Heb.4 [12] For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. The way the Bible says "even" implies that it is very very very difficult to divide the soul and the spirit, but the word of God can. It is THAT sharp. How difficult though for us humans to divide the two with our puny brains! I am not saying that we cannot determine the differences between soul and spirit, but I am saying that it is not an easy thing to do. I've yet to read or hear of a really good scriptural explanation of the two. I've done some studying on it myself and have come up with some ideas, but nothing as of yet that I would like to share.
  14. I've seen the dog on youtube. Pretty funny lol. I always wonder what my dog would say to me if it could talk.
  15. For those of you who have never seen this before, I thought it would be fun to share. Please keep the answer to yourself if you know it, so that others can take some time to think it over. If you know the answer, just type. "Got it" as a response to the thread. After a day or so has went by I'll share the answer with everyone who hasn't figured it out by then. This riddle was written by a lady in California in response to an offer from a gentleman in Philadelphia, that he would pay anyone $1,000 who could write a puzzle he could not solve. He failed to solve it and paid the money. Adam, God made out of dust, But thought it best to make me first, So I was made before now, To answer God's most holy plan, A living being I became, And Adam gave to me my name, I from his presence then withdrew, And more of Adam I never knew. I did my Maker's law obey, Nor never went from it astray, Thousands of miles I go in fear, But seldom on earth appear, For purpose wise which God did see, He put a living soul in me, A soul from me God did claim, And took from me the soul had fled, I was the same as when first made, And without hands or feet or soul, I travel on from pole to pole, I labor hard by day, by night, To fallen man I give great light, Thousands of people, young and old, Will by my death great light behold, No right or wrong can I conceive, The Scripture I cannot believe Although my name therein is found, They are to me an empty sound, No fear of death doth trouble me, Real happiness I'll never see, To Heaven I shall never go, or to Hell below. Now when these lines you slowly read Go search your Bible with all speed, For that my name is written there, I do honestly to you declare, "The answer is ONE word.
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