Online Baptist Straw Poll #1 - Winner "Herman Cain"

[Guest]

Much of it has to do with voters being so lazy, and the fact virtually anyone can vote. With this being the case, it's easier to win an election by flooding the media with slick commercials with catchy sound bites than to actually put forth substance.

Several times during the last presidential election cycle Fox News had reporters asking Obama supporters why they were planning to vote for him. Virtually all their answers were emotion based. When asked about what policies of his they liked they had no answer or gave a lame "all of them" response. On a few occasions the reporter told them a position that a candidate held and then asked them if that's was Obama's or McCain's position and none could answer.

This is part of the reason the Founders wanted a Republic and not a democracy. They knew what happens when the masses are allowed to vote.

Ditto...its mostly about the laziness of the people to become informed and make choices not based on greed.

[John81]

Ditto...its mostly about the laziness of the people to become informed and make choices not based on greed.

Along these lines I've thought it ironic that liberals and others like to call the era of Reagan the "decade of greed" yet it was the bulk of voters for Clinton who cast their ballot for him based upon their belief he would keep and put more money into their pockets.

[John81]

Even just among us on OB the vote is not only split, it's splintered to the point not a single candidate stands strong. This, in part, is what happened last go around and we got stuck with lame McCain.

[Wilchbla]

Won't matter anyway. Obama will win by a landslide.

[John81]

Won't matter anyway. Obama will win by a landslide.

He certainly will if the Republicans are unable, or unwilling, to put forth a worthy challenger.

[BlessedChristianlady8]

Newt Gingridge? LOL I can't wait until the elections

[farouk]

Umm...I've never heard of some of those guys....

[Pastor Matt]

Won't matter anyway. Obama will win by a landslide.

Does not mean I am going to stay home and not vote.

[John81]

Does not mean I am going to stay home and not vote.

Many will if a solid GOP candidate isn't on the ballot.

[John81]

If primary voting patterns follow a similar trend as this poll, the GOP is in trouble and Obama will probably pull off a comfortable victory for a second term.

[swathdiver]

Why aren't any IFB running? The list is mostly made up of Modern-Charismatics, cultists and a couple practicing popery including Gingrich. Is it any wonder that America is in trouble?

[HappyChristian]

Cain is a Baptist.

[John81]

Cain is a Baptist.

I wish it were not necessary to ask this, but what kind and what does that mean in his life?

[HappyChristian]

I wish it were not necessary to ask this, but what kind and what does that mean in his life?

Well, he used to be associated with Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta. I say used to because I don't know if he still is (most likely he is). Here's the link: http://www.antiochnorth.org/antiochnorth.htm It's obviously not IFB, but they are clear about salvation. I've heard him say things about the Lord, but I couldn't swear to what it means in his life. I'm sure if someone wrote to him and asked him, he would say.

One thing is for sure: people cannot claim to want the Constitution followed and then put a religious requirement on their candidate. By that I do not mean that we should vote for an immoral person (and I don't believe our founders ever intended or wanted immorality in office).

Yes, often we are presented with someone who is not our ideal...but, truthfully, your ideal (generically speaking, not pointing to anyone in particular) would not be my ideal for one reason or another. Sometimes those reasons are sound, sometimes they are simply opinions. However, we need to understand one very real thing. Our Constitution was designed by the founders to be a guide under which freedom would rein supreme in this country. That freedom includes the freedom to be a witness for Christ. And, they placed the no religion requirement in there because they knew that, if the Constitution were followed, there would be no attempt to stop that freedom.

Several of the current candidates are not ideal if we put that religious test upon them. However, their support for, belief in, and desire to adhere to the Constitution is an aspect we need to seriously consider. There will not be an IFB elected to the White House. Simply because IFB is not in the majority. It just will not happen. But - and this is vital to understand - if a Constitutionalist is elected, and if they are also elected to Congress (at least for the majority), we will have the freedom to continue to tell others of Christ.

If, however, we choose to step out of the voting process (and it is everyone's right to choose) based on if the candidate is IFB, we will rue the day. Case in point: Barack Obama. (please note: I am not saying McCain would have been better...he wouldn't have plunged us down quite so quickly, but he wasn't the answer, either!)

[John81]

Well, he used to be associated with Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta. I say used to because I don't know if he still is (most likely he is). Here's the link: http://www.antiochno...ntiochnorth.htm It's obviously not IFB, but they are clear about salvation. I've heard him say things about the Lord, but I couldn't swear to what it means in his life. I'm sure if someone wrote to him and asked him, he would say.

One thing is for sure: people cannot claim to want the Constitution followed and then put a religious requirement on their candidate. By that I do not mean that we should vote for an immoral person (and I don't believe our founders ever intended or wanted immorality in office).

Yes, often we are presented with someone who is not our ideal...but, truthfully, your ideal (generically speaking, not pointing to anyone in particular) would not be my ideal for one reason or another. Sometimes those reasons are sound, sometimes they are simply opinions. However, we need to understand one very real thing. Our Constitution was designed by the founders to be a guide under which freedom would rein supreme in this country. That freedom includes the freedom to be a witness for Christ. And, they placed the no religion requirement in there because they knew that, if the Constitution were followed, there would be no attempt to stop that freedom.

Several of the current candidates are not ideal if we put that religious test upon them. However, their support for, belief in, and desire to adhere to the Constitution is an aspect we need to seriously consider. There will not be an IFB elected to the White House. Simply because IFB is not in the majority. It just will not happen. But - and this is vital to understand - if a Constitutionalist is elected, and if they are also elected to Congress (at least for the majority), we will have the freedom to continue to tell others of Christ.

If, however, we choose to step out of the voting process (and it is everyone's right to choose) based on if the candidate is IFB, we will rue the day. Case in point: Barack Obama. (please note: I am not saying McCain would have been better...he wouldn't have plunged us down quite so quickly, but he wasn't the answer, either!)

I'm finding it difficult to find anything meaningful about most of the candidates. It's as if they are purposefully hiding more than they are revealing.

We probably each have some sort of "litmus test" to one extent or another and you are correct that such would be different for many.

I only asked about his being a Baptist because the title means so little anymore, after all, Carter and Clinton were Baptists.

One thing I look at with regards to a candidates religion is what exactly their branch of their religion teaches. If it teaches something way out there and they follow it, then that says a lot about their judgement. I also look to see how seriously they take their religion. Is it just something they claim to be or something they really are. Then I consider how that might effect other areas of their lives and might effect their presidency.

No doubt, we won't see an Apostle Paul on the ballot, and while a few might look for such, most don't and neither do I.

One candidate I really learned a lot about by checking into their religious background and beliefs was Hillary Clinton. Wow, one could just see all the pieces of the puzzle coming together and how her life was so radically changed by a liberal Methodist youth pastor.