Jacob's trouble

[Invicta]

In the midst of a prophetic week and in the midst of a natural week.

[Wilchbla]

If you really read Daniel 9 without any pre conceived ideas, you would not have posted that.


The clock did not stop ticking 62+7 = 69. Messiah was cut off after 69 weeks. Q. What comes after 69? A. 70. Christ was cut off in the 70th week, "In the midst of the week."

In the midst of what week? A "week" is a period of seven years. If Christ was cut of in the midst of the week that leaves 3 1/2 years left over. Your math is way off. The next 3 1/2 years wouldn't have led to 70AD but more like 40 AD at the latest.

[Invicta]

In the midst of what week? A "week" is a period of seven years. If Christ was cut of in the midst of the week that leaves 3 1/2 years left over. Your math is way off. The next 3 1/2 years wouldn't have led to 70AD but more like 40 AD at the latest.

In the midst of the week of Christ's ministry to the Jews, firstly his personal ministry, the second 3½ years in the apostles ministry to the Jews until the stoning of Stephen when he declared the Jews uncircumcised and the conversion of the Ethiopian and then Cornelius, when the gospel was opened up to the Gentiles.

[Eric Stahl]

The time of Jacob's trouble is complete when the time of the Gentiles is complete and the tribulation is complete and Jesus comes to rule the earth.

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Acts 2:14-17 Last days started after the resurrection and Jesus ascended so the comforter could come.

[Invicta]

The time of Jacob's trouble is complete when the time of the Gentiles is complete and the tribulation is complete and Jesus comes to rule the earth.

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Acts 2:14-17 Last days started after the resurrection and Jesus ascended so the comforter could come.

The last days were began with the return from Exile under Cyrus and ended when the church was opened to the Gentiles and the Jewish economy efectively ended,

[Eric Stahl]

Posted Yesterday, 04:40 PM
file:///Users/ERIC/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems/msoclip/0clip_image002.pngEric Stahl, on 05 December 2011 - 07:15 AM, said:
The time of Jacob's trouble is complete when the time of the Gentiles is complete and the tribulation is complete and Jesus comes to rule the earth.

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Acts 2:14-17 Last days started after the resurrection and Jesus ascended so the comforter could come.

Invicta "The last days were began with the return from Exile under Cyrus and ended when the church was opened to the Gentiles and the Jewish economy efectively ended,"

Invicta do you have any scripture to show me why you believe this?

Edited December 11, 2011 by Eric Stahl

[LindaR]

We are now living in the "last days". The "last days" is the period of time preceding and including the seven year Tribulation period, the time of Jacob's trouble (the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation period - Jeremiah 30:7), and the Second Coming of Christ to set up His earthly rule for 1,000 years in Jerusalem. The "last days" are the same as the "latter days/times". The "last days" began with the Apostles:

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Edited January 14, 2012 by LindaR

[Covenanter]

We are now living in the "last days".
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The "last days" are the same as the "latter days/times". The "last days" began with the Apostles:

Good point, Linda. Too many people think the "last days" are a special period immediately before Christ's return that can be identified by signs.

Sadly they never give up.

[John81]

Good point, Linda. Too many people think the "last days" are a special period immediately before Christ's return that can be identified by signs.

Sadly they never give up.

Amen!

[LindaR]

The entire 24th and 25th chapters of Matthew (the Olivet Discourse) speak about the Tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble and the Second Coming of Christ to the earth to set up His earthly 1,000 year reign in Jerusalem. There are many identifying "signs" immediately preceding the Second Coming in those two chapters....and the Church is not even mentioned anywhere in that Olivet Discourse.

Covenanter...why didn't you copy my entire quote?

Edited January 14, 2012 by LindaR

[John81]

The entire 24th and 25th chapters of Matthew (the Olivet Discourse) speak about the Tribulation, the time of Jacob's trouble and the Second Coming of Christ to the earth to set up His earthly 1,000 year reign in Jerusalem. There are many identifying "signs" immediately preceding the Second Coming in those two chapters....and the Church is not even mentioned anywhere in that Olivet Discourse.

I wouldn't say the "enitre" Olivent Discourse speaks of these things. Some of what Jesus says here is referring to things the disciples would see in their lifetime, such as the destruction of Jerusalem. The disciples asked several questions, some relating to their contemporary times, some to more future things. Jesus answered both types of questions in this Olivet Discourse.

With regards to the last days, Scripture indicates the last days began after Christ ascended to heaven and we can't know the actual time of the end.

The time of Christ's second coming is said to unable to be known, that it will occur suddenly and unexpectedly. The ambiguity of when Christ will return is why nearly every generation of Christians have thought Christ would come in their time and most thought they saw indications, or signs, that Jesus was likely to return in their day.

If there are more specific signs which means we can much more closely determine when Christ will return that means His return couldn't have been seen as immiment prior to these signs being seen.

[Eric Stahl]

The time of Christ's appearing spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 has always been possible at any time, but the second coming of Christ will be at the end of the tribulation.

[Invicta]

The time of Christ's appearing spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 has always been possible at any time, but the second coming of Christ will be at the end of the tribulation.

Christ's appearing and second coming are one and the same event.

[Eric Stahl]

Christ's appearing and second coming are one and the same event.

We don't agree on that but we will both go to heaven.

[Brother Rick]

Christ's appearing and second coming are one and the same event.

Past or future?