The Benefits of Government-run Healthcare

[John81]

Its just annoying when people assume, since I factually realize healthcare is not a God-given right, that I have no compassion nor do I help people....

It IS possible to realize my rights but at the same time do what I personally can to help others.

That's just like...I don't think the government should buy people free houses...but do I feel sorry for someone who doesn't have a house? Yeah. Would I try to help someone who was about to lose their house? Yeah, if I could.... do I still think the government should buy them a house? NO.

Liberalism has permeated so much in America that unless one speaks the appropriate liberal dogma on certain topics they are considered to be "harsh, mean-spirited, uncaring". That's why GW Bush came up with the idea of "compassionate conservatism". It was a defensive term attempting to deflect attacks. Of course, with the liberal dominated establishment it didn't work; but that's another story.

Indeed Suzy, I care about the plight of the poor and needy. We donate to help some of these folks. However, there is no governmental (nor even Scriptural) "right" to governmental supply of food, medical care, housing, etc.

As you may know, many of the prOBlems we currently face today with regards to the poor and needy stem right back to government interference (in areas where they have no constitutional authority) which have limited available housing and the ability of individuals and charities to help and care for the needy. More government is not the answer. Reagan had it right when he said government isn't the answer, it's the prOBlem.

[Anon]

Here's the thing with medical care...

In the old days the doctor came to your house...he did what he could for you...and you either lived or died. The family paid the doctor in whatever way they agreed. If they could not afford it, sometimes they'd barter or a family member would pay. Some people knew they could not afford a doctor so they just didn't call him. OR the doctor could choose to perform some charity work.

Now people have found amazing ways to keep people alive longer...and its great...but somehow now everybody has lost that "I'll pay the doc and have him come help you" and now says "If the technology is there, I have the RIGHT to have it, and I don't care who pays for it but it won't be me." Who is to say that just because the technology is there means we HAVE to have it???

[John81]

Here's the thing with medical care...

In the old days the doctor came to your house...he did what he could for you...and you either lived or died. The family paid the doctor in whatever way they agreed. If they could not afford it, sometimes they'd barter or a family member would pay. Some people knew they could not afford a doctor so they just didn't call him. OR the doctor could choose to perform some charity work.

Now people have found amazing ways to keep people alive longer...and its great...but somehow now everybody has lost that "I'll pay the doc and have him come help you" and now says "If the technology is there, I have the RIGHT to have it, and I don't care who pays for it but it won't be me." Who is to say that just because the technology is there means we HAVE to have it???

I fully agree. Remember some years ago the government started a program to provide free computers to "minorities" because it was their "right" not to be deprived of something all us rich white folks have:icon_rolleyes:

The masses have bought into the idea that if the government provides it then it's "free". Many have no real concept of the fact that other people paying taxes is where the government money comes from (that and the government going further into debt so other peoples children and grandchildren can be burdened with providing their "free" stuff). Those who do understand that others are paying don't care, many actually believe it's their duty to provide them with "free" stuff.

Sure, it would be nice if everyone could have excellent health care. However, the fact is that all aspects of health care cost money and that money has to come from somewhere.

[His by Grace]

I posted what I know His Word say's on this topic. In return I will stand on His Word yet I have learned when it come's down to families and their live's many Christian's are going to make the chioce to live in what I call "the shark world." Everyone for themselves! If you can purchase the care it's your's! I do not agree with socialized medicine. I want all of OBama's family and every Senator along with family of course, to be required to be in this Medical Program recieving the exact same care as EVERYONE ELSE!! My father would say," it's alway's best when everyone has alittle skin in the game." Actually, none of you that have posted really grasp what the reprucussuion's will be if this medical bill passes. The well off will recieve their medical care elsewhere! Already "many from the "shark world" have plan's for surgery, maintance (meaning life-systaining) treatment's to be given on yacht's in international waters. All legal!! You must be able to afford the care of course! The other option is to move to another country. I already know this plan so well I can tell you what country based on your prOBlem organ. I will not comment on this topic anymore. I'm finished! When I hear Christian men saying that it is up for us to each take care of their own family...period! I have alway's believed in not recieving special treatment because the world I descend you would label "privileged". After these post, if this bill passes and my life-systaining treatment's are threatened, I will allow all help my birth-right provide's. We're basically going to a health system based on who can pay. Medical treatment not my "right" but a "privilege" then I'll go with that "privilege." This is how thing's have been for years in most countiries with socialized medicine. People don't feel all fuzzy and thankful for the medical care that is past out...the one's ie. from Germany -only one example- that need care but realize they won't make it thru the waiting list etc (there are a multitude of reason's) have chosen to come here for treatment. Many have built home's for Holiday when it is a long term medical treatment. Where will you build your Holiday home to recieve medical treatment? I would remove myself from life-sustaining treatment on public T.V as a Documentary on OBama's Medical Plan before I would ever inable this New Medical Plan to deny me care. A gentlemen speaking of people being soildier's for Christ just recently stated, if your not in the battle their will be no blood shed in your church and hence he said then he would be concerned about the walk of those men in that church. This is where I am on Medical Care. If I see no wound's or blood shed your not a soilder that stand's for what being in His family and loving in His Spirit with His Love, one who does His will. Mark it up now, are you wheat or tares? They all look alike and sway in the wind together and turn to the Son for warmth and care together until He threshes for fruit and the wheat will bare wheat and the tares nothing! Better to know what you are now then wait to find out then! Medical treatment is only a "Luxury" when we make it avaliable to ONLY the well to do. I don't play by "who has the the most green rectangle's' recieves medical care." Only when we play this game does it becaome a "Luxury." I have 'unalienable right's' I was given BY THE LORD!! Not by any man and I belong to the LORD not the highest bidder! These are food, shelter, right to defend life and property, medical care avaliable and recognized because our God allowed them to be revealed to us by His given talent's, to own the KJ BIble without fear, Steet Peaching to the KKK- all fool's still have the right to share their uneduated opinion's- without fear of reprecussion's . Called Free Speech! We even have the right to OBey the law or not understanding their are consequence's to our action's. I even stand on the right of someone wanting to perform a crime driving all the way to Texas to do so!! You may so strongly disagree with this post your mad and you have the right to stomp around and verbally get those feelings off your chest. I also have the right to reply with I said my peace now say your's. Whatever happen's...I'm on the LORD"S side and I will Trust in His way's only because sadly I've learned who shot's their own first many time's...May the LORD help us!!! In Christ, His by Grace

[Anon]

Not mad...just don't agree with socialism. haha. And "everybody gets the same care" is socialism...and its also a mirage...an impossibility.

[Revelation3:20]

Medical treatment is only a "Luxury" when we make it avaliable to ONLY the well to do. I don't play by "who has the the most green rectangle's' recieves medical care." Only when we play this game does it becaome a "Luxury." I have 'unalienable right's' I was given BY THE LORD!! Not by any man and I belong to the LORD not the highest bidder! These are food, shelter, right to defend life and property, medical care avaliable and recognized because our God allowed them to be revealed to us by His given talent's, to own the KJ BIble without fear, Steet Peaching to the KKK- all fool's still have the right to share their uneduated opinion's- without fear of reprecussion's.

Just wondering where you get the idea that medical care is a "unalienable right" given by the Lord? You are not going to find that in the bible. You will find lazarus outside the rich mans gate full of sores, but not much in the way of health care as a right. Biblically a believer has relatively few God given unalienable rights in this life, those that we do have are granted only because of our relationship with Christ and they are spiritual rights such as access to the father.

[John81]

Healthcare is not a right promised in Scripture. We are promised that as Believers we will suffer persecution and we are told that all will suffer from the effects of the curse; including sickness and death.

It would be nice if todays Christians were filled with the love of Christ to the point where they cared for one another as we see in the early church. However, even then we must recognize that nothing comes for free and not all medical means would be affordable at all times and in all places.

Our ultimate reliance must be upon the Lord. We are to take everything to the Lord in prayer. Our God, as Scripture declares, is able to provide for us far beyond what we are even capable of thinking or asking. If it's the Lord's will He can provide anyone with the resources to receive any kind of medical care; he can send any sickness He wishes into remission or heal it outright or he can strengthen us for the bout. Or, for reasons we may not be able to know, His will may be for us to go through something and even to die of whatever it is we may be afflicted with.

This life is but a temporary blip in eternity. Death is graduation to heaven where we may ever be with the Lord. As Paul tells us in the New Testament, none of the things we suffer in this life even compare to the greatness of what Christ has in store for us in heaven.

Yes, it's terrible to see others suffer, it can be so difficult on many levels when we ourselves suffer illness, but these occur for a reason. We can trust God that all things will work out for good; we can trust God that He will not put anything upon us that we can't handle. We can trust that if our life comes to an end that we will be with Christ.

[Invicta]

Surely health insurance is just the same thing? The only different system would be to have no health care, no health insurance, no health clubs and everyone pays as the needs be, if he can.

[Anon]

Health insurance is NOT the same thing. You are voluntarily paying into a pot where everyone else is voluntarily paying into it. Then the insurance voluntarily pays for your care, as well as you often pay part out of your own pocket. It is self-responsible.

Government health care takes involuntary taxes out of others pockets and pays for people's health care...and if it becomes socialized the gov't also gains the right to tell everyone what to eat, what not to eat, what to do, where to go, etc...health-wise.

I will say in India they have inexpensive health care and you walk in (no appointments) and you pay out of pocket reasonable prices. Its a pretty good thing, I think.

[JerryNumbers]

Are we to do as the rich man, ignored the needs of Lazarus who was sick?

[Anon]

The rich man should have fed Lazarus but nowhere in the Bible is it shown he has the responsibility to pay for a doctor. Paul did not pay for Timothy to get a doctor for his stomach, he just suggested wine.

By the way Jerrynumbers...my sister has very little insurance right now and she just found out her daughter needs some expensive specialist visits for her legs and feet which are having some orthopedic prOBlems. She prOBably needs pricey inserts for her shoes. We cannot afford to help her, as we are already paying quite a bit for medicine for my son with chronic urticaria. Can I give her your number? :-)

[Revelation3:20]

Are we to do as the rich man, ignored the needs of Lazarus who was sick?

Individual charity should not be confused with government "charity". One is a good and honorable thing, the other takes money out of the hands of individuals whether they like it or not, wastes much of the money in bureaucracy, and deposits much of the rest in the pockets of the friends and supporters of government officials who control the purse strings. The government has no business in health care. If they get involved it will increase government power, government corruption, and make health care political.

[JerryNumbers]

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[Anon]

Can I send my sister your number Jerry? You didn't reply to that one. hee hee.

[JerryNumbers]

There are places to buy inserts that are not so pricy, my wife has done it, for we could not afford the ones her doctor sold, in fact her doctor told her about them. Saved many dollars. Try Walmart, Fred's, and a Dollar Store. They work great, and gave her much needed relief.

So you disagree with Luke 10:33-37, it even stresses the one thing than has been brought out in this topic, he had compassion, which the rich man did not.

But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him.