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What's wrong with the term "the Christ?" It's not a name...it's a title...The Messiah...How could it be pagan? I tried googling it to no avail, so maybe you have an explanation or some links?

But it seems you also condemn our beloved King James Version:

Mat. 16:16, 20; 26:63; Mark 8:29; 14:61; Luke 3:15; 9:20; 22:67; John 1:20, 41; 3:28; 4:29, 42; 7:41; 10:24; 11:27; 20:31; 1Jn. 2:22; 5:1.

Gotta prove this stuff rather than assert it..."The Christ" is a Christian, biblical term.

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Look at the context of each of those verses - then look at the context of the verses that are changed. Yes, the word Christ means Messiah. New Agers use the term "the Christ" to refer to their one-world leader who is to come, also to refer to a higher consciousness. Some MVs make a disctinction between Jesus and the Christ - otherwise implying that Jesus is not the Messiah, but that He also was influenced by the Christ spirit.

Read this one, in light of how that term is used:

Matthew 23:8 But you, do not be called "Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.

The Christ is the One who is our teacher.

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As an ex-pagan, you should very much be aware of what the terms the Christ and the One mean. They don't magically change meanings because someone put them inside a "Bible".


As an Ex-Pagan, I think I may have a better idea of how they are used, yes.
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Look at the context of each of those verses - then look at the context of the verses that are changed. Yes, the word Christ means Messiah. New Agers use the term "the Christ" to refer to their one-world leader who is to come, also to refer to a higher consciousness. Some MVs make a disctinction between Jesus and the Christ - otherwise implying that Jesus is not the Messiah, but that He also was influenced by the Christ spirit.

Read this one, in light of how that term is used:

Matthew 23:8 But you, do not be called "Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.

The Christ is the One who is our teacher.


And I see nothing occultic in the above.
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Nothing occultic? Since when has The One been a name for the God of the Bible? It isn't and it hasn't been. It is taken a New Age and pagan term and inserting it into the Bible. Putting the term Christ with the One changes the meaning of who is being referred to. The One is not God. To New Agers and heathens, it is a pagan god; to Luciferians, it is a reference to Lucifer himself.

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Look at the context of each of those verses - then look at the context of the verses that are changed. Yes, the word Christ means Messiah. New Agers use the term "the Christ" to refer to their one-world leader who is to come, also to refer to a higher consciousness. Some MVs make a disctinction between Jesus and the Christ - otherwise implying that Jesus is not the Messiah, but that He also was influenced by the Christ spirit.


Matthew 16:16 - And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. (KJV)

:dunno: :duh
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Those verses say "one" in the KJV as well. The only difference is that they are not capitalized. My thinking is just that it would be the same as when the Bible uses "him" in reference to God whereas most Christians today capitalize "Him" when it is referring to Christ. I don't think the pagan argument is a fair one.

*disclaimer* I am not promoting the NKJV. :wink

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The difference is they are making it into a name, rather than a pronoun - this can be seen especially in the verses where they say "the One."

The context of some verses would demand the definite article (the) before Christ - others do not.

Funny, how if Eugene Petersen takes and uses these terms in his New Age "The Message" Bible, everyone can see it, but if these terms are used in other Bible versions, such as the NASV or the NKJV, somehow they can't.

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The difference is they are making it into a name, rather than a pronoun - this can be seen especially in the verses where they say "the One."

The context of some verses would demand the definite article (the) before Christ - others do not.

Funny, how if Eugene Petersen takes and uses these terms in his New Age "The Message" Bible, everyone can see it, but if these terms are used in other Bible versions, such as the NASV or the NKJV, somehow they can't.


Can you please explain to me how the context of the NKJV Matthew 23:8's usage of "the Christ" differs from the 19 times "the Christ" is used in the KJV? Thanks in advance!

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For One is your teacher, the Christ.

The One is your teacher - which is the Christ.

Perhaps you should study out how the New Age uses these terms, and how they use them together, to see why it raises red flags for me.

It's like someone watching The Passion of the Christ and saying it is a wonderful movie and they see nothing wrong with it - they don't see any blatant Catholicism in it - when at the same time they don't have much knowledge of Catholicism, and therefore couldn't see it if they wanted to. The same goes here - having more knowledge of the New Age movement and their teachings, I can see some of it in certain phrases and passages of some of the MVs - whereas someone who hasn't studied it out doesn't have a clue.

All I am doing is running around in circles and not doing a very good job explaining myself, so I will leave it at that. If anyone has any links to MVs and their use of New Age terminology, including the few terms I pointed out in this thread, please post them here. Thanks.

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I know a little about New Age movement and their teachings. Here is an example. But how does the NKJV's Matthew 23:8 have occultic overtones? I can't make the distinction. Thanks!


http://www.share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_main.htm
Who is Maitreya?
He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. Christians know him as the Christ, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; Buddhists expect him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the Imam Mahdi or Messiah.
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I know a little about New Age movement and their teachings. Here is an example. But how does the NKJV's Matthew 23:8 have occultic overtones? I can't make the distinction. Thanks!



Sounds more like the anti-christ.

"At this time of great political, economic and social crisis Maitreya will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and global cooperation."

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