The Baptist and the LGBTQ Movement

[TheGloryLand]

Baptist church becoming gay, the weak link. 

 

[Jerry]

Again with the Baptists this and the Baptists that. ALL kinds of churches in the endtimes are wandering further and further from the truth. IFB's are probably one of the ones that are overall less wandering - though certainly there are many individual Baptist churches (yes, even ones that call themselves IFB's) and even conventions that are turning from the truth. That is a sign of the times. Historically, Baptists (and IFB's) have been closest to the truth. Free Presbyterians are a close second (from what I can tell by my research).

But apostasy and compromise can be found across all professing "Christendom." YET, there are many IFBs that have not and will not compromise - don't paint all Baptist (and especially Independent Fundamental Baptists) with the same broad apostate compromising brush. It is just not true to life or the Scriptures. Though the majority of the churches today are like Laodicea - churches of ALL KINDS - there are still faithful ones that are like Philadelphia and Smyrna, or anywhere along the spectrum shown by the seven churches in Revelation 2-3.

[BrotherTony]

Morales, when are you going to stop with the blanket statements that make no sense? All denominations are going through this right now. My request...get real and stop bashing what you say you allegedly are...Christian and Baptist. 

[SureWord]

IFBers don't have time to get caught up in this filth. We are too busy fighting over Christmas trees, Easter eggs and pants on women.

[TheGloryLand]

14 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

Morales, when are you going to stop with the blanket statements that make no sense? All denominations are going through this right now. My request...get real and stop bashing what you say you allegedly are...Christian and Baptist. 

BT all are talking about it, but SBC are taking the first step in my opinion. We’re you a painter in your younger year’s. Wide Brush….   : )

[BrotherTony]

2 minutes ago, E Morales said:

BT all are talking about it, but SBC are taking the first step in my opinion. We’re you a painter in your younger year’s. Wide Brush….   : )

Deflecting isn't your strong suit, brother. I never paint with the wide brush, but you seem to be incapable of doing anything but...thus all the people quesitoning your judgement. I don't see where many are talking positively about it...they're preaching against it...and the SBC is doing just a much preaching against it as the IFB churches are. 

[TheGloryLand]

2 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Deflecting isn't your strong suit, brother. I never paint with the wide brush, but you seem to be incapable of doing anything but...thus all the people quesitoning your judgement. I don't see where many are talking positively about it...they're preaching against it...and the SBC is doing just a much preaching against it as the IFB churches are. 

Good to hear this, that many are against it. They will be selling out, to gain more members.They will grow in numbers but will be lost. 

[BrotherTony]

3 minutes ago, E Morales said:

Good to hear this, that many are against it. They will be selling out, to gain more members.They will grow in numbers but will be lost. 

There you go again painting with a wide brush....and making blanket statements. Prove they'll be selling out, please! The Bible tells us that the "gates of hell" won't prevail against the church, yet, you seem determined to lay the church down. Whose side are you on? 

[TheGloryLand]

3 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

There you go again painting with a wide brush....and making blanket statements. Prove they'll be selling out, please! The Bible tells us that the "gates of hell" won't prevail against the church, yet, you seem determined to lay the church down. Whose side are you on? 

Sin will have its season, for a short time. The church will prevail my wide brush friend. BT you are to jumpy 

[BrotherTony]

9 hours ago, E Morales said:

Sin will have its season, for a short time. The church will prevail my wide brush friend. BT you are to jumpy 

More deflection and avoidance and accusations towards others to avoid answering why you are attacking what you say you are...Christian and Baptist. It's not becoming...it's not Christian...and it's NOT good. I'm FAR from painting with a wide brush...and the continued accusations from you towards me aren't helping your cause. We want to know why you're consistantly attacking Christianity and Baptists when you say you are both of these things. This isn't the attitude of someone who knows the Lord.

[TheGloryLand]

1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

More deflection and avoidance and accusations towards others to avoid answering why you are attacking what you say you are...Christian and Baptist. It's not becoming...it's not Christian...and it's NOT good. I'm FAR from painting with a wide brush...and the continued accusations from you towards me aren't helping your cause. We want to know why you're consistantly attacking Christianity and Baptists when you say you are both of these things. This isn't the attitude of someone who knows the Lord.

BT, yes I am a Baptist independent Baptist. I support our ministries and yes, I talked about Baptist because this is a Baptist forum. By the way you are a Southern Baptist, why are you posting here on a independent Baptist form, just checking. I believe there’s much to learn, and I believe that there are areas where we can improve. If I say we need to do or have the Lord supper more than once a year this is in my opinion. I’m not talking about any Baptist Church. Sometimes we get stuck in our old ways. I believe we can update and keep up, without changing the Word. Like many good Baptist preachers today, using many versions of the Bible. I don’t agree with a pastor that does this, if he want it do it on his own studies, that’s fine. But don’t enforce it to the members. How many versions of the Bible you use in your preaching BT.

[BrotherTony]

38 minutes ago, E Morales said:

BT, yes I am a Baptist independent Baptist. I support our ministries and yes, I talked about Baptist because this is a Baptist forum. By the way you are a Southern Baptist, why are you posting here on a independent Baptist form, just checking.

I'm a member of a SBC church..that doesn't make me any less IFB than anyone else here, especially since each SBC church is an autonomous church without a link to a hierarchy...maybe you should better educate yourself on what SBC churches are and aren't before you start with garbage like this. I've seen it far too many times. Maybe you should take what you say you believe in the next sentence..."I believe there's much to learn" and do so. Educating ones self isn't usually a bad thing. 

I believe there’s much to learn, and I believe that there are areas where we can improve. If I say we need to do or have the Lord supper more than once a year this is in my opinion. I’m not talking about any Baptist Church. Sometimes we get stuck in our old ways. I believe we can update and keep up, without changing the Word. Like many good Baptist preachers today, using many versions of the Bible. I don’t agree with a pastor that does this, if he want it do it on his own studies, that’s fine.

None of these things have anything to do with the OP.....It doesn't help your cause to keep introducing new subject matter off topic to avoid being questioned. It's just more deflection. 

But don’t enforce it to the members. How many versions of the Bible you use in your preaching BT.

I've answered this question several times on these forums....I use only the KJV in my preaching, and will continue to do so I'm KJV PREFERRED, not ONLY as some others here are. I don't try to limit what God can and cannot use in other people's lives, including translations of the Bible, as I have learned from several of the other translations over the years. Beside, that is neither here nor there when trying to keep in context of this thread....maybe we should be getting back to it, Morales. Rabbit trails aren't a good thing.

[1Timothy115]

I will look further into this. It has been a long time since I studied about the SBC. But, here is a statement from their official website...

"Has a faith and practice which closely identifies with the Convention’s adopted statement of faith. (By way of example, churches which act to affirm, approve, or endorse homosexual behavior would be deemed not to be in cooperation with the Convention.)"

[BrotherTony]

1 hour ago, 1Timothy115 said:

I will look further into this. It has been a long time since I studied about the SBC. But, here is a statement from their official website...

"Has a faith and practice which closely identifies with the Convention’s adopted statement of faith. (By way of example, churches which act to affirm, approve, or endorse homosexual behavior would be deemed not to be in cooperation with the Convention.)"

Thankfully, I don't have to "study about it." I'm in it. I don't agree with everything they do, but I know that churches who have signed onto the 2000 version of the agreement won't be promoting homosexuality in any way shape or fashion without being booted out of fellowship and participation in the cooperative program for missions. There's nothing to stop themselves from calling themselves SBC, but the aren't.