Becoming a non-denominational preacher

[Behold]

21 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

 

 

 I believe most here ARE "real Baptists." 

 

 

You mean they are all a part of a denomination.

Im sure that's true.

21 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

 

And to the other disciples as well. The only difference was that Paul was sent to the Gentiles. You seem to place far too much emphasis on Paul's ministry. 

 

 

 

Paul said, "be a follower of me, as i follow Christ".

You then said that this is putting too much emphesis on Paul's ministry.

So, i'll leave you to your opinions @BrotherTony

21 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

his gospel IS NOT alone. 

 

 

If you own a KJV< look up.

 

"My Gospel", as that is what Paul calls it 3x in the KJV.

And what is that Gospel?

Its the "Gospel of the Grace of God" and its not a "dove-tail" its the 'Preaching of the Cross" that is the "Power of God unto Salvaiton" and no other apostle states it like that.

In Fact, until Acts 15, when Paul joined them, they were not preaching Paul's Gospel.

Now, ALL real born again Believers ONLY Preach, "The Cross" as "The Gospel of the Grace of God" as there is no other TRUE Gospel.

There is only.. Galatians 1:8

[BrotherTony]

18 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

Yes, im the one that explained to you that that verse is what every believer is supposed to do.

Im glad you thought about it more.

That's good.

Listen..

, Paul is our Teacher, as well as being the greatest Christian who ever lived.

 

Paul is a "chosen vessel", whom the Lord Chose, after Jesus was back in Heaven.

 

See, Jesus had told the 11 that ... "i have many things to tell you, to say to you, but you are unable to hear them (receive them)(bear them)...

 

So, Jesus send Paul to reveal all this as "Church Doctrine".

 

Paul was chosen by Jesus, to deliver Church Doctrine to us.

This is why Paul wrote most of the NT Epistles.

When you want to learn Church Doctrine, you go to Paul's writings.

Even PETER recognized Paul's Letters, that Peter had, as "SCRIPTURE"< and he stated this before the NT came that has Paul's letters in it.

So, the real student of "Church Doctrine" studies Paul doctrine.

We all as Christians, study Paul's doctrinal instruction, but not to the exclusion of everyone else's writings. This fixation on Paul alone is something I saw in the"Landmarker" churches when I was preaching for them in their churches. I don't reject the teachings of Paul, but don't go into the borderline worship of him either.  And again, I need no instruction from you, sir.

[BrotherTony]

26 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

You mean they are all a part of a denomination.

No, I mean they hold to the Baptistic, Christian fundamentals of the faith. Yes, they are most likely members of a Baptist church.

26 minutes ago, Behold said:

Im sure that's true.

 

Paul said, "be a follower of me, as i follow Christ".

Who was his target audience? To whom was he speaking? And why? 

26 minutes ago, Behold said:

You then said that this is putting too much emphesis on Paul's ministry.

So, i'll leave you to your opinions @BrotherTony

It's not just an opinion. 

26 minutes ago, Behold said:

If you own a KJV< look up.

That is a foregone conclusion considering I am on this site and have been for several years and have TOLD YOU about the forum rules concerning posting only the KJV here. It's an attempt at arrogance on your part, just further proving what I have stated before.

26 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

"My Gospel", as that is what Paul calls it 3x in the KJV.

Repeating something over and over doesn't really prove your point. I've addressed this previously.

26 minutes ago, Behold said:

And what is that Gospel?

Its the "Gospel of the Grace of God" and its not a "dove-tail" its the 'Preaching of the Cross" that is the "Power of God unto Salvaiton" and no other apostle states it like that.

If it doesn't dovetail and fit in with the rest of scripture, then the rest of scripture and the doctrine provided within as a whole would be FALSE. We know it's not.

26 minutes ago, Behold said:

In Fact, until Acts 15, when Paul joined them, they were not preaching Paul's Gospel.

Now, ALL real born again Believers ONLY Preach, "The Cross" as "The Gospel of the Grace of God" as there is no other TRUE Gospel.

There is only.. Galatians 1:8

Peter preached salvation through Christ and his death, burial, and resurrection. You really need to learn your Bible. And again, NOBODY is preaching another gospel. You have yet to prove that assertion. And, there is not "only" Galatians 1:8. You definitely need a hermeneutics course.

[Behold]

21 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

We all as Christians, study Paul's doctrinal instruction, but not to the exclusion of everyone else's writings.

 

The entire Bible is written for doctrine, reproof, instruction, ect.

However when you want to know DOCTRINE...New Testament Doctrine,  you go to Paul's epistles.

Remember that.

Just now, BrotherTony said:

Peter preached salvation through Christ and his death, burial, and resurrection.

 

Peter in Acts 2, preaches, the Cross + Water Baptism.

 

Paul said..>"Christ sent me not to water baptize".

 

Also, if you study the KJV, then in Acts 10, you'll find that God had to give Peter a revelation using a vision..  He was showing Peter that GENTILES could be saved.

When was that?  That is Acts 10.. That is about 10 yrs after Jesus is back in Heaven, and Peter does not know that Gentiles can be saved.

So, do you think Peter is your "doctrine for the Church" teacher?

You might want to do some bible study, on that one.

So, in Acts 15, Paul met Peter and them all and from that meeting they learned Paul's Gospel.

[BrotherTony]

3 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

The entire Bible is written for doctrine, reproof, instruction, ect.

However when you want to know DOCTRINE...New Testament Doctrine,  you go to Paul's epistles.

Remember that.

I go to scripture as a whole. Not just to the Pauline Epistles. Remember that... comparing scripture to scripture. 

[Jerry]

6 minutes ago, Behold said:

However when you want to know DOCTRINE...New Testament Doctrine,  you go to Paul's epistles.

Yup, ALL the NT epistles/books give us doctrine. Why hyperfocus on Paul? He’s not the only NT writer either.

[Behold]

5 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

No, I mean they hold to the Baptistic,

 

Its a denomination.

Christianity is not denomination. nor is it a religion.

Its a "Body of Christ".

 

God is not a Calvinist.

God is not a Baptist.

God is not a Catholic.

Jesus is not a Calvinist.

Jesus is not a Baptist

Jesus is not a Catholic.

Paul is not a Calvinist

Paul is not a Baptist

Paul is not a Catholic.

 

See all that?  

MAN MADE Denominations.

GOD makes Christians, throught Christ.

Learn that, and you'll have learned something.

 

See, Christians have this idea that if they "join a church" they are somehow joining God.  But is not the case.

As the born again, Joined God, before they decided to join a denomination.

And here is one more for you to learn, @BrotherTony..

There are no denominations in Heaven. .. = ZERO.

There is only GOD, Jesus, The Host of Heaven, and the Born Again, who are the Body of Christ.

[Jerry]

Peter and the other Apostles did not preach another Gospel or other doctrine - Peter might have been confused on how things related to the Gentiles until God cleared it up for him, but he didn’t believe another Gospel.

Also, Paul teaches baptism as much as the other NT writers - that it was a step of obedience to Christ and identification with His death, burial and resurrection. No Bible writer ever taught it was more than that. John the Baptist taught it was evidence or proof of their repentance, that was all.

[Jerry]

5 minutes ago, Behold said:

Its a denomination.

Christianity is not denomination. nor is it a religion.

There you go twisting things to an opposite extreme to try to make a point. Actually, Christianity - being called a Christian - is a denomination. Like I pointed out before, the NT word is SECT, which means the same as denomination. It’s an identification showing basically at the start that it was (in a way) an offshoot or progression of Judaism.

Acts 24:5
For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:
 

Oh no, they said this was a denomination.

Acts 28:22
But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.

And again…

Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
 

Acts 24:14
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

[BrotherTony]

20 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

Its a denomination.

Christianity is not denomination. nor is it a religion.

Its a "Body of Christ".

Actually it's a description...but, thanks for your OPINION. 

20 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

God is not a Calvinist.

God is not a Baptist.

God is not a Catholic.

Jesus is not a Calvinist.

Jesus is not a Baptist

Jesus is not a Catholic.

Paul is not a Calvinist

Paul is not a Baptist

Paul is not a Catholic.

Has anyone stated anything about this? No. Your pomposity is showing through again.

20 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

See all that?  

See what? I see a pompous poster who is TRYING to make himself look better than others, and with little success.

20 minutes ago, Behold said:

MAN MADE Denominations.

GOD makes Christians, throught Christ.

Learn that, and you'll have learned something.

I'm sure I "learned" this long before you. Again, the pompous attitude isn't welcome here.

20 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

See, Christians have this idea that if they "join a church" they are somehow joining God.  But is not the case.

As the born again, Joined God, before they decided to join a denomination.

And here is one more for you to learn, @BrotherTony..

There are no denominations in Heaven. .. = ZERO.

Has anyone said there were denominations in Heaven? No. Your pomposity is astounding. I've nothing to learn from you. 

20 minutes ago, Behold said:

There is only GOD, Jesus, The Host of Heaven, and the Born Again, who are the Body of Christ.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit...the Heavenly hosts and all who have joined with Christ. 

[Jerry]

All of the books of the Bible are Scripture - from the OT prophets, to the Law, to the Psalms, to the NT books and epistles. Peter’s (and James’, and John’s, and Jude’s) are just as much Scripture as Paul’s - and are just as applicable to the church as Paul’s. Only a hyper-dispensationalist (which is extreme false teaching) would say otherwise.

Each NT epistle has a different focus, not different doctrine.

[DaveW]

On 3/12/2024 at 5:14 AM, Behold said:

First, did you notice that Paul the Apostle, never had a church home?  He only planted them and went back to water them.

I rarely post here now, but someone who makes out that he knows everything but makes such a basic, simple mistake, warrants a post. A Single Post.

Act 11:25-26
(25)  Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
(26)  And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Saul was a the church at Antioch for a full year.

From there they went to the church at Jerusalem.

Then they returned from Jerusalem 

Act 12:25
(25)  And Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem, when they had fulfilled their ministry, and took with them John, whose surname was Mark.

They returned... to Antioch.

Where Saul (Paul) was in the church at Antioch and named as one of the preachers.

Act 13:1
(1)  Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

Then Barnabas and Saul were sent out from...... Antioch.
Act 13:2-3
(2)  As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
(3)  And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away.

So Barnabas and Saul went out and started a whole bunch of churches, and eventually returned to..... Antioch.

Act 14:26-28
(26)  And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled.
(27)  And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.
(28)  And there they abode long time with the disciples.
 

After a time - actually a "long time" at Antioch, they had reason to go to the church at Jerusalem:

Act 15:2-3
(2)  When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
(3)  And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
And they were "brought on their way by the church" - would this be the church at Antioch that sent them to Jerusalem to figure out the doctrinal issues that had come to their attention? The church that Barnabas and Saul were a part of apparently?

 

After all had a good chat, the church at Jerusalem sent Barnabas and Saul - and a few new mates - back to..... Antioch! of all places....

Then, after they had been back at the church in Antioch for a while, Barnabas and Paul decided to head out and see how the churches they started before were going.

Act 15:35-40
(35)  Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
(36)  And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.
(37)  And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark.
(38)  But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.
(39)  And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;
(40)  And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God.

Now of course, Barnabas and Saul had a disagreement, and decided to make two separate journeys, and this time Silas went with Paul - and note that they were recommended by the Brethren - which brethren are we speaking about specifically? I think that would be the brethren at the church of ANTIOCH.

Even after this, Paul dropped back in to Antioch:

Act 18:22
(22)  And when he had landed at Caesarea, and gone up, and saluted the church, he went down to Antioch.
 

The point of this is, that for someone to say that Paul had no "home church" shows either an extraordinary ignorance of the book of Acts, or a wilful misrepresentation of the fact for their own purposes.

Of course Paul had a home church - the Church at Antioch is where he served on several occasions, it is the church from which his missionary journeys were based, and it was the church that he returned to at the end of his various missions.

To get something so obviously basic incorrect gives reason to doubt his general information.

Aside from the fact that he has misquoted verses, indicating that they are KJV when they are clearly not - this is deliberate deceit, and it shows that he knows he is required to use KJV but REFUSES to do so, showing a disrespect for both the Word of God and for this board.

And there will be no reply - I will not fuss with an argument on this board (and will likely not even check back for a week or so at best anyway. Say what you will about me - I don't care.)

[Jerry]

You are right, Dave. Like missionaries and evangelists today, Paul had his own sending church - and it was Antioch.

[Behold]

8 hours ago, DaveW said:

I rarely post here now, but someone who makes out that he knows everything but makes such a basic, simple mistake, warrants a post. A Single Post.

 

 

@DaveW....Im going to just jump past all that you wrote and point out to  the bible students here, that nearly  every Epistle that Paul wrote, ... is a NEW Church that Paul started.

Here are a few.. .churches that Paul started.

Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, ...

So, the REAL Students here, can read the first chapter of most of Paul's epistles that are written to Churches that Paul planted and then moved ON..... and He will say something like this..

"To the CHURCH< at"....

So, the novice bible student, the newbie, the baby christian, does not know any of this yet, and that is why i come to forums.

Its to help them get past their Hebrews 6:1 mentality, and to teach them Paul's Doctrine.

Or as Paul told you... "BE a follower of ME.. as i follow Christ".

And if you're not doing that, then i can help you start, reader.

So.. Listen...

Paul had no home church... He was an Apostle, who was always planting the NEXT Church, until he was eventually arrested, and kept so, until he was beheaded.

Edited March 15 by Behold

[Jerry]

Paul was a missionary and a church planter - yet he still was sent out from the Antioch church, like church planters and missionaries today. Not sure why such a “great and wise Bible teacher” as yourself is so blind he cannot see or acknowledge that basic fact. Maybe you are too puffed up by your supposed knowledge.

1 Corinthians 8:1b Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.