A Place Called Hell

[BrotherTony]

36 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Brother Tony, I think either I have not explained my concern accurately, or folks are not understand my concern. There is no example to give. My concern was my observations in regard to some brethren who, when out witnessing and door knocking, use this term: "a place called Hell".

It is not the term that is my concern, it is simply that in my experience this term indicates to me that they have been taught to witness using a system of "easy believism. This system uses a pre-rehearsed method of witnessing such as; 1 2 3 follow me, where the person being witnessed to follows through a series of steps that end with them following the door knocker in a prayer that asks Jesus into their heart. At which time they are pronounced "saved" by the one doing the witnessing.

My main concern in this is the method, not the words, witnessing to the lost is not supposed to be like a Mary Kay seminar.

Edited to read:

I am sorry brother Tony. In my reply to this I did not see that you had posted another reply that addressed my concerns perfectly. I had thought that you were asking me for an example and didn't see that you were asking Bro. Morales. Your example of the subject being like a used car salesman it just the kind of thing I was thinking of.

Not a problem at all, Brother.  We none are perfect. I was just seeking some clarification from @E Morales, as the statement seemed to be "blanket" in a way. Examples might help guage his frame of mind in this. 

[TheGloryLand]

I’ll like to bring this topic back, have you, or your pastor, preach on a place called hell. Has it been years?

[Jim_Alaska]

A bit off topic, but I have always wondered about that term. Have you ever noticed that everyone always says the very same words when talking about Hell? No one ever says just "Hell", they always say "a place called Hell."

Just a point of interest, almost like everyone got together and agreed to say it like that.

[TheGloryLand]

4 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

A bit off topic, but I have always wondered about that term. Have you ever noticed that everyone always says the very same words when talking about Hell? No one ever says just "Hell", they always say "a place called Hell."

Just a point of interest, almost like everyone got together and agreed to say it like that.

I have to agree with you on this, a place called hell. Cannot be found in the KJ Bible search. I am guessing the reason we say it this way,  is because, the many versions of hells, that are out there, and that it is just a place. For the lost only, not sinners, for we all fall short.

[BrotherTony]

Hell is a place...Just like Phoenix is...We don't around saying "A place called Phoenix!" And to be honest, I don't ever recall saying something like "A place CALLED Hell." I know some people do use that term, and I've never really understood why. "And death and a place called Hell were cast into the lake of fire..."  We know that's not what it said.  

[TheGloryLand]

It does also get hot, very hot in Phoenix, and yes, it isn’t hell.

[BrotherTony]

15 hours ago, TheGloryLand said:

It does also get hot, very hot in Phoenix, and yes, it isn’t hell.

Yep. My grandparents used to have a mobile home (second home) that they lived in during the winters in Mesa just outside of Phoenix. I have family in Phoenix still today. My wife and I had considered moving there years ago, but the Lord led us elsewhere. 

[TheGloryLand]

How can you look at a nice little old lady, and say you’re going to hell, if you don’t believe?

[BrotherTony]

1 hour ago, TheGloryLand said:

How can you look at a nice little old lady, and say you’re going to hell, if you don’t believe?

I don't believe most people would word it that way. Most have more couthe than that. 

[Joe Chandler]

On 2/25/2023 at 3:10 AM, Jim_Alaska said:

A bit off topic, but I have always wondered about that term. Have you ever noticed that everyone always says the very same words when talking about Hell? No one ever says just "Hell", they always say "a place called Hell."

Just a point of interest, almost like everyone got together and agreed to say it like that.

Yes. I have heard the phrase "a place called hell" used in witness and from the pulpit. It does smack of easy believism. The use of the phrase does seem to soften the reality of hell, whether intentional or not.

[Joe Chandler]

4 hours ago, TheGloryLand said:

How can you look at a nice little old lady, and say you’re going to hell, if you don’t believe?

Personally, I am very glad that a soul winner told me that very thing, because it is true and I needed to hear it. Should I lie to the nice little old lady? Is that what you would do? Should I spare her feelings or spare her hell?

[TheGloryLand]

On 10/10/2021 at 8:18 PM, TheGloryLand said:

A place call Hell is mention much, in our bibles and should be preach but not abuse.

Bible, King James Version

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Deut.32

1. [22] For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

2Sam.22

1. [6] The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;

Job.11

1. [8] It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

Job.26

1. [6] Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.

Pss.9

1. [17] The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

Pss.16

1. [10] For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Pss.18

1. [5] The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Pss.55

1. [15] Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.

Pss.86

1. [13] For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.

Pss.116

1. [3] The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.

Pss.139

1. [8] If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Prov.5

1. [5] Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.

Prov.7

1. [27] Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.

Prov.9

1. [18] But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

Prov.15

1. [11] Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?
2. [24] The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

Prov.23

1. [14] Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Prov.27

1. [20] Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Isa.5

1. [14] Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Isa.14

1. [9] Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
2. [15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Isa.28

1. [15] Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
2. [18] And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Isa.57

1. [9] And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell.

Ezek.31

1. [16] I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
2. [17] They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.

Ezek.32

1. [21] The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.
2. [27] And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.

Amos.9

1. [2] Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:

Jonah.2

1. [2] And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Hab.2

1. [5] Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:

4Ezra.2

1. [29] My hands shall cover thee, so that thy children shall not see hell.

4Ezra.4

1. [8] Peradventure thou wouldest say unto me, I never went down into the deep, nor as yet intohell, neither did I ever climb up into heaven.

4Ezra.8

1. [53] The root of evil is sealed up from you, weakness and the moth is hid from you, and corruption is fled into hell to be forgotten:

Tob.13

1. [2] For he doth scourge, and hath mercy: he leadeth down to hell, and bringeth up again: neither is there any that can avoid his hand.

Wis.16

1. [13] For thou hast power of life and death: thou leadest to the gates of hell, and bringest up again.

Wis.17

1. [14] But they sleeping the same sleep that night, which was indeed intolerable, and which came upon them out of the bottoms of inevitable hell,

Sir.21

1. [10] The way of sinners is made plain with stones, but at the end thereof is the pit of hell.

Sir.51

1. [5] From the depth of the belly of hell, from an unclean tongue, and from lying words.
2. [6] By an accusation to the king from an unrighteous tongue my soul drew near even unto death, my life was near to the hell beneath.
3. [66] O Ananias, Azarias, and Misael, bless ye the Lord: praise and exalt him above all for ever: far he hath delivered us from hell, and saved us from the hand of death, and delivered us out of the midst of the furnace and burning flame: even out of the midst of the fire hath he delivered us.

Matt.5

1. [22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
2. [29] And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
3. [30] And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matt.10

1. [28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body inhell.

Matt.11

1. [23] And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

Matt.16

1. [18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matt.18

1. [9] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Matt.23

1. [15] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
2. [33] Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Mark.9

1. [43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
2. [45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
3. [47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Luke.10

1. [15] And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shalt be thrust down to hell.

Luke.12

1. [5] But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Luke.16

1. [23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Acts.2

1. [27] Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
2. [31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left inhell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Jas.3

1. [6] And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

2Pet.2

1. [4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Rev.1

1. [18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Rev.6

1. [8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hellfollowed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Rev.20

1. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
2. [14] And death and hell were cast in

I heard a nice message this morning. But like I mentioned before, many good preachers have no problem saying Heaven, but have a very hard time saying Hell. Old time preachers did not have this problem, saying Hell in their preaching. Have a nice day and thank God for your Salvation, and that you are not going to Hell.

[BrotherTony]

5 hours ago, TheGloryLand said:

I heard a nice message this morning. But like I mentioned before, many good preachers have no problem saying Heaven, but have a very hard time saying Hell. Old time preachers did not have this problem, saying Hell in their preaching. Have a nice day and thank God for your Salvation, and that you are not going to Hell.

Are you calling them good in respect to their manner of delivery, or in what they say? If they're "good" they would be delivering the whole counseling of God, and that includes Hell. I've never heard any of the good preachers I've listened to shrink back from the subject. 

I'm thankful for all those here who are truly saved and are sharing the Word with others, warning them of hell.

[MikeWatson1]

Just on easy believism... Since salvation isn't by works ..by grace thru faith in Jesus... Then shouldn't it be 'easy to believe ' ? 

Jesus is not willing that anyone should perish... So why would He make it difficult to get a place in heaven? 

So I'm not sure what the issue is with easy believism.  

 

I know it's not just 'repeat a prayer after me '...but it isn't hard to believe on Jesus Christ.

[BrotherTony]

1 hour ago, MikeWatson1 said:

Just on easy believism... Since salvation isn't by works ..by grace thru faith in Jesus... Then shouldn't it be 'easy to believe ' ? 

Jesus is not willing that anyone should perish... So why would He make it difficult to get a place in heaven? 

So I'm not sure what the issue is with easy believism.  

 

I know it's not just 'repeat a prayer after me '...but it isn't hard to believe on Jesus Christ.

When most are referring to "easy believism," they are referring to the 1 2 3, pray after me prayer that so many people use for the purpose of creating numerical increase in their churches. So many hurry to the prayer with no signs of belief from the participants. Jesus then, for all intents and purposes nothing more than a fire escape. Nobody's saying it shouldn't be easy to accept Christ, but noone should be allowed to say a prayer when there's no signs of repentance and realization that they're a sinner.