Textual/version stance

[Guest Guest]

Jerry...this is so uplifting for me. :thumb My IFB church is where I learn and grow in the Lord, as well. If I can get out of bed to go on-line with OB, then, I most certainly can fellowship with my local IFB church that exhorts me & prays for me. We need to be in church to grow closer to Jesus Christ.

You know, in my 1st IFB church I was like Mary...in the Mary and Martha story in the Bible. I just wanted to sit at the Saviour's feet, soaking in as much knowledge as I could ( although, I did odds and ends jobs). As I have grown in the Lord...I have become more like Martha b/c I serve Jesus with the bus route, and these homeless ladies and their children. Nothing is more gratifying than serving Christ to me.

BTW, we are a gentle yet firm IFB church that stands on the KJV, and, lets the Holy Spirit do His work. That comes from good, strong leadership. My pastor is a very wise man. :thumb

candlelight

[Jerry]

Sorry, Candlelight, for the confusion. My statement was directed at KJB_Princess. Extreme positions on any issue don't help anyone. Many here are KJVonly (in English) because so far that is the only faithful and complete translation in English that is 100% in line with the underlying preserved Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. Many are not opposed as such to a newer translation in English - I just don't believe we will see one before Christ returns. If a group of sound Bible believing translators put together another English translation that was 100% in accordance with the KJV (though with modern wording) and with the underlying texts, then I would not be opposed to it.

[Guest Guest]

Sorry' date=' Candlelight, for the confusion. My statement was directed at KJB_Princess. Extreme positions on any issue don't help anyone. Many here are KJVonly (in English) because so far that is the only faithful and complete translation in English that is 100% in line with the underlying preserved Hebrew and Greek manuscripts. Many are not opposed as such to a newer translation in English - I just don't believe we will see one before Christ returns. If a group of sound Bible believing translators put together another English translation that was 100% in accordance with the KJV (though with modern wording) and with the underlying texts, then I would not be opposed to it.[/quote']

That's alright, Jerry. No problem. :thumb I am just waiting for Brother Bruce Musselman to get back from preaching in PA. I will get all the information at that time for OB. He has so much information that it is incredible. He carries most of these materials with him when he preaches. I just wish the man had an Internet. He is VERY old-fashioned. He has libraries of materials on the KJV 1611 AV. When he preached Baptist history in my old IFB church...before I got saved, I almost fell out of the pew. I was saved shortly after that. Of course...he has to be on the "circuit"...now, of ALL times. I would NOT steer OB wrong. The man is a "Walking Book". hehe. :thumb BTW, he gives all the honor, glory, and praise to Jesus Christ ALL the time! He is so humble.

candlelight

[JerryNumbers]

Right, but the problem seems to be those who gather together to write a new version always have an agenda, and they use their prejudices, whether it be trying to make salvation by words or making Jesus Queen of heave, or tying to make us become gods.

But why do we need a new one, the old KJ is still right on the mark. If they can understand it, they will not understand a newer one.

Kind of like the fellow who got his 1st set of false teeth, he had trouble adjusting to them. Some one would tell him they went to so and so and their teeth fits just great. So he goes to so and so and gets a new set, still having trouble adjusting and someone else tells him about another fellow that is great at fitting false teeth, so he goes gets another new set. He odes this 4 or 5 times finally someone tells him, what you need to do is just buckle down, give yourself time to learn to adjust to them.

He listens to this fellow, a few weeks later he can take a bite our of an apple with his new teeth, now he wishes he had not wasted so much money needlessly.

Yes, the problem is many will not buckle down and study, so they go from version to version hoping to learn an easy way, of course people in this world like Rick Warren who uses numerous versions just to write one book does not help anyone either.

[Guest Guest]

Right, but the problem seems to be those who gather together to write a new version always have an agenda, and they use their prejudices, whether it be trying to make salvation by words or making Jesus Queen of heave, or tying to make us become gods.

But why do we need a new one, the old KJ is still right on the mark. If they can understand it, they will not understand a newer one.

Kind of like the fellow who got his 1st set of false teeth, he had trouble adjusting to them. Some one would tell him they went to so and so and their teeth fits just great. So he goes to so and so and gets a new set, still having trouble adjusting and someone else tells him about another fellow that is great at fitting false teeth, so he goes gets another new set. He odes this 4 or 5 times finally someone tells him, what you need to do is just buckle down, give yourself time to learn to adjust to them.

He listens to this fellow, a few weeks later he can take a bite our of an apple with his new teeth, now he wishes he had not wasted so much money needlessly.

Yes, the problem is many will not buckle down and study, so they go from version to version hoping to learn an easy way, of course people in this world like Rick Warren who uses numerous versions just to write one book does not help anyone either.

jerry8. Great analogy...as well, w/ the teeth. I like the saying, "Don't try to fix what isn't broken". :thumb Man has just made money off the New Versions...and, that is the bottom line. :smile Well, they have, and will pay for it in the end. That is for sure. :thumb

Also, we are very like-minded here b/c I was just thinking about Rick Warren last night. Maybe this is where this current confusion is coming from? :ideas:

candlelight

[Jerry]

I certainly don't think we need a new translation - I just think we need to spend more time studying the one we have already. I am simply not against a new one - if it was done faithfully, and without an agenda (as you have indicated). I personally don't think that will ever happen; there is too much corruption in Christendom and we are in the endtimes.

[Guest Guest]

I certainly don't think we need a new translation - I just think we need to spend more time studying the one we have already. I am simply not against a new one - if it was done faithfully, and without an agenda (as you have indicated). I personally don't think that will ever happen; there is too much corruption in Christendom and we are in the endtimes.

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[Guest Guest]

I certainly don't think we need a new translation - I just think we need to spend more time studying the one we have already. I am simply not against a new one - if it was done faithfully' date=' and without an agenda (as you have indicated). I personally don't think that will ever happen; there is too much corruption in Christendom and we are in the endtimes.[/quote']

Who decides if a new translation is accurate or not?

[JerryNumbers]

jerry8. Great analogy...as well, w/ the teeth. I like the saying, "Don't try to fix what isn't broken". :thumb Man has just made money off the New Versions...and, that is the bottom line. :smile Well, they have, and will pay for it in the end. That is for sure. :thumb

Also, we are very like-minded here b/c I was just thinking about Rick Warren last night. Maybe this is where this current confusion is coming from? :ideas:
candlelight

The analogy come to me 1st hand, father in law and a good friend.

Jerry, When the Lord called me to preach, between them and when I surrendered, I had to examine this doctrine that Baptist have stood for down thru the ages before I could surrendered.

For a period of over a year I studied what our forefathers taught, I had to be sure I was on the right track before i coudl walk that aisle and be my Lords servant. I purchased many books about Baptist doctrine, churches, history. I had to as well see what people had to say about the inspiration of the God's Holy Word, about this Bible which we use.

I must say doing this study made me even more conservative than what I had been, thos took place in my early 50's. And to be honest, never for one moment thought that I would ever become as conservative as I have. What got me here was study, not taking someone else's word, but digging in and trying everything I had been taught and testing it against the Bible.

I believe 100% in encouraging the growing Christian, but not at the cost of acceptance of disobedience of the Gospel.

14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2 Thess 3:14 (KJV)

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Thess 2:15 (KJV)

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
2 Cor 6:16-18 (KJV)

21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:21-22 (KJV)

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Tim 2:15 (KJV)

I take these words seriously, they are so important, but many don't seem to take them very seriously and will almost accept anything and encourage those who are on a wrong path. I have even noticed that some will defend those who are on the wrong path when you try to show them the correct way.

I must say, I feel that many churches failed its members by not teaching them the errors of false teaching churches, but teaching them acceptance of anyone who calls them self a Christians. And now we are seeing many churches come together in worship of the Lord and accepting almost anything.

Oh, a person here at town today told my wife he had tried out our new Cowboy Church. He said, "On Sunday morning they come to church on their way home from a Saturday night of bar hopping and don't show the least bit of respect for Jesus and His Church." Stuff like this is attracting many, and it will be the doom of many.

[kevinmiller]

Who decided that the KJV is accurate?

[kevinmiller]

You think that the explanation for no copyright is that God wrote it?
Except.......there IS a copyright, it's held by the Crown of England and you have to get permission to print it in England.

[Jerry]

Who decides if a new translation is accurate or not?

Anyone can do it. Just like we can compare the MVs to the KJV and to the underlying manuscripts - we can also compare any new supposedly TR-based translation or update of the KJV. So far any claims by others have been bad jobs.

Who decided that the KJV is accurate?

I would say the people of God that have been using it. As has been shown in numerous threads (if you have been paying any attention), the flaws and contradictions of the MVs have been clearly shown - YET NOONE HAS EVER PROVEN ONE contradiction or irreconcilable passage IN THE KJV. So, yes, I would say that the KJV is very accurate.

[JerryNumbers]

I feel this explains it all.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2512

Most of us who devoutly believe and defend the King James Bible are well aware of how "stupid" "ignorant" "backward" "cultic" "unloving" and "narrow minded" we are IN YOUR EYES.

You do not need to tell us again, we heard you the first time and have been hearing you for hundreds of years. The trouble is that we are a loyal and faithful lot finding it difficult to change our stand and beliefs. Even with all of your books, magazines, articles, and posts, you have not given us any evidence, either material or Spiritual, to show that you offer us anything better than what we already have. In fact there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that you could even offer us anything as good as we have!

Therefore to listen to your insults, blasphemies, and offers, is a repeat of history and a waste of our time but we thank you for your concern (you did come out of true concern didn't you?) but we are really not interested in your offers.

We will however pray that you come to know and believe in something to the point that you are willing to stand as a true defender of the faith in the face of any and all opposition just as most of us do.

We DO however stand with open invitation to all who come sincerely seeking the truth in the matter of the King James Bible versus the Modern Versions. I don't know of a single KJBible defender who will lie to you or twist History or the Scriptures to make a point. If any do then they have other problems that need dealt with before the Lord and have no fellowship with the true defenders of God's Word.

We ask the seeker to look beneath all the hype and the arguments found in every public KJBible forum, for the devil sends such events to keep you discouraged and in the dark. Be not detoured from your mission of truth, for in the end the Spirit of God will testify to the Spirit in you as to what is true and what is not.

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: John 15:26

Written by Jim Oakley and used by permission.

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Added 11/05/05

I feel it is time I bring this back up to the top. It seems we go in circles talking about these issues and neither side gets anywhere. It is a waste of my time and yours if you will not listen to answers when they are given. If you do not like our stand that is fine just remember that you are the one who came here to fellowship with us.

This part says it very well.

<<"Most of us who devoutly believe and defend the King James Bible are well aware of how "stupid" "ignorant" "backward" "cultic" "unloving" and "narrow minded" we are IN YOUR EYES">>

So why keep on going on about it, you know where this board stands.

And if you will do a search of this board, you will find many answers to the questions your asking, its all be hashed out before.

[Guest Guest]

I would say the people of God that have been using it. As has been shown in numerous threads (if you have been paying any attention), the flaws and contradictions of the MVs have been clearly shown - YET NOONE HAS EVER PROVEN ONE contradiction or irreconcilable passage IN THE KJV. So, yes, I would say that the KJV is very accurate.

Would you say the KJV is perfect? If so, how can perfection be improved on?

Has everyone that voted #2 forgotten these verses?

Proverbs 30:5-6
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

If a new translation is made, even if it's just a new "modernized" translation from the KJV, there would have to be some words changed in order for it to be a "new translation". We know from the Bible that God does not approve of that. If the King James Bible is really the perfect word of God in English, then no man has any right to ever change it!

Of course... anyone who doesn't submit themselves to the authority of the King James Bible really wouldn't care if a few words are added or removed to make the Bible more "understandable" to modern Americans, now would they?

[Guest Guest]

The Revelation of Jesus Christ Revelation 22: 9-18-21...For I testify (say) unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy (message) of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part of the book of life, and out of the holy city (Heaven...NOT Rome, Italy), and from the things which are written in this book. He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. A-men. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. A-men. KJV 1611 AV. God's blessings to all.

candlelight