A question. (or a few)

[Guest Guest]

Yeah, what did that come out of - the Message? Show me where the Bible teaches we are not to judge sin - that would involve being - ready for it? - judgemental.

Sorry do not even know what the Message is dude. You have many things here that are wrong the bible clearly teaches that we should not judge others because we ourselves are not worthy to judge only Christ can judge. I can quote scripture but I do not think showing that I can copy and paste will do any good you are pretty judgemental and will just say this means that when it clearly says to
take the plank out of your own eye. Yes, Jesus himself said that.

[HappyChristian]

Sorry do not even know what the Message is dude. You have many things here that are wrong the bible clearly teaches that we should not judge others because we ourselves are not worthy to judge only Christ can judge. I can quote scripture but I do not think showing that I can copy and paste will do any good you are pretty judgemental and will just say this means that when it clearly says to
take the plank out of your own eye. Yes, Jesus himself said that.

tank - we are to judge righteous judgment. That's what God's Word says.

And, I'm not meaning to be hateful...but your comment to Jerry about the plank was a judgment on him. :wink

[Guest Guest]

tank - we are to judge righteous judgment. That's what God's Word says.

And, I'm not meaning to be hateful...but your comment to Jerry about the plank was a judgment on him.

It is a biblical lesson not me putting judgement on him. I do not even know him. I simply do not agree with him on many of his posts.

[HappyChristian]

It is a biblical lesson not me putting judgement on him. I do not even know him. I simply do not agree with him on many of his posts.

Disagreement is fine, really (as long as we don't pull Bible out of context!). That is one way that we learn.

God does want us to help those Christians who have fallen into sin...but if we don't see them as having fallen into sin, how do we know they need help? That is a form of judgment, too.

See, when we follow the Bible as our guide for living, we will avoid certain things and we will do certain things (the most important part in that is our hearts! Being what we should be will cause us to do what we should do). That is judgment - discernment.

In John 7:24 Jesus says, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." That righteous judgment comes only when we are immersed in His Word and surrendered to Him. Otherwise, we are judging on appearance. Many times things are not what they seem. God gives wisdom to those who ask it, and thus righteous judgment. Does this make sense?

[Jerry]

You have many things here that are wrong the bible clearly teaches that we should not judge others because we ourselves are not worthy to judge only Christ can judge.

That's not what God's Word says:

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

you are pretty judgemental and will just say this means that when it clearly says to take the plank out of your own eye. Yes, Jesus himself said that.

Context is pretty important when claiming to teach/quote something from the Bible:

Matthew 7:1-6 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Jesus didn't tell us not to judge at all - HE TOLD US NOT TO JUDGE HYPOCRITICALLY. If I was doing the same thing I was condemning, then I would be guilty and disobeying what this passage clearly teaches.

[JerryNumbers]

Sorry do not even know what the Message is dude. You have many things here that are wrong the bible clearly teaches that we should not judge others because we ourselves are not worthy to judge only Christ can judge. I can quote scripture but I do not think showing that I can copy and paste will do any good you are pretty judgemental and will just say this means that when it clearly says to
take the plank out of your own eye. Yes, Jesus himself said that.

If you live and walk with God your going to have to make many judgments about many things and many people.

[Guest Guest]

You guys are wrong those scriptures do not mean that. You are basically taking the appereance that you know what CHRIST thinks and how he would act. That is wrong. There were many times in CHRIST'S ministry where he was faced with similar things that we are faced with did he put them down? Not associate with them? NO he loved them and showed them love. CHRIST'S ministry is the example do not need to say anymore on this thread. You guys are wrong and take it out of context to meet BAPTIST THEOLOGY not CHRISTS WORD. Sorry :coffee

[Jerry]

Yeah okay - if you have such problems with "Baptist theology", why are you here? :duh

You guys are wrong those scriptures do not mean that. You are basically taking the appereance that you know what CHRIST thinks and how he would act.

I guess, according to you, Jesus really didn't mean what He said - boy you must be confused then!! :uuhm:

[JerryNumbers]

You guys are wrong those scriptures do not mean that. You are basically taking the appereance that you know what CHRIST thinks and how he would act. That is wrong. There were many times in CHRIST'S ministry where he was faced with similar things that we are faced with did he put them down? Not associate with them? NO he loved them and showed them love. CHRIST'S ministry is the example do not need to say anymore on this thread. You guys are wrong and take it out of context to meet BAPTIST THEOLOGY not CHRISTS WORD. Sorry :coffee

Sorry, but your ignoring God's inspire Word, our instruction book, and replacing it will worldly wisdom.

Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

But check out these verses.

2Th 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed.
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

This one is about church discipline, Paul is telling the church to judge this man, and put him out of their church. I suppose this woudl be a bit to much judgmental for you.

1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed:

2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

Seems the Bible disagree with you on this one.

[HappyChristian]

You guys are wrong those scriptures do not mean that. You are basically taking the appereance that you know what CHRIST thinks and how he would act. That is wrong. There were many times in CHRIST'S ministry where he was faced with similar things that we are faced with did he put them down? Not associate with them? NO he loved them and showed them love. CHRIST'S ministry is the example do not need to say anymore on this thread. You guys are wrong and take it out of context to meet BAPTIST THEOLOGY not CHRISTS WORD. Sorry :coffee

So, we don't know what Christ thinks, but you do?

tank, you need to reread this whole thread. The Bible is very clear that we are to be in the world, but not of it.

There comes a time when every Christian needs to make a decision. Either that Christian is going to be very clear with everyone how he/she stands, or that Christian is going to compromise and hide his/her beliefs.

A Christian who stands for what the Bible teaches will not have lost people as best friends. The lost will distance themselves from the Christian, not the other way around. If a Christian stands for right, the lost may make fun, but they will respect that stand.

Compromising with the world never wins anyone - lost or saved - to the cause of Christ.

A Christian can make a stand for Christ without being obnoxious about it.

Christ did eat with sinners. But it wasn't going out to dinner or places...when He ate with them there was a specific purpose...to lead them to Himself. When we go out of our way to spend time with the lost - for the sake of fun - we are not being like Christ. Read all the passages that deal with Him spending time with sinners. Not one of them was just a gabfest or pizza and movie, or bowling kind of time. Don't get me wrong - we have taken lost people out to dinner and spent time with them, getting to know them...but our purpose was and is to try and lead them to Christ...not just to have fun. It is enjoyable to spend time that way, but it isn't for fun.

The Bible tells us to have the mind of Christ, tank. And by reading the Bible, applying it to our lives, and allowing the Holy Spirit to change us, we CAN know what Christ would think and do.