Members heartstrings Posted July 21, 2017 Members Share Posted July 21, 2017 ........... in the seventh month, on the seventeenth* day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. KENTUCKY We boarded Pastor Matt, 1Timothy115 and No Nicolaitans 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted July 21, 2017 Author Members Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) My wife kept asking what the types of wood were. So I found western red cedar, eastern red cedar, spruce, fir, yellow pine, pressure-treated yellow pine, plywood, oak and mahogany but never saw a single stick of "gopher wood". I'll post more photos later. Edited July 21, 2017 by heartstrings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members wretched Posted July 21, 2017 Members Share Posted July 21, 2017 And please also a thorough review brother. What is there to do and see and how did you like it? heartstrings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 1Timothy115 Posted July 21, 2017 Members Share Posted July 21, 2017 I would like to go in cooler weather. heartstrings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swathdiver Posted July 21, 2017 Members Share Posted July 21, 2017 I was just checking that out yesterday, might like to take a trip and visit. heartstrings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted July 21, 2017 Author Members Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I was wowed by the building's design and construction which are ingenious and the artwork and craftsmanship are second to none; especially stuff like the animal "kinds" and the dinosaur models. Everything is first class. I have some opinions on some of the speculative stuff which is displayed, but I will save mentioning those for a later date. I still hold to "........... blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." There is no comparison to that. The best thing was, that the plan of salvation was presented throughout. Edited July 21, 2017 by heartstrings swathdiver, wretched and No Nicolaitans 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ukulelemike Posted July 24, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 24, 2017 My biggest issue is that it is built more as a boat, than an 'ark', which is a box, a chest or coffer. Not a boat. It didn't need a bow or stern, because it wasn't 'going' anywhere, just had to float. Not to speak ill of the hard work done, but God didn't tell Noah to build a boat, but an ark. But that's just my thoughts. Still would go see it if I was in the area, but I wouldn't travel to see it. I still think they found the real one in Turkey, but not sure there, either, of course. wretched 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swathdiver Posted July 25, 2017 Members Share Posted July 25, 2017 A bow and stern are helpful for stability and sea-keeping. If that is the remains of the ark in Turkey, then it surely had a bow and stern and its design follows the golden ratio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted July 25, 2017 Author Members Share Posted July 25, 2017 The most important part of a ship is its keel which is like the "backbone" of the whole thing. From an engineering standpoint, I can't see a straight-sided "box" with a displacement of several thousand tons, withstanding heavy seas without breaking up unless it had several "keels" running the length of it and LOTS of internal bracing. .Maybe brother Noah had an even better design. swathdiver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Invicta Posted July 26, 2017 Members Share Posted July 26, 2017 23 hours ago, heartstrings said: The most important part of a ship is its keel which is like the "backbone" of the whole thing. From an engineering standpoint, I can't see a straight-sided "box" with a displacement of several thousand tons, withstanding heavy seas without breaking up unless it had several "keels" running the length of it and LOTS of internal bracing. .Maybe brother Noah had an even better design. I have no doubt that God gave every instruction to Noah that he needed to complete the ark. including Genesis 6:13-15 ¶ And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. 15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. 16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted July 26, 2017 Author Members Share Posted July 26, 2017 "with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it." Uh Oh....they did it wrong in this one, it has four. Yes, I wasn't thinking of that. Just making floors and "rooms" is going to add a tremendous amount of structural bracing. And, if all 8 corners of a "box" have really stout "Gopher wood" beams each one of those would be just a structurally sound as a keel. It wouldn't be navigable but, I don't think it needed to be. One thing which was interesting; they had a small fenced off area down at one end of one floor with a couple of small goats and an alpaca. You could smell it quite well from a considerable distance. Imagine what the real ark smelled like filled with about 1000+ critters. I'll bet Brother Noah spent most of his time by that "window" at the top. :) Invicta 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Ukulelemike Posted July 26, 2017 Moderators Share Posted July 26, 2017 4 hours ago, heartstrings said: "with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it." Uh Oh....they did it wrong in this one, it has four. Yes, I wasn't thinking of that. Just making floors and "rooms" is going to add a tremendous amount of structural bracing. And, if all 8 corners of a "box" have really stout "Gopher wood" beams each one of those would be just a structurally sound as a keel. It wouldn't be navigable but, I don't think it needed to be. One thing which was interesting; they had a small fenced off area down at one end of one floor with a couple of small goats and an alpaca. You could smell it quite well from a considerable distance. Imagine what the real ark smelled like filled with about 1000+ critters. I'll bet Brother Noah spent most of his time by that "window" at the top. :) It has been speculated that the ark may have had a moonpool, which would replace the air regularly inside to keep it from getting too ripe. Just speculation, of course, but I am sure someone thought about the conditions of the air in an enclosed space full of animals for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted July 26, 2017 Author Members Share Posted July 26, 2017 Yes, there was a display/presentation of the "moonpool" idea too. And everything like that was first class. Nothing was crude or rudimentary looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members swathdiver Posted July 27, 2017 Members Share Posted July 27, 2017 12 hours ago, heartstrings said: "with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it." Uh Oh....they did it wrong in this one, it has four. The fourth might be the bilge! LOL Every big ship has a bilge or two. Some are a full deck in height, many are not. heartstrings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted July 27, 2017 Author Members Share Posted July 27, 2017 My wife, LynnDee, couldn't stay out of the little kid sections like this one in which you open each little door to see the "animal" inside. She's such a little kid. :) swathdiver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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