Civil War or War between States - please advise.

[weary warrior]

32 minutes ago, wretched said:

Who cares is the question again friend? There will be none of this nonsense in Eternity.

The answer to the second asking is the same as it was for the first asking.

I care.

And apparently so do a lot of others.

If you dont, fine. Stop meddling in a conversation you care nothing about, just for the sake of being rude and contentious. If you find truth in history to be mere "nonsense" , I'll not be answering a fool according to his folly.

[wretched]

11 minutes ago, weary warrior said:

The answer to the second asking is the same as it was for the first asking.

I care.

And apparently so do a lot of others.

If you dont, fine. Stop meddling in a conversation you care nothing about, just for the sake of being rude and contentious. If you find truth in history to be mere "nonsense" , I'll not be answering a fool according to his folly.

Ok

[DaveW]

26 minutes ago, weary warrior said:

I don't mind at all. Sorry, I think I answered above, but neglected to quote your original question. My apologies. I don't remember the name, but I think it was Faith Baptist. It was a very straight, concervative IB. I remember the pastor had an Italian-sounding name, he was a very good man. Sorry. I'm terrible with names, and it's been close to 17 years.

Pastor Zaydan maybe?

He is a good man - Good preacher, and a man of integrity.

He may very well have chosen the song because of you........ :LOL:   ooops.

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16 hours ago, The real Bob Hutton said:

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask a question about History but I have an enquiry.

This is definitely the correct section for your inquiry, but, as you can see, it still raise the dander of many over here.

[weary warrior]

16 minutes ago, Brother Stafford said:

This is definitely the correct section for your inquiry, but, as you can see, it still raise the dander of many over here.

Nah, I'm OK. The questions don't raise my dander. I don't mind them at all. It's something else entirely that'll get me scratchin' in the dirt.

But I just had supper, my belly is full and my fire has died down, so it's all good. Gonna go get me a cup of coffee and kiss the wife 'till I stop hearing the roar of battle in my ears. Sometimes it's surely a sore vexation bein' me. :)

I do apologize for the vinager in my tone in a couple of posts there.

56 minutes ago, DaveW said:

Pastor Zaydan maybe?

He is a good man - Good preacher, and a man of integrity.

He may very well have chosen the song because of you........ :LOL:   ooops.

Zaydan could be right. He wasn't a real large fella, I'm 6' and 200 lbs and there was a noticable size differance. He had black hair and a very personable, easy way about him. I don't remember much else, but I sure did like him. 

[1Timothy115]

5 hours ago, weary warrior said:

That is exactly what it refers to. When one actually studies it out, the war truely was over State's rights vs central federal control. Slavery was simply used as the flashpoint. An honest farmer in Wisconsin would not fight and die over a political position as academic as state vs federal rights. So they used slavery to frame it as a moral crusade, and hundreds of thousands died.

The south actually had a legal, constitutional right to secede, (I've studied it out) and create their own government. Most figure it would probably have ultimately failed and returned to the Union peacefully over time, but it was right and legal to try. So they considered that Washington invaded an autonomous, independant country (Northern Agression) and took it by force.

1. The Emancipation Proclimation only freed slaves in the Confederation, where the Union had no court, but did not free the slaves still legally held in the Union States. (An interesting study in itself).

2. Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus

3. At the end of the war, Federal troops were stationed in the south, and the South was under military occupation for years.

4. Northern Carpet Baggers were stealing farms from returning, impoverished soldiers, who had no weapons or rights to fight back. They were using the newly freed slaves as muscle for this. The southern farmers, who were unable to physically defend themselves and their farms without weapons, would wait until the group of freed slaves were approaching a farm to force them out, then burn a cross IN THEIR OWN YARD to scare off the uneducated and superstitious blacks. It morphed into something that is horrible and hateful today, but it started as simple, self defence. These things caused a terrible animosity between poor whites and poorer blacks in the south that had not existed before, the sad results of which are still with us today.

That is a small part of the legacy of reconstruction.

Much of what you say above, I understand why. However, you're going to have to cite your sources, I've studied too and much of what you've stated above is arguably incorrect.

[weary warrior]

14 minutes ago, 1Timothy115 said:

Much of what you say above, I understand why. However, you're going to have to cite your sources, I've studied too and much of what you've stated above is arguably incorrect.

It's from 30 years of study of 100's of resources. It isn't incorrect, its just not easily picked up in today's politically correct history books. I've read everything from Robert E Lee's private letters to General Doubleday's dispatches at the battles of Chancellorsville and Gettysburg. I own copies of many of them. I've read Forrest's own personal account of the founding of the KKK (he didn't found it, they begged him to join, and he resigned soon after and warned them to disband) as well as his and Stonewall Jackson's personal testimonies of salvation. I have in my posession an original copy of "Christ in the Camp", an eyewitness account of the preaching services and revivals that took place in the Confederate army during the war. I have GFR Henderson's biography of Jackson, Bold Dragoon, Diary of a Southern Woman (which it is) and I don't know how many books by Shelby Foote. I have shelves full of books of battle maps, excerpts of diaries of soldiers in the field ... the list goes on and on and on.

For me to give you a nice, simple bibliography is not likely to happen. I am the 7th generation of my family born in that one little spot in the hills of Kentucky, and then Virginia before that, and Louisiana before that, all the way back to the late 1600's. It's not just that I have lived in the south at sometime, it is mine and  my family's heritage that goes further back than many families have even been on this continent. As for the importance of family history and knowing where you came from, I wonder why there are scores of whole chapters and even books in the Bible dedicated to endless, dry genealogies?

Anyhow, be assured thst I'm not the least bothered by your questions, I relish them, and thank you for asking them. I answered them a little, some of them, but I won't prove my answers. I instead hope that you will continue to dig much harder and deeper, for it is often as much about the journey as it is the destination.

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15 minutes ago, weary warrior said:

I have in my posession an original copy of "Christ in the Camp", an eyewitness account of the preaching services and revivals that took place in the Confederate army during the war.

Oooooh...  I'm ordering a copy of that right away.  Is it as good as it sounds?

[weary warrior]

8 minutes ago, Brother Stafford said:

Oooooh...  I'm ordering a copy of that right away.  Is it as good as it sounds?

It is to me...but I'm kind of odd that way :)

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32 minutes ago, weary warrior said:

It is to me...but I'm kind of odd that way :)

Just ordered a used hardcover from ebay.  Looking forward to reading it.

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I'm also hoping that my father will be interested in reading it.  He's 83 years old and is an ex Catholic who says he believes in God but that the Bible was written by a bunch of guys a long time ago.  He loves books and films about older wars, especially the Civil War, so I'm going to pray that God tickles his interest.

[Bob from England]

I seem to recal reading an account about D L Moody, that he used to hold services to which confederate P.O.Ws were invited.  They were happy to sing the general Gospel Hymns but they sang from memory and wouldn't use the Hymn Book because it had the US flag on the front.  Do you think that account is feasible?  One reads so much about what happened that it's often difficult to differentiate between truth and what has been embellished.

Many thanks to all for your comments - they have been really helpful.

Edited February 28, 2017 by The real Bob Hutton
coments should be comments

[Alimantado]

One 'civil war' that doesn't often get talked about in UK is the so-called prayer book rebellion in Cornwall in 1549. Although it wasn't the only Cornish revolt, apparently Cornwall's defeat was the beginning of the end of Cornwall as a nation with its own language. Except there's now an independence movement--hooray!

[Salyan]

2 hours ago, Alimantado said:

One 'civil war' that doesn't often get talked about in UK is the so-called prayer book rebellion in Cornwall in 1549. Although it wasn't the only Cornish revolt, apparently Cornwall's defeat was the beginning of the end of Cornwall as a nation with its own language. Except there's now an independence movement--hooray!

Prayer book rebellion?

[Alimantado]

5 minutes ago, Salyan said:

Prayer book rebellion?

England forced an English-language prayer book on worshippers in Cornish-speaking Cornwall and there was a revolt!