From old England

[Ian Day]

Looking forward to fellowship with Gospel Christians across the pond.

 

[Genevanpreacher]

Welcome. Hope you have much good stuff to contribute!

[John81]

As long as coffee and tea are both acceptable per each persons preference.

[Alimantado]

Welcome back, Covenanter! Do you know, it so happens your forum companion GenevanPreacher has just returned to the forum as well? Life is full of little coincidences.

[John81]

Just now, Alimantado said:

Welcome back, Covenanter! Do you know, it so happens your forum companion GenevanPreacher has just returned to the forum as well? Life is full of little coincidences.

It's those little ones that make the larger ones more bearable!

 

[Alimantado]

Hmmmm, John.

[John81]

5 minutes ago, Alimantado said:

Hmmmm, John.

Which office are you running for?

[wretched]

56 minutes ago, Alimantado said:

Welcome back, Covenanter! Do you know, it so happens your forum companion GenevanPreacher has just returned to the forum as well? Life is full of little coincidences.

I am having a vision of more interesting arguments

[John81]

19 minutes ago, wretched said:

I am having a vision of more interesting arguments

Could we try for interesting discussions instead?

[wretched]

Just now, John81 said:

Could we try for interesting discussions instead?

Sure

[John81]

Just now, wretched said:

Sure

[Alan]

2 hours ago, Alimantado said:

Welcome back, Covenanter! Do you know, it so happens your forum companion GenevanPreacher has just returned to the forum as well? Life is full of little coincidences.

Brethren,

I am of the persuasion that Covenanter and Genevanpreacher are not back here on OnLine Baptist by mere coincidence. Both of these brethren are members of the same Presbyterian / Reformed Baptist forum. Here is the link to the formum that both of them regulary post on: http://www.reformedtheologyinstitute.com/

Below is a copy of the opening statement by one of the moderators of the Presbryterian / Reformed Baptist http://www.reformedtheologyinstitute.com/ All of the members of the aforementioned Presbyterian / Reformed Baptist forum must follow the dictates of the Westminster Standards.

"The RTI SoF (SoF) is a brief summary of various key doctrines held in one form or another by the majority of RTI members. The RTI SoF is a useful tool from which the new member or interested visitor may determine if their participation at RTI will be fruitful. It is the opinion of RTI management that the RTI SoF is generally in accord with the Scripturally-based Westminster Standards.

RTI does not require its members to explicitly state that they subscribe to any of the various Reformed Confessions. Nevertheless, the RTI SoF should be reviewed carefully before a person decides to join RTI or begins posting in our doctrinal forums. The RTI Statement of Faith, is the initial litmus test for the appropriateness of any discussion of doctrine. While members may disagree with various aspects of the RTI SoF, members are not free to openly challenge its underlying Scriptural truths or to publicly hold in disdain anyone agreeing with the RTI SoF. Anyone considering joining RTI having personal concerns with the RTI SoF is encouraged to contact the author of the SoF here: AMR AT askmrreligion DOT com."

end of quote

Is the Presbryterian / Reformed, "Westminster Confession of Faith," followed by any IFB church? None as far as I know. If my home church changed their statement of faith to the Presbyterian Westminster Confession of Faith I would immediately leave the church.

Is the Presbyterian / Reformed, "Westminster Confession of Faith," now a ' ... initital litmus test for the appropriateness of discussions of doctrine," applicable to discussions here on OnLine Baptist?

1 hour ago, wretched said:

I am having a vision of more interesting arguments

I am fearful that the doctrines of  Ian Day, GenevanPreacher, have not changed and therefore will lead to a redundant profusion of 'interesting arguments' as before.

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[Pastor Scott Markle]

9 minutes ago, Alan said:

RTI does not require its members to explicitly state that they subscribe to any of the various Reformed Confessions. Nevertheless, the RTI SoF should be reviewed carefully before a person decides to join RTI or begins posting in our doctrinal forums. The RTI Statement of Faith, is the initial litmus test for the appropriateness of any discussion of doctrine. While members may disagree with various aspects of the RTI SoF, members are not free to openly challenge its underlying Scriptural truths or to publicly hold in disdain anyone agreeing with the RTI SoF. Anyone considering joining RTI having personal concerns with the RTI SoF is encouraged to contact the author of the SoF here: AMR AT askmrreligion DOT com."

Wow!  That is a very strongly worded statement of boundary in relation to the doctrinal position of that particular forum and in relation to the purpose intended for that forum by its ownership and administration.  Now, I myself do not hold to the various Reformed Confessions as my doctrinal position on many matters.  However, I do think that the forcefulness of that statement is worthy of consideration for Online Baptist as a forum -- simply in relation to the doctrinal position that this particular forum is intended to represent.

[Alimantado]

4 hours ago, Alan said:

I am fearful that the doctrines of  Ian Day, GenevanPreacher, have not changed and therefore will lead to a redundant profusion of 'interesting arguments' as before.

Alan, and yet while they've been away, their particular profusion of 'interesting arguments' has been more than replaced in volume and frequency by another profusion of arguments, about there being multiple gospels and about how salvation isn't always by grace through faith alone. And this latter profusion appears to have been more widely tolerated on OB than the former.

[Alan]

2 hours ago, Alimantado said:

Alan, and yet while they've been away, their particular profusion of 'interesting arguments' has been more than replaced in volume and frequency by another profusion of arguments, about there being multiple gospels and about how salvation isn't always by grace through faith alone. And this latter profusion appears to have been more widely tolerated on OB than the former.

Sad to say, that is correct. The multiple gospels presented should not be tolerated.

Even though that is correct, in my opinion, Covenanter (Ian Day), was the cause a lot of uncalled for needless arguments. His non-biblical, non-IFB doctrines, strange beliefs, and twisting of my studies were uncalled for. The moderators banned him for just cause in my view.

In the past, in my Revelation Study, Covenanter used a Statement of Faith similar to the Westminster Confession of Faith to try and downgrade the KJV translation of the Bible and Prophetic Doctrine. Here Covenanter's (Ian Day's quote):

"What is the basis of the "truth" that you teach? You think it to be the KJV Scriptures, but do you know what the translators believed & taught? All believed  infant baptism, a last day second coming; covenant theology; & predestination. All subscribed to the  39 articles; which teach:

"IV Christ did truly rise again from death, and took again his body, with flesh, bones, and all things appertaining to the perfection of Man's nature; wherewith he ascended into Heaven, and there sitteth, until he return to judge all Men at the last day."

"VII The Old Testament is not contrary to the New: for both in the Old and New Testament everlasting life is offered to Mankind by Christ, who is the only Mediator between God and Man, being both God and Man. Wherefore there are not to be heard, which feign that the old Fathers did look only for transitory promises. Although the Law given from God by Moses, as touching Ceremonies and Rites, do not bind Christian men, nor the Civil precepts thereof ought of necessity to be received in any commonwealth; yet, notwithstanding, no Christian man whatsoever is free from the obedience of the Commandments which are called Moral.

"XVII Predestination to Life is the everlasting purpose of God, whereby (before the foundations of the world were laid) he hath constantly decreed by his counsel secret to us, to deliver from curse and damnation those whom he hath chosen in Christ out of mankind, and to bring them by Christ to everlasting salvation, as vessels made to honour. Wherefore, they which be endued with so excellent a benefit of God be called according to God's purpose by his Spirit working in due season: they through Grace obey the calling: they be justified freely: they be made sons of God by adoption: they be made like the image of his only-begotten Son Jesus Christ: they walk religiously in good works, and at length, by God's mercy, they attain to everlasting felicity." 

"XXVII Baptism is not only a sign of profession, and mark of difference, whereby Christian men are discerned from others that be not christened, but is also a sign of Regeneration or new Birth, whereby, as by an instrument, they that receive Baptism rightly are grafted into the Church; the promises of the forgiveness of sin, and of our adoption to be the sons of God by the Holy Ghost, are visibly signed and sealed; Faith is confirmed, and Grace increased by virtue of prayer unto God. The Baptism of young Children is in any wise to be retained in the Church, as most agreeable with the institution of Christ."

END OF QUOTE

Here is the link to the Revelation study on which the quote is from: http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23115-revelation-chapter-19-22-study/?page=11

Covenanter, Ian Day, besides his agreeing with the "Westminster Confession of Faith," uses the NIV in his church and the KJV on OnLine Baptist. Is that the mark of a JKV only individual? For your information, if you ckeck out the Presbryterian / Reformed Baptist forum you will discover that the KJV is derided and scorned by some. Ian Day is worse than the current crop of 'salvation by faith and works,' heretical teachings.

 

Covenanter is a folllower of the NIV, Presbryterian / Reformed Baptist crowd. By reason of his close (Covenanter is a regular, highly thought of, contributor), association with the Reformed Baptist / Presbyterian forum, his loyalty is with them and the Westminster Confession of Faith.

Brethren, you need to read that Presbyterian, Calvanistic heretical document. Instead of two church ordinances they practice two 'sacraments." Is baptism a sacrament?  Is the Lord's Supper a sacrament?

Quite frankly, compared to Covenanter (Ian Day), our current crop of 'salvation by faith by works' proponants are mild.

Alan

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