Tragedy

[deafnva77]

my cousin was in an institution because he became violent (his mother's side of family were dyfuntional anyway, my uncle was heartbroken about his son's whole situation). I think he is doing ok today. It's heartbreaking when you want your children to grow up healthy and happy and it turns out like this. I hope he will get better.

[John81]

Our pastor said something to me today when I was discussing this with him, something that I have thought about but hadn't yet shared with him, and that is that Tim seems to be showing some of the classic traits of what they call a sociopath.

He knows what is said to be right and wrong but is convinced it doesn't apply to him if he doesn't believe it should.

When he lies he seems to really believe the lies in his own head.

Anyone who attempts to enforce rules that he doesn't like is viewed with contempt or hatred.

When he does wrong he fails to see it as wrong even when he can recite the rules broken and wrong done.

He feels no remorse or sorrow for anything he's done wrong.

He views all of his actions as justifiable simply because he says so.

He will not acknowledge the pain, hurt and wrong he's inflicted upon others but feels he is wronged all the time by virtually everyone.

Unless he opens his heart to the work of the Holy Ghost I truly fear for him and I'm really afraid of what he might eventually do to someone else.

[Anon]

That could apply to alot of people...my firstborn shows some of that as well....he has made a profession of salvation and still seems to show a tender heart though, so hopefully he will improve with time.

Scary for a parent though.

[Lee-Anne]

John; my heart is just sinking.....................Looking to our Saviour for answers for your precious family. Praying for you.

With much love;
Dave and Lee-Anne

[John81]

That could apply to alot of people...my firstborn shows some of that as well....he has made a profession of salvation and still seems to show a tender heart though, so hopefully he will improve with time.

Scary for a parent though.

True enough, a variety of people show SOME of these signs, but those who show them all and continue in this over years are far fewer.

I worried about some of these things when he was younger but prayed he would come out of it as he got older; prayed he would come to Christ at an early age. Sadly, very sadly, neither of these happened. He is less than two months from being 15 and it seems these evils are compounding quickly.

We had a confrontation just a little while ago. His mother wanted him to do some work in the garden. I checked on him and he wasn't doing what he was told so I told him to get to it. I checked again and found him just standing there. I watched him just standing there for several minutes and finally said something to him. He said he was watching a spider so I told him to do the work his mother told him to do. He just kept standing there so I had to repeat myself. He then slowly began to work. I checked yet again and he wasn't even in the garden and the little work he had done he didn't do it the way he was told. Soo...

I told him to get in the house, get cleaned up and get himself ready for bed. He had a fit. Stomping through the house, didn't dry his hands after washing them and sprayed water around the dining room, stomped up the stairs (and I followed him), he grabbed his pajamas and threw them hard on his desk, jerked his laundry hamper around and threw each piece of clothing into it. I finally told him enough with the attitude. He then DEMANDED that I feed him supper right NOW. I told him if he didn't stop with the attitude and throwing things around he might not get supper. He DEMANDED that he get supper RIGHT NOW. I told him to cut the attitude or just go to bed without supper. He gave me a defiant and hateful glare and proceeded to stomp to his bed, get in and turn his back to me. And that's where I left him.

I'm going to have our youngest son sleep in the living room tonight.

[John81]

John; my heart is just sinking.....................Looking to our Saviour for answers for your precious family. Praying for you.

With much love;
Dave and Lee-Anne

Thank you so much!

Ever since the police were here last night it seems his heart has fully hardened. I believe only God can reach him now and prayers by the saints of God is exactly what is needed most at this time.

[Anon]

I guess it scares me too because we have trouble with my oldest...stuff just doesn't seem to get through to him very easily. The only consolation I have is that it DOES seem like he is honestly trying...but again, he's only eight. I feel your pain.... how horrifying.

[Guest Guest]

John my wife and I are going through the same thing with her older son 19 it is not fun. Intense Psychotherapy is what we were told. He believes he is saved and those things but does not think relationships with others apply. Sorry to hear this and I apologize for being a jerk the other night. He is 19 so he makes his own decisions we found out to late. So for you do all you can before he is old enough to make his own choices. Tank

[John81]

John my wife and I are going through the same thing with her older son 19 it is not fun. Intense Psychotherapy is what we were told. He believes he is saved and those things but does not think relationships with others apply. Sorry to hear this and I apologize for being a jerk the other night. He is 19 so he makes his own decisions we found out to late. So for you do all you can before he is old enough to make his own choices. Tank

It's terrible to see so many kids/youth turning out this way. I don't know if it's happening more now or we can just see it more now than before.

Scripture does indicate that the closer we get to the end, the more children will be disobedient and seek their own way.

Thank you for your words Tank!

[Guest Guest]

It's terrible to see so many kids/youth turning out this way. I don't know if it's happening more now or we can just see it more now than before.

Scripture does indicate that the closer we get to the end, the more children will be disobedient and seek their own way.

Thank you for your words Tank!

Even though we have obvious diffences John you are what I call a good dude. My wife just told me he is coming to get some things in our storage the sad thing is we cannot even trust him to go over there himself. Tank

[John81]

Even though we have obvious diffences John you are what I call a good dude. My wife just told me he is coming to get some things in our storage the sad thing is we cannot even trust him to go over there himself. Tank

Unfortunately, I know the feeling. We can't trust our oldest son in the kitchen by himself, and now we don't even trust him enough to let our 10 year old sleep in the same room he's sleeping in. I have to search his room almost daily and now I will have to search his backpack before he goes to school.

[Guest Guest]

Even though we have obvious diffences John you are what I call a good dude. My wife just told me he is coming to get some things in our storage the sad thing is we cannot even trust him to go over there himself. Tank

I can certainly feel the pain of Christian parents. John...this breaks my heart, and although I won't be on OB much (I am tapering off as we move to our new home) I will keep your son in my prayers. I have to keep an eye on Mark...night and day. His dad is out of town again (flying to 4 states.) The last two times his dad went out of town for business, Mark got into trouble. I told Mark that he got into trouble because God is watching out for him. :thumb His dad is unsaved...but, he is VERY strict. :cooldude: The problem, though, is that his dad is a "do as I say...not, as I do man." So? Joe and I have to set the example ALL the time.


I truly believe in what the scripture says about our youth..."there will come a generation..." This is very disturbing because of the evils in society. I see this everywhere. I think a combination of church and psychology is essential these days for some children and teens. They do have to deal with a lot in society. Far more than what we had to deal with.


I will also keep your older son in my prayers...Tank. We are all stressed out, and really need to look to Our Saviour for our answers. It is so hard to live in this sin-filled world...but, Christ will be our guide. Thank God for our churches and this board. :amen:

[John81]

Thank you for your prayers Molly. I pray Mark will choose the straight and narrow way.

[Guest Guest]

Unfortunately, I know the feeling. We can't trust our oldest son in the kitchen by himself, and now we don't even trust him enough to let our 10 year old sleep in the same room he's sleeping in. I have to search his room almost daily and now I will have to search his backpack before he goes to school.

As I step parent I stepped bak and the second oldest whom I have a great relationship with was exposed to pornography through the elder. It was happening for about a year. Before then I knew something was wrong but he had my wife conviced I was out to get him. It was not true I simply want the best for my kids and saw that he was not honest and bullied his mother into his way. I had to save my marriage so I steped back and it all unfolded he even tried to set the house on fire. My wife and his Grandparents decided it would be best if he lived with them. Know we realize we should have had him committed. He is worse now and thinks eveyone owes him something. I tried to do my best and it is in the Lords hands now. Do all you can while he is under your guardianship after he is of age you have virtually no control. Tank

[Guest Guest]

Thank you for your prayers Molly. I pray Mark will choose the straight and narrow way.

Thanks, John. I pray that, too. Actually, I pray that for all of today's youth. :pray It is a wicked world out there. If it is hard for us...then?