9 - 11?

[John81]

Well, I understood Jerry's original post but I don't know if that's testament to my Bachelor's degree or a comment upon my simple-mindedness. :smile

In any event, while what occured on 9-11-01 was terrible, in the scheme of things it nowhere rates the attention given to it nor the terrible turns the government took as a result of it.

When considering what has happened in American history there have been far greater disasters and we have faced far greater threats and yet many of them are mostly lost to history. No or few memorials, no days of remembrance, and no destruction of citizens rights in response to a foreign attack.

Two buildings were destroyed, which is no great loss. I think they say slightly less than 3,000 lives were lost, which is terrible but when compared to the numbers lost in past tragedies and attacks, this incident hardly rates the overabundant and distracting attention it's given.

I find it very hard to believe previous generations would have reacted even remotely in the manner the current generation has reacted. Consider World War Two and how long it took to put together a national memorial for those who fought in that war.

Both the government and the media have blown this event way out of proportion for their own ends.

Meanwhile, while Christians are distracted by all of this, the Bush Administration has been busy working to sell Israel out and it's clear McCain would follow the same path and Obama would as well.

Bush has worked hard to force Israel to give up "land for peace". Land to the Palestinians, land to the Syrians, etc. He continues to push for this, which continues to embolden the Arabs/Muslims to press for this as conditions for "peace". Bush has spoken of the need for a "shared" Jerusalem. Bush gives millions upon millions of dollars to the enemies of Israel, including the Palestinians and the government in Lebanon which helps support Hezbollah which is intent upon the destruction of Israel; as well as many other anti-Israel governments and groups.

Why do we continually see one "natural disaster" after another hitting America? A simple reading of the Old Testament makes it clear how God uses such events in an attempt to wake a sinning people up and to turn them to Him. This year alone we had a devestating tornado season, massive flooding in the Midwest, droughts in other parts of the country, hurricanes and now another hurricane, the large Ike.

Could it be that America has so turned from God He is chastising us? Could it be that America has been turning more and more against Israel and God isn't pleased?

[kevinmiller]

We've never had an attack on American soil that has been even close to the magnitude or hit as close to home as 9/11 did. 9/11 was unlike anything this country has ever seen in its short existence.

[John81]

We've never had an attack on American soil that has been even close to the magnitude or hit as close to home as 9/11 did. 9/11 was unlike anything this country has ever seen in its short existence.

Ever heard of the War of 1812?

Ever heard of the various Indian Wars?

For instance.

[kevinmiller]

Nobody is around today that's experienced those wars. lol
And those were at the very beginning of our country and, while more lives were lost, it wasn't as shocking as a terrorist attack where thousands of innocent civilians were killed. You expect risks and deaths in war. You don't expect your friends and family who are just out working an honest job to be burned alive inside their offices. That's horrific and we would all do well to honor and grieve together for them.

[John81]

Nobody is around today that's experienced those wars. lol
And those were at the very beginning of our country and, while more lives were lost, it wasn't as shocking as a terrorist attack where thousands of innocent civilians were killed. You expect risks and deaths in war. You don't expect your friends and family who are just out working an honest job to be burned alive inside their offices. That's horrific and we would all do well to honor and grieve together for them.

The attack was a matter of war. America has been engaged, to one degree or another in these "wars" for three decades or more. America has been the target and has targetted various groups and countries engaged in these "Islamic wars" for 30-some years. Everyone knew that eventually someone would manage to strike inside America, it was only a matter of time. This wasn't something that should have been considered unexpected. If you recall, for many years the government and various "experts" had been warning such an attack was a matter of "when" not "if".

America has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians, both in their homes and at work, over the course of the past hundred years. Sometimes this has been accidental, sometimes as a matter of strategy. Civilian losses are nothing new and not uncommon in war, especially in gurilla type warfare.

This tragedy has been blown far out of proportion.

[kevinmiller]

Wow, I really really like you John but I'm kind of shocked by the way you feel about 9/11. Any loss of human life is a tragedy and this was a loss of 3,000 lives on our own soil. Not to mention three of America's greatest buildings were destroyed, including an extremely important government building. It was an incredible tragedy and you almost seem callous to it. :sad

[Anon]

I don't like to over sensationalize things but I do think 9/11 is a very grave day and worthy of remembrance.

[Guest Guest]

Well, I understood Jerry's original post but I don't know if that's testament to my Bachelor's degree or a comment upon my simple-mindedness. :smile

In any event, while what occured on 9-11-01 was terrible, in the scheme of things it nowhere rates the attention given to it nor the terrible turns the government took as a result of it.

When considering what has happened in American history there have been far greater disasters and we have faced far greater threats and yet many of them are mostly lost to history. No or few memorials, no days of remembrance, and no destruction of citizens rights in response to a foreign attack.

Two buildings were destroyed, which is no great loss. I think they say slightly less than 3,000 lives were lost, which is terrible but when compared to the numbers lost in past tragedies and attacks, this incident hardly rates the overabundant and distracting attention it's given.

I find it very hard to believe previous generations would have reacted even remotely in the manner the current generation has reacted. Consider World War Two and how long it took to put together a national memorial for those who fought in that war.

Both the government and the media have blown this event way out of proportion for their own ends.

Meanwhile, while Christians are distracted by all of this, the Bush Administration has been busy working to sell Israel out and it's clear McCain would follow the same path and Obama would as well.

Bush has worked hard to force Israel to give up "land for peace". Land to the Palestinians, land to the Syrians, etc. He continues to push for this, which continues to embolden the Arabs/Muslims to press for this as conditions for "peace". Bush has spoken of the need for a "shared" Jerusalem. Bush gives millions upon millions of dollars to the enemies of Israel, including the Palestinians and the government in Lebanon which helps support Hezbollah which is intent upon the destruction of Israel; as well as many other anti-Israel governments and groups.

Why do we continually see one "natural disaster" after another hitting America? A simple reading of the Old Testament makes it clear how God uses such events in an attempt to wake a sinning people up and to turn them to Him. This year alone we had a devestating tornado season, massive flooding in the Midwest, droughts in other parts of the country, hurricanes and now another hurricane, the large Ike.

Could it be that America has so turned from God He is chastising us? Could it be that America has been turning more and more against Israel and God isn't pleased?

John. I felt that it needed repeating. :thumb

[Guest Guest]

We've never had an attack on American soil that has been even close to the magnitude or hit as close to home as 9/11 did. 9/11 was unlike anything this country has ever seen in its short existence.

True. Terrorism is NOT war. And, 9-11 was horrible. I do see John's point, though, although...I feel that all these tragedies need NOT be forgotten. And, as John said...hey, I really think that God is sending us a message. And, we still run around getting concerned about the things that don't really seem to matter in the long run. What is important to God Almighty? I think we all know as Christians...the answer to that one. :smile

[Guest Guest]

America has been engaged' date=' to one degree or another in these "wars" for three decades or more. America has been the target and has targetted various groups and countries engaged in these "Islamic wars" for 30-some years. Everyone knew that eventually someone would manage to strike inside America, it was only a matter of time. This wasn't something that should have been considered unexpected. If you recall, for many years the government and various "experts" had been warning such an attack was a matter of "when" not "if".[/quote']


This is my whole point of reading up on materials that may NOT seem worthy, but, I assure you this Builderbergers Group is NOT something that we can shut our eyes upon. Isn't it better to be informed? Look what happened on 9-11. It WAS expected to happen...yet, no one seemed to take it seriously. Sorry, but, I would rather be safe than sorry.


My hubby won't let ANYTHING get past the front door, back door, windows, etc... that is NOT inivited. LOL...you'd be a fool to break into my house. We don't take kindly to criminals around here. White-Collar criminals exist ALL over the world. They aren't just as well-known. Let's keep VERY alert, Christians. We don't need to live in fear...we just need to be cautious. Kinda like what you tell your children about NOT talking to strangers. Same philosophy. :thumb

[JerryNumbers]

Man loves to bring glory and praise upon man. And such things as this is great for the politicians, it gets them great headlines in the news and put them before the American public in favorable light. And the politician try and get just as many miles out of such stuff as they can.

But the more man glorifies and praises man, the further they turn from God.

[Guest Guest]

True. Terrorism is NOT war. And, 9-11 was horrible. I do see John's point, though, although...I feel that all these tragedies need NOT be forgotten. And, as John said...hey, I really think that God is sending us a message. And, we still run around getting concerned about the things that don't really seem to matter in the long run. What is important to God Almighty? I think we all know as Christians...the answer to that one. :smile

BTW, terrorism is worse than war in the sense that these people have no reason for attacking innocent people. They "think" mind-control works...LOL. Think again, that is laughable. They are infidels. And, their is NO reasoning with terrorists, whatsoever. NONE! NOTTA! Get rid of them! Negotiating doesn't work, and is very pointless. The only thing that they understand is their noses under the barrel of a gun. They are out to kill...and, we need to get them before they get us. This Liberal nonsense is too much for me. What doesn't a pacifist get, exactly?

[Guest Guest]

Man loves to bring glory and praise upon man. And such things as this is great for the politicians, it gets them great headlines in the news and put them before the American public in favorable light. And the politician try and get just as many miles out of such stuff as they can.

But the more man glorifies and praises man, the further they turn from God.

Pastor Jerry. These people will be very sorry in the end. Acts 4:25-26...Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine (plot) vain things? The kings of the earth stood (took their stand) up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. KJV 1611 AV.

[John81]

The kind of terrorism we face today, the kind with regards to 9-11, is a form of war. These are Islamists who are intent upon converting the world to Islam or seeing non-Muslims exterminated. They are intent upon the destruction of Israel.

As we know, many (perhaps even most or all) of the major terror groups are supported and promoted by one or more governments. These terror groups serve as irregular, paramilitary organizations for these governments and for some Imans. This is war and has been for several decades.

America, European nations, Asian nations, etc., have all practiced this sort of war at one time or another. This is not new, it's just the scope of it has changed and some of the players have changed.

With regards to the attack on 9-11, there was no chance of America falling, no chance of America being conquered or invaded, no chance any of these terrorist groups could bring America to her knees.

With regards to the War of 1812, America was still a young nation finding herself once again at war with the most powerful nation on the planet. America was invaded, our capital captured and burned, our president and his family barely escaping. All American efforts to invade Canada failed and left America more vulnerable to greater invasion. Had Great Britain determined to put all-out effort into the war America could very well have fallen or at least lost a signifcant portion of her land.

I'm not trying to deny 9-11 was a tragedy, it was. It simply wasn't a tragedy of the magnitude the government and media have made it out to be.

In the meantime, Americans have been distracted from far greater threats: an out of control government, an economy on the brink of a major recession or possible depression, the massive influx of immigrants who are not Christians and don't hold to the ideas of the Constitution, a government steadily working against Israel and supporting her enemies, the murder of millions of unborn babies (this sin alone is a far greater tragedy occurring EVERY YEAR in America than what occured on 9-11), more people in prison in the "land of the free" than anywhere else on the planet, once solid churches drifting away from the faith once delivered, watered down churches sinking farther into the water, growth in the occult, New Ageism, and various cults, a nationwide shift away from God to humanism and worldliness, an ever growing acceptance of homosexuality as being "normal" and accepted under color of law, etc.

While the terrorists can't bring America down, these other threats have such a potential. This is so especially when one considers our just God can't allow these sins to continue and that He must bring judgement upon America. This judgement, I believe, has already begun and I see no real signs that America is heeding the warnings or allowing the chastisement to turn her to repentance. Rather I see a growing reliance upon man and his government as the solution rather than Christ and the God of Creation. Rather than turning to God in repentance I see people turning to the government and demanding more aid, more assistance, more programs.

Without Christ, America is doomed.

[Guest Guest]

WOW! Excellent post, John. Very well, said. And, so very true. :thumb