Primitive Baptists

[beameup]

Primitive Baptists, also known as Hard Shell Baptists, Anti-Mission Baptists, or Old School Baptists are conservative Baptists adhering to a degree of Calvinist beliefs that coalesced out of the controversy among Baptists in the early 1800s over the appropriateness of mission boards, Bible tract societies, and temperance societies. The adjective "Primitive" in the name has the sense of "original."  Primitive Baptist churches arose in the mountainous regions of the southeastern United States, where they are found in their greatest numbers.

Despite having emerged as a recognizable group in the early 19th century, Primitive Baptists trace their origins to the New Testament era, rather than to John Calvin. In fact, they oppose elements of Calvin's theology, such as infant baptism, and avoid the term "Calvinist."  However, they are Calvinist in the sense of holding strongly to the Five Points of Calvinism and they explicitly reject Arminianism.

 

Excerpt from WikiPedia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_Baptists

 

 

OK, so we are still looking for the "original Baptists" that predated the Reformation and were not part of it.

One poster suggested that John the Baptist started the Baptists (Genevapreacher?).

[2bLikeJesus]

 

 

OK, so we are still looking for the "original Baptists" that predated the Reformation and were not part of it.

One poster suggested that John the Baptist started the Baptists (Genevapreacher?).

 You keep creating multiple threads on the same subject.  Read my post that I moved from your original thread, the the second thread you opened on this subject.  I will not repost it to this third thread.  Are you purposely trying to muddy the issue by spreading the responses over as many threads as you can?  

[Genevanpreacher]

Primitive Baptists, also known as Hard Shell Baptists, Anti-Mission Baptists, or Old School Baptists are conservative Baptists adhering to a degree of Calvinist beliefs that coalesced out of the controversy among Baptists in the early 1800s over the appropriateness of mission boards, Bible tract societies, and temperance societies. The adjective "Primitive" in the name has the sense of "original."  Primitive Baptist churches arose in the mountainous regions of the southeastern United States, where they are found in their greatest numbers.

Despite having emerged as a recognizable group in the early 19th century, Primitive Baptists trace their origins to the New Testament era, rather than to John Calvin. In fact, they oppose elements of Calvin's theology, such as infant baptism, and avoid the term "Calvinist."  However, they are Calvinist in the sense of holding strongly to the Five Points of Calvinism and they explicitly reject Arminianism.

 

Excerpt from WikiPedia:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_Baptists

 

 

OK, so we are still looking for the "original Baptists" that predated the Reformation and were not part of it.

One poster suggested that John the Baptist started the Baptists (Genevapreacher?).

 

You really need to find another source of entertainment.

 

Why do you think God gave John the name of Baptist? He went into the wilderness John the son of Zacharias, and returned John the Baptist.

And according to Johns own words in John chapter 1 verse 33 "but he that sent me to baptize with water, he said unto me", he had a 

relationship with God that showed his purpose of introducing Jesus as Lord and Christ. An example follows in verse 36,

where he states, when seeing Jesus walk by, "Behold the Lamb of God". Just as he did, before explaining his purpose, in a previous verse,

verse 29, where he states "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sins of the world".

 

None of the translators of the Bible into English were Baptist. (unless I missed something)

Yet the English Bible has Baptist as the title that John is 'related' to. 

It is because John and us do the same type of ministry, we point out the Lamb of God that

takes away the sins of the world to lost people needing a shepherd.

[DaveW]

If this was a new member it would be considered spam. .....

[Standing Firm In Christ]

You are right, DaveW. 

[beameup]

 You keep creating multiple threads on the same subject.  Read my post that I moved from your original thread, the the second thread you opened on this subject.  I will not repost it to this third thread.

We have a member who stated that the Baptists started before the Reformation and were not part of the Reformation.

These "Primitive Baptists" claim that they are the original Church started by the Apostle Paul.  When was "Baptist" first used to describe a sect?

 

I realize that there are some posters who have no clue, and really do not want to know, and are opposed to posters that pose difficult questions.

Maybe they are more "sheepish" and don't really want to think about difficult subjects concerning faith...

 

Primitive Baptists trace their origins to the New Testament era

[DaveW]

Or maybe are not afraid of tough questions, just don't like people promoting rubbish.

[John81]

Three threads to try and link Baptists to Protestants and deny their pre-reformation existence, and in all this to attack Baptists and historical, biblical Baptist teaching.

 

In your other threads on the subject reliable sources were put forth giving examples of Baptist history yet you continue to site wikipedia, a source considered unreliable.

 

Yes, others here are correct, your false teachings and your attacks should not be allowed and if you or another had posted such when first joining the board the troll-like spamming would be beyond clear even as it should be beyond clear now.

 

Your false teachings and attacks are a direct assault upon the Lord and His Word, and then you attack His true followers by personal attacks upon sound members here and now you have launched into a series of attacks upon Baptists.

 

What more need we hear?

[Guest]

I'm a Baptist by affiliation and preference, I'm a Christian by the blood of Jesus Christ and that's WAY before any reformation or any Roman Church for that matter.

[2bLikeJesus]

Sigh....I guess I will keep posting an answer to as many threads he opens.  Sorry everyone for the spam response, but he keeps opening new threads on the same subject.

 

During every period of the "Dark Ages" there were in existence many Christians and many separate and independent Churches, some of them dating back to the times of the Apostles, which were never in any way connected with the Catholic Church. They always wholly rejected and repudiated the Catholics and their doctrines. This is a fact clearly demonstrated by credible history.

 

These Christians were the perpetual OBjects of bitter and relentless persecution. History shows that during the period of the "Dark Ages," about twelve centuries, beginning with A.D. 426, there were about fifty millions of these Christians who died martyr deaths. Very many thousands of others, both preceding and succeeding the "Dark Ages," died under the same hard hand of persecution.

 

These Christians, during these dark days of many centuries, were called by many different names, all given to them by their enemies. These names were sometimes given because of some specially prominent and heroic leader and sometimes from other causes; and sometimes, yea, many times, the same people, holding the same views, were called by different names in different localities. But amid all the many changes of names, there was one special name or rather designation, which clung to at least some of these Christians, throughout all the "Dark Ages," that designation being "Ana-Baptist." This compound word applied as a designation of some certain Christians was first found in history during the third century; and a suggestive factsoon after the origin of Infant Baptism, and a more suggestive fact even prior to the use of the name Catholic. Thus the name "Ana-Baptists" is the oldest denominational name in history.

 

A striking peculiarity of these Christians was and continued to be in succeeding centuries: They rejected the man-made doctrine of "Infant Baptism" and demanded rebaptism, even though done by immersion for all those who came to them, having been baptized in infancy. For this peculiarity they were called "Ana-Baptists."

 

This, special designation was applied to many of these Christians who bore other nicknames; especially is this true of the Donatists, Paulicians, Albigenses and Ancient Waldenses and others. In later centuries this designation came to be a regular name, applied to a distinct group. These were simply called "Ana- Baptists" and gradually all other names were dropped. Very early in the sixteenth century, even prior to the origin of the Lutheran Church, the first of all the Protestant Churches, the word "ana" was beginning to be left off, and they were simply called "Baptists."

 

Into the "dark ages" went a group of many churches which were never in any way identified with the Catholics. Out of the "dark ages" came a group of many churches, which had never been in any way identified with the Catholics.

 

The following are some of the fundamental doctrines to which they held when they went in: And the same are, the fundamental doctrines to which they held when they came out: And the same are the fundamental doctrines to which they now hold.

 

FUNDAMENTAL DOCTRINES

 

1. A spiritual Church, Christ its founder, its only head and law giver.

2. Its ordinances, only two, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. They are typical and memorial, not saving.

3. Its officers, only two, bishops or pastors and deacons; they are servants of the church.

4. Its Government, a pure Democracy, and that executive only, never legislative.

5. Its laws and doctrines: The New Testament and that only.

6. Its members. Believers only, they saved by grace, not works, through the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit.

7. Its requirements. Believers on entering the church to be baptized, that by immersion, then OBedience and loyalty to all New Testament laws.

8. The various churches--separate and independent in their execution of laws and discipline and in their responsibilities to God--but cooperative in work.

9. Complete separation of Church and State.

10. Absolute Religious liberty for all.

 

 

Bro. Garry

[beameup]

During every period of the "Dark Ages" there were in existence many Christians and many separate and independent Churches, some of them dating back to the times of the Apostles, which were never in any way connected with the Catholic Church. They always wholly rejected and repudiated the Catholics and their doctrines. This is a fact clearly demonstrated by credible history.

 

 

So then maybe you can explain why Catholic doctrines are being adopted by many Baptist churches?

There are even a couple of posters on this board that are of the "Replacement Theology" camp.

As well, there are others that (unknowingly?) have mixed "elements" of ancient Catholicism into their IFB doctrine.

 

Last time I checked, "Baptists" have more than 3 dozen "sects".  Hardly what I would call "unified".

Perhaps I should next address Jack Hyles and the "Baptist Brider" movement (you know John 3:29).

[DaveW]

Perhaps maybe you should go somewhere else and spread your poison?

[John81]

Teaching false gospels, teaching the shredding of Scripture, teaching falsehoods concerning Baptists in general and IFBs in particular. Why is he even allowed to remain?

[Jim_Alaska]

Teaching false gospels, teaching the shredding of Scripture, teaching falsehoods concerning Baptists in general and IFBs in particular. Why is he even allowed to remain?

 

Time for a mod to take a hand in this heresy? This is a stated IFB board and this guy is in no way IFB. Like Dave and John said, he needs to go somewhere else and spread his poison.

[Genevanpreacher]

Amen.