Members AVBibleBeliever Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 If you would like to respond, you can do so according to the content of the post written. I no longer wish too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 Luke 2:38 (KJV) 38 And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem. Anna the Prophetess ministered daily in the Temple, and in the verse above proclaimed to all that sought redemption that the Lord had come. No rebuke for her teaching. Why not? Because she had been given that authority to do so. Paul's statement to Timothy was his own personal conviction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 huh? Scripture and verse for where Jesus was told to jump off a mountain?Matthew 4:5 (KJV) 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, Matthew 4:6 (KJV) 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AVBibleBeliever Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 Matthew 4:5 (KJV) 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, Matthew 4:6 (KJV) 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. a pinnacle of the temple is not a mountain, sir.  In the case of the above verse it is 1. A turret, or part of a building elevated above the main building.  It is not a mountain, a pinnacle of the temple and a mountain are not the same thing. And you claimed that Satan told him to jump off the mountain and those words are not true to the text.  Is that part of inspired text?  to cast thyself down is, but to jump off a mountain it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 Do you know what the Temple Mount refers to? The Temple was on Mount Zion. He would have been casting Himself off the mountain in the act of casting Himself off the pinnacle of the Temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AVBibleBeliever Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 Do you know what the Temple Mount refers to? The Temple was on Mount Zion. He would have been casting Himself off the mountain in the act of casting Himself off the pinnacle of the Temple. When an honestly mistaken man is confronted with the truth, he must cease being mistaken, or stop being honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Salyan Posted January 31, 2014 Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2014 So it depends whether that particular pinnacle overlooked the interior of the temple mount or the exterior. If it was the exterior, it totally counts as a mountain. Since we aren't told, there's not much to argue about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AVBibleBeliever Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 So it depends whether that particular pinnacle overlooked the interior of the temple mount or the exterior. If it was the exterior, it totally counts as a mountain. Since we aren't told, there's not much to argue about. So should man's ideas and supposed logic trump the word of God? Â Is it not far easier to take the word of God as it stands? Â Why is it so many today would rather make the Bible say what they want it to say, instead of taking it as it stands? Â Is the Bible right or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ThePilgrim Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 When one obviously is an expert at quoting scripture and a loving Christian he should be able consider the difference between a pinnacle and a mountain of unimportance and consider the intent of the poster. I had no problem telling what the intent was. I also did not consider that the difference between a pinnacle and a mountain was important enough to question the posters character. One might consider this whole thing as making a mountain out of a mole hill.  God bless, Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Salyan Posted January 31, 2014 Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2014 So should man's ideas and supposed logic trump the word of God?  Is it not far easier to take the word of God as it stands?  Why is it so many today would rather make the Bible say what they want it to say, instead of taking it as it stands?  Is the Bible right or not?  The Bible's right, but it does not specify which particular pinnacle the devil took Christ too. If it was the pinnacle overlooking the court in front of temple - no mountain. If it was the pinnacle on the outer wall overlooking the Kidron Valley - well, anyone falling off it would pass not only the temple wall but also the cliffs before hitting bottom. You both could be right, and you both could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveW Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 Whilst I think the whole thing here is a bit dumb, and the details are not important in this particular item, and the whole argument has become petty, the plain fact is that a mistake was made when it was referred to as a mountain - the mature thing to do would be to say "Oops, I made a mistake. I meant the temple. Sorry! But it still doesn't change the point." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 Modern Dictionaries define a pinnacle as being a turret. But many ancient dictionaries give an entirely different definition for the word. For instance: Bailey's 1726 Dictionary PINNACLE [p:nacle, F. pinnacolo, Ital. ot pinna, L.j the Battlement or highest Top of a great Building or Spire ; fguratively, Eminence or Height. What was the highest pinnacle at the Temple?  Was it on the Temple itself? Was it on the side of the mountain? I believe it would have been where the most damage could have been done, hence the devil telling Jesus to throw Himself off. That said, I believe it would have been on the side of the mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 Also, we have the etymology of the word "pinnacle" Â pinnacle (n.) c.1300, "mountain, peak, promontory," from Old French pinacle "top, gable" (13c.) and directly from Late Latin pinnaculum "peak, pinnacle, gable," diminutive of Latin pinna "peak, point," (see pin (n.1)). Figurative use is attested from c.1400. The etymology reveals pinnacle to be speaking of a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaveW Posted January 31, 2014 Members Share Posted January 31, 2014 And the Bible verses quite clearly says "pinnacle of the Temple". It assigns directly the word pinnacle to the Temple itself. But who cares - it was not about that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted January 31, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 31, 2014 Wow. This thread is supposed to be about Christian fellowship? Â Â Dumb doesn't even begin to describe it. Â Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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