Are Christians That Drink Wine Not Saved?

[Standing Firm In Christ]

care to explain how sarcasm is bearing false witness???  You are the one to make the statement that 2 different Jesus' are being served. 

When one serves a Jesus that drank alcohol and another serves a Jesus that didn't drink alcohol, that's two different Jesus's.

Remember, there are many false christ's that are gone out into the world.

The boozing Jesus is one of those false christ's.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

¹⁵ Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

¹⁶ But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

¹⁷ And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

 

 

Me thinks you skipped a few steps.   Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee....(something is missing here)...let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Public sin is to be rebuked publically.  Jesus demonstrated this, Paul did as well.

[Alimantado]

one ounce of alcohol impairs man's ability to react properly... one ounce.

That is drunkenness, whether you want to admit it or not.

And if that person is drinking that one ounce on a daily basis, or even every other day, he is a habitual drunkard.

And no drunkard will inherit heaven.

 

 

Thanks for the response but it doesn't address any of my points. I wasn't talking about definitions of drunkeness.

[John81]

May the Lord God draw each of us to a gathering of our brothers and sisters in Christ today where we may be fed the meat of the Word and find growth in Christlikeness.

[robmac68]

When one serves a Jesus that drank alcohol and another serves a Jesus that didn't drink alcohol, that's two different Jesus's.

Remember, there are many false christ's that are gone out into the world.

The boozing Jesus is one of those false christ's.

I guess you have me on a technicality...I was kind of shocked that you wanted to come straight out and say HoS is not saved...Still did not give me an excuse to sarcasticaly say that you feel no one can know Jesus but by you.  It seems with a few of my last postings, i have moved from the subject of the thread to just being bitter...i apologize to all for my bitterness...I apologize to you for my false witness..

[Heir of Salvation]

These drinking people sure are not acting the least bit like David when he was confronted about his sins.

 

You are not Nathan........you seem to think you are, but, you are not.    You are condemning something as sin which is not a sin, that's why.  Nathan would not do that.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

One ounce of whiskey, five ounces of wine, or twelve ounces of beer have the same effect on a man that weighs 225 pounds... They bring him to a level of drunkenness. Drunkenness is sin whether you want to admit it or not.

Ephesians 5:18 (KJV) 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

One who drinks the "moderate" amount on a daily basis in the previous paragraph is a habitual drunkard.

1 Corinthians 6:9 (KJV) 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:10 (KJV) 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

God identifies drunkards as being unrighteous.

[Steve Schwenke]

 

I think this conversation has run its course....we are not covering any new ground, just rehashing the first 10 pages again....

 

 

Moving on....

In Christ,

[swathdiver]

Swath ...consistently stated, across many posts, that if someone who professes to be a Christian drinks any amount of alcohol at any point, it is proof there and then that actually they have never been born again and are not a Christian.

 

No I didn't.  If I believed that I would have had to have been saved again by Christ in my third year.

[The Glory Land]

This is speaking of both fermented wine and fruit of the vine???

 

 

Have you ever seen grape juice burst a leather bag? New wine in a old bag that is used can.

[The Glory Land]

 

I think this conversation has run its course....we are not covering any new ground, just rehashing the first 10 pages again....

 

 

Moving on....

In Christ,

 

 

 

If Obama can, so can we... 

[swathdiver]

Have you ever seen grape juice burst a leather bag? New wine in a old bag that is used can.

 

No but I did read about such in my Bible.  

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Have you ever seen grape juice burst a leather bag? New wine in a old bag that is used can.

New wine in new wine skins.  Let's look at that passage, shall we?

Luke 5:36-39 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old. And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

Now, Jesus said if new wine is put into new wineskins, both are preserved.  BOTH.  Both what?  Both the new wine and the wineskins.  Preserved.  Kept Unaltered.

The same unfermented wine that is put in the skins is kept from fermenting... it is preserved. 

 

[Standing Firm In Christ]

No but I did read about such in my Bible.  

Campbell explains that passage well on pages 141-144 of his book.
 

[John81]

Campbell explains that passage well on pages 141-144 of his book.
 

I've ate a lot of his chicken noodle soup over the years.