Are Christians That Drink Wine Not Saved?

[JerryNumbers]

It's called humor...try it some time...it works better than alcohol!

 

1Ti 5:24 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
1Ti 5:25 Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

 

Alcohol is an open sin.  The worst of it is DEFENDING it as if it were NOT a sin...

So when you cast yourself upon God's throne, do you have a can of beer in your hand? Or a glass of wine?  With your CCM music in your headphones?  See, that doesn't work.  When you "beg for mercy" there should also be an attitude of repentance!  If you are not willing to repent of your sin, your pleas for mercy are of no avail!

 

I am not being self-righteous.  I am confident in my stand on this issue, but I am not fool enough to say "I am better than you because I don't drink alcohol."  Sin is sin, and my job as a preacher is to rebuke those who engage in sin.  My job is to preach against sin - ALL SIN - including pride, gluttony, intemperance, laziness, dishonesty, drunkenness, licentiousness, fornication, adultery, and "THE THOUGHT OF FOOLISHNESS" (Prov. 24:9)....

 

The hardest thing for a preacher to do is to preach against HIS OWN SINS...but if he is an honest man, he will, and hit the altar during the preparation of the sermon, before preaching it, and after preaching it....and then work on that area of his life.

 

It is my desire that all that I minister would be as close to Christ as they can.  They cannot be close to Christ is they are constantly feeding their selfish, fleshly desires....

 

2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

 

These drinking people sure are not acting the least bit like David when he was confronted about his sins.

 

2Sa 12:5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:

2Sa 12:6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.

 

2Sa 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

 

No, they will only defend it, them call us self righteous.

 

Least they've been exposed to the truth about alcoholic beverages.

 

I will leave them with some real good reading material on the subject, hopefully they will take time to read them.

 

Liquid Devil! by By Dr. Hugh Pyle

 

Should Christians Drink Wine by Curtis Hutson

[robmac68]

I love it when people make such accusations as you do, Why?

 

Because the only defense they have is to tear down the other person, you feel in doing that it will make you look good before the others reading this topic while making me look like a hypocrite.

 

NO, no where on this forum in the  25,015 posts I've made up to this time will you find the word by me saying, "I Have Surrender All," yet if you search those 25,015 posts you will find post that I made saying & admiring that "I come way to short of the glory of God."

 

And lastly, you need to stop predicting what someone feels when they post on this board, for its only God who can read the heart or man & your not God.

 

You need to stop the drinking & defending drinking, for it makes for a very bad influence & witness for our Lord & Savior & stop trying to read the hearts of those you disagree.

Why you ask?  For one, because the same thing you are accusing me of is what prompted me to post that reply because I felt you were making such accusations and you were the one tearing down.  REason I came to the conclusion:  you posted that song "I Surrender All" with an accusation that I am refusing to surrender my alcohol. 

Right here where I just now quoted you again, you say I need to stop the drinking and defending drinking.  Please show me one of my posts on this thread where I defend drinking or admit I drink.  Jerry, I do not drink nor do I believe a Christian should drink, especially if they are looking for Spiritual growth.  Now if the Christian is not looking for growth, I will not call it a sin if they are drinking a glass of wine with dinner, but think about it.  If such a Christian is not focused on growth, they have more problems than just a glass of wine with dinner. 

[robmac68]

Yes, as I said earlier, they either repent or ................................................................

 

Seems they would go to the ends of this earth to defend their sins of pleasure.

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[Alimantado]

We are at least back again at the OP and because most here don't believe that someone who drinks alcohol is necessarily unsaved, it's worth pointing out that this view isn't universal on this forum. SFIC and Swath have both consistently stated, across many posts, that if someone who professes to be a Christian drinks any amount of alcohol at any point, it is proof there and then that actually they have never been born again and are not a Christian.

 

Also, Steve's brought up an interesting related point. What sins, if any, can one be unaware of committing or having commited, and therefore not be repentant of, and yet still be saved? When I say unaware I mean a scenario whereby they've studied and concluded that X is not a sin when actually it is.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

We are at least back again at the OP and because most here don't believe that someone who drinks alcohol is necessarily unsaved, it's worth pointing out that this view isn't universal on this forum. SFIC and Swath have both consistently stated, across many posts, that if someone who professes to be a Christian drinks any amount of alcohol at any point, it is proof there and then that actually they have never been born again and are not a Christian.

 

Also, Steve's brought up an interesting related point. What sins, if any, can one be unaware of committing or having commited, and therefore not be repentant of, and yet still be saved? When I say unaware I mean a scenario whereby they've studied and concluded that X is not a sin when actually it is.

You may want to go back and read my posts more closely, Al...

My contention is that those who teach that Christ drank alcohol and gave it to others to drink are unsaved.  They are obviously not serving the same Christ I serve. 

Theirs drinks alcohol... mine does not.

HoS is one such poster that follows a drunkard christ and therefore cannot be saved.

 

[robmac68]

You may want to go back and read my posts more closely, Al...

My contention is that those who teach that Christ drank alcohol and gave it to others to drink are unsaved.  They are obviously not serving the same Christ I serve. 

Theirs drinks alcohol... mine does not.

HoS is one such poster that follows a drunkard christ and therefore cannot be saved.

 

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[ASongOfDegrees]

I have to apologize to the moderators about my comment in another thread about female moderators shutting down threads to soon. They sure proved me wrong on this one. I would have closed this baby long ago.

 

I Corinthians 6:12- All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

 

I Corinthians 10:23- All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me."
 
SFiC saith," I am the way, the truth and the knowledge: no man comes to Jesus but by me because I am the only one that knows the real Jesus." 
 
Its kind of a leap to actually think one knows Christ well enough at the time of salvation to make the determination whether He drank or not.

you bear false witness against me. Get thee hence, satan (enemy)

[robmac68]

I have to apologize to the moderators about my comment in another thread about female moderators shutting down threads to soon. They sure proved me wrong on this one. I would have closed this baby long ago.

 

I Corinthians 6:12- All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

 

I Corinthians 10:23- All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

2 great verses I've used against addictions such as smoking.

[ASongOfDegrees]

2 great verses I've used against addictions such as smoking.

Our motivation now should be the law of Christ (i.e. our love for our Savior) not the law of Moses (i.e. fear of going to hell).

[John81]

I have to apologize to the moderators about my comment in another thread about female moderators shutting down threads to soon. They sure proved me wrong on this one. I would have closed this baby long ago.

 

I Corinthians 6:12- All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

 

I Corinthians 10:23- All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

While there does come a point at times when a thread needs locked, that should be the last recourse. We here claim to be mature Christians. A Mod, or even just another member, should be able to call for those who post in an unchristian manner to stop doing so, and we should recognize our offense, repent, apologize and carry on the discussion in Christian civility or refrain from posting.

 

Typically there are only a few here that violate such a great deal. Perhaps Mods could address them directly so others can carry on discussions. As we've seen in the past, if a thread is locked that simply halts what's going on in that thread. The bad attitude and unchristian style postings then simply show up in other threads.

[Alimantado]

You may want to go back and read my posts more closely, Al...

My contention is that those who teach that Christ drank alcohol and gave it to others to drink are unsaved.  They are obviously not serving the same Christ I serve. 

Theirs drinks alcohol... mine does not.

HoS is one such poster that follows a drunkard christ and therefore cannot be saved.

 

 

Pretty much everyone who believes drinking alcohol isn't in of itself a sin will not be holding in contention the possibility that Jesus drank alcohol at some point, precisely because they don't think it's a sin.

So what you've said above is a distinction without a difference. In effect, anyone who claims to be a Christian and touches alcohol is "not serving the same Christ" as you and therefore isn't actually a Christian. Ergo my point stands.

Furthermore, here are a few examples of comments you've made that lead to the conclusion that anyone who drinks alcohol is not saved:

"So many are in hell today because they don't know what the Bible says concerning alcohol..."

"Just one drink... that is all it takes to put one on the road to destruction."

"You can continue to reason out ways to justify your sin all you want, but I am afraid that if you don't repent, you will one day hear the Savior say, Depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fires prepared for the devil and his angels... I never knew you."

If not knowing what the Bible says concerning alcohol means one goes to hell, then it logically follows that no matter how contrite one is about their sin nature, their propensity to sin, and the multitude of sins they've commited, and no matter how repentant, failure to recognise that sin means that Jesus will turn them away. QED.

[robmac68]

you bear false witness against me. Get thee hence, satan (enemy)

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[robmac68]

you bear false witness against me. Get thee hence, satan (enemy)

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[Standing Firm In Christ]

Pretty much everyone who believes drinking alcohol isn't in of itself a sin will not be holding in contention the possibility that Jesus drank alcohol at some point, precisely because they don't think it's a sin.

So what you've said above is a distinction without a difference. In effect, anyone who claims to be a Christian and touches alcohol is "not serving the same Christ" as you and therefore isn't actually a Christian. Ergo my point stands.

Furthermore, here are a few examples of comments you've made that lead to the conclusion that anyone who drinks alcohol is not saved:

"So many are in hell today because they don't know what the Bible says concerning alcohol..."

"Just one drink... that is all it takes to put one on the road to destruction."

"You can continue to reason out ways to justify your sin all you want, but I am afraid that if you don't repent, you will one day hear the Savior say, Depart from me ye cursed into everlasting fires prepared for the devil and his angels... I never knew you."

If not knowing what the Bible says concerning alcohol means one goes to hell, then it logically follows that no matter how contrite one is about their sin nature, their propensity to sin, and the multitude of sins they've commited, and no matter how repentant, failure to recognise that sin means that Jesus will turn them away. QED.

one ounce of alcohol impairs man's ability to react properly... one ounce.

That is drunkenness, whether you want to admit it or not.

And if that person is drinking that one ounce on a daily basis, or even every other day, he is a habitual drunkard.

And no drunkard will inherit heaven.