Did You Ever Preach On The Subject Tattoos

[Salyan]

You make some good statements here. There is plenty of room within Scripture to state a case wherein things which are not specifically forbidden are un-advised etc....I agree with you here.
As far as "appearing to do evil", I don't support the common understanding of having all Christian Liberty, however, being subject to the whims of people who insist on adding commands to God's word. I take it you are appealing to mainly this passage:
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
If you are appealing to this passage to mean that a Christian cannot do what some-one else might consider "wrong" or a sin, even if it isn't a sin, than I believe you are miss-applying that verse. Many people commonly do. There isn't a thing in the Universe practically, that I can't dredge up SOME deranged group to insist is a "sin". Do you chain yourself to refusing to drink Coca-Cola or drink coffee because Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons consider it evil? That verse is talking about avoiding an "appearance" or "manifestation" of an evil or possible evil as a tactic to avoid sinning. It tells us to avoid any area wherein sin will manifest itself or even likely manifest itself so that we do not stumble. The word "appearance" is being understood in a manner in which the translators did not intend it to be understood. That's what was meant by "appearance" to the mind of the translator 400 yrs. ago.

It doesn't mean:
"Brother and Sister gossip might see you at a movie Theatre and naturally assume the worst about you." You see you "appear" to be doing something they (probably un-Scripturally) consider to be evil. Let them. That's what Pharisees do.

Agreed.

[swathdiver]

1.) I am using and specifically exegeting the Scripture itself and ONLY  The Scripture itself for my statements.  Taking them directly within their grammatico-historical context and applying it to mean precisely what they say without added opinion onto them.

2.) I see you have abandoned making your case further from the Scriptures themselves.  If you had a stronger Scriptural argument to make, then you would make it; but you won't because you cannot.  You may have an opinion, and that is fine.  But if you are preaching that tattooing is inherently sinful in all contexts, than you are adding commands to the Word of God that are merely traditions of men.   Good traditions of men perhaps, but not Biblical commands. 

3.) You have no intention of bothering to actually pray for a faceless, nameless internet persona whom you know nothing about concerning a non-topic.  No reason to suggest as much.  If you do, than you might look into better stewardship of your time.  Might I suggest meditating on whether your doctrines come from Scripture, or whether you read yours into them.

 

1.  Them words are so big I have no idea what they mean.

2.  You cannot bring yourself to print out the entire verse on tattoos and seem to dance around the topic.  Me thinks you like your ink.

3.  So you called me a liar.  Yes, I did pray for you and I pray for many on this forum and others across the world, at the gas station, in my church, wherever.  I don't have any doctrines, I've turned my will over to the Lord to do with me as He wishes.  I'm always wrong about something, but not usually because of pride but rather ignorance.  

[Heir of Salvation]

2.  You cannot bring yourself to print out the entire verse on tattoos and seem to dance around the topic.  Me thinks you like your ink.

 

What good does printing the "whole verse" again do? It's already been done on this thread. We probably all have it memorized by now.  But, since it makes such a difference to you, here goes:
Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.

This verse does nothing to condemn all tattooing in and of itself for all peoples and in all contexts. 

Why not simply quote it yourself?  Theoretically, at face value, it wouldn't even condemn one of those obnoxious butterfly or rose tattoos girls like to put on their ankles.  Are they pointless, ill-advised, and stupid?  Yes, I think so, but the context  clearly about "cuttings" (which were usually intentional 3-dimensional scars, not simply ink)...and for the purposes specifically of pagan religious practice.  This verse condemns absolutely nothing else. 

Your argument against tattooing should come from Scripture alone, and Lev. 19:28 simply doesn't do it for you.  I have no problems whatsoever with directing the debate entirely towards Scripture alone.  In fact I insist on it.  Because I know that there is simply no passage whatsoever in the entirety of the Bible which renders tattooing inherently sinful and in all contexts.  If there were one, you would have supplied it by now, instead of nit-picking every statement I make and suggesting that I am "avoiding" any Scriptures.  What Scriptures pray-tell am I avoiding? you haven't posted any.  And you haven't because they don't exist, and I think you know that.

 

3.  So you called me a liar.  Yes, I did pray for you.....

 

I did not and I supply two reasons why that is patently disprovable:

1.) You never actually Claimed you were GOING to pray....you said "WE CAN PRAY".

2.)I added this caveat in my last post quite intentionally:

If you do, than you might look into better stewardship of your time.

 

I inserted that phrase quite intentionally so that you could not possibly come to that conclusion.  You should read more carefully, not only your own posts, (which you appear to have misinterpreted) but also the Scriptures and the postings of others. 

[Heir of Salvation]

"If a man knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."

 

According to this verse, sin is not just failing to keep the Law. It is failing to do what one knows to be right. That puts the onus a little less on specifically mentioned issues, and a little more on our own conscience.

Very true.  I agree.

[The Glory Land]

Good morning everyone just stopping bye, have a nice day.

[swathdiver]

As long as I've been participating in this thread I have not seen you type out Leviticus 19:28 in its entirety.  The first part of the verse condemns tattoos too but the second makes it plainly obvious to the ignorant as I was until reminded of something a few minutes ago.

 

 http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/intro.html

 

In order to get a tattoo, one must be cut in order for the ink to be put into the skin.  The cutting results in bleeding.  Isn't that also condemned in the Scriptures?

 

Let me ask you Heir of Salvation, do you have tattoos and do you like them?

 

As for me, none.  Before I recognized them as of the devil, I stuck with the phrase "a permanent reminder of a temporary emotion" as a reason not to get one.

[JerryNumbers]

As long as I've been participating in this thread I have not seen you type out Leviticus 19:28 in its entirety.  The first part of the verse condemns tattoos too but the second makes it plainly obvious to the ignorant as I was until reminded of something a few minutes ago.

 

 http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/intro.html

 

In order to get a tattoo, one must be cut in order for the ink to be put into the skin.  The cutting results in bleeding.  Isn't that also condemned in the Scriptures?

 

Let me ask you Heir of Salvation, do you have tattoos and do you like them?

 

As for me, none.  Before I recognized them as of the devil, I stuck with the phrase "a permanent reminder of a temporary emotion" as a reason not to get one.

 

We've gained several liberal believing members that do not even believe in the distinetives that have been taught by Jesus' New Testament Churches down though the ages that in latter years the people known as Baptist have held to.

 

This defending of tattoos gives us a good snapshot of what is taking place in many Baptist Churches across this nation.

Today there's very few that will take to heart, heed, of this Scripture.

 

1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

 

 

Le 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

 

It very easy to understand that getting a tattoo is cutting, printing, upon ones skin, that is if one is really interested in this verses.

 

Mt 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

 

Mr 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

 

Lu 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

 

For most its become about I & that cross is to heavy:

 

Ga 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

 

to bear daily dying to self an actually letting Christ live though us daily.

[wretched]

tattoos smattoos, who cares! Allot worse things we could be doing for sure. If folks insist on them, get a powerful Gospel verse then.

The immature nonsense tats of the lost are always regretted by them EVEN THEM later.

 

It is an immature move to begin with but if you have to get it, It aint my business to try to make it sin, the problem is not the OT law against it, that applies to none of us. The problem is that I have never seen a Gospel one, ie. so they are all of the world.

 

If you want to be truly different get a big fine Gospel series from the KJB all over.

 

I have several regimental crests and mottos from the army all over my torso and don't regret them but certainly don't take my shirt off either.

[swathdiver]

tattoos smattoos, who cares!

 

...It aint my business to try to make it sin,

 

God does and so should believers to protect themselves, their families and their church.

[wretched]

God does and so should believers to protect themselves, their families and their church.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not defending looking or acting like the lost at all. But be careful with insisting believers live by OT law. You going to post against bacon next?

[John81]

Don't get me wrong, I am not defending looking or acting like the lost at all. But be careful with insisting believers live by OT law. You going to post against bacon next?

Which is what another man said with regards to the tithe...

[Heir of Salvation]

As long as I've been participating in this thread I have not seen you type out Leviticus 19:28 in its entirety.  The first part of the verse condemns tattoos too but the second makes it plainly obvious to the ignorant as I was until reminded of something a few minutes ago.

 

 http://www.biblebelievers.com/watkins_tattoos/intro.html

 

This is the same kind of pseudo-garbage non-scholarship I used to read when I held preposterous postitions such as it being a sin for a woman to wear pants etc....It took me less than five minutes to notice the author contradicting himself.  See here:

 

1.) In the section called "The mark of Death" the author writes:

It’s very interesting that Leviticus 19:28 links the tattoo with "the dead".

 

2.) Then, when it suited his purpose in the section "Tatoos and the Bible"....the author completely reverses himself:

Notice also, the phrase "for the dead" is ONLY referencing the "cuttings in your flesh". The condemnation of "nor print ANY marks upon you" is not qualified by the phrase "for the dead". [emphasis mine]

 

I've seen "scholarship" of this ilk before and it is easy to spot. It usually reads the same sort of way, and uses the same kind of caustic language and tactics of fear-mongering.  Using symbols and imagery rather than arguments, contradicting itself, speaking in extremes and droning on endlessly on the irrelevant topic of bestiality for instance (as this author does) instead of staying on point.

 

If you were to study the passage and exegete the chapter rightly, you would find that "tatooing" for the modern Christian is essentially the same as "eating meat sacrificed to idols"  Paul speaks of later.  That's the category.  It is not inherently sinful, but there are always weaker brethren who stumble over such things.  The "weaker" brethren are those who cannot take Christian Liberties in moderation but want to chain themselves to lists of ordinances rather than following the Law of Love.  The weaker brethren are those who insist that everything be enshrined in a list of simplistic "do's and don'ts"  and insist on foisting rules on people which the Scriptures do not insist on.  For their sakes.....a tatoo may be un-advised, and for their sakes, I do not encourage tatooing.  But I don't dis-courage tatooing because I have deluded myself into thinking that the Scriptures forbid them.

 

I used to think that way, and I used to read the type of articles you pasted above.  But, frankly....the article is laughable.

[Heir of Salvation]

Which is what another man said with regards to the tithe...

And he would be correct.....By the way, I imagine you should burn all of those wool/polyester blend shirts you have in your closet. 

Lev 19: 19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

 

Deut 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, [as] of woollen and linen together.

If you are to insist on keeping ordinances of the Old Law...keep all of them.  But, don't pick and choose which ones you like and discard the rest.

[Heir of Salvation]

 

In order to get a tattoo, one must be cut in order for the ink to be put into the skin.  The cutting results in bleeding.  Isn't that also condemned in the Scriptures?

In order for a male child to become circumcised on the eigth day, you must cut, and that results in bleeding too.

Do you forbid women to pierce their ears?

[swathdiver]

You're way out of context on trying to make a hypocrite out of me HoS.  Besides, I already am; a depraved sinner, who needs Jesus the Christ.