Repentance - Biblical Viewpoint

[KJV1611]

I know this is above your head

Your pride is offensive, and throughout many of the posts you have made you have inserted many snide remarks. I have a firm understanding of the scriptures, and have used ONLY scripture to back up what biblical repentance truly is.

This is my last post on this forum. Feel free to continue to slander me after I have left as you have already tried to do while I was here.

Acts 8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

No pride on my part whatsoever. You bear false witness against me.

And you mishandle the Word of God.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

When a sinner repents, (turns to God) he is turning from something. What he is turning from is sin. David said "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me." Obviously, there are those in this world who feel they can continue in sin and still expect to hear Jesus say to them, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant. Enter into the joys of the Lord."

But, as Seth Doty correctly pointed out, (and I did as well) those who think they are pleasing the Lord while living in sin are not pleasing the Lord at all.

[2Tim215]

No matter how many times I show you that repentance for man is turning from sin, you will reject it. You and 2Tim are the only ones on this board that teach one does not have to repent of sin.

Are you sure you are IFB? 'Cause, what you are presenting is not an IFB doctrine.

Not once have I stated that repentance is not man turning from sin nor have I EVER stated that one does not need to repent!! KJV1611 and I have always made long posts with plenty of scripture where as you have only made short comments with little or no scripture to back what you say.

I emphasize again - SALVATION IS NOT BASED ON WORKS AND THEREFORE MAN CAN NOT REPENT IN ORDER TO BE SAVED!!!

Repentance is after salvation and is IFB doctrine. I believe in dispensational doctrine as taught by The Bible Doctrine Institute founded by the late Dr. James A. Lince and presided over by Dr. David L. Peacock, the Pastor of Bible Believer's Baptist Church. Therefore most of the scripture posted in respect to "repent and be saved" quoted from you guys is out of dispensation, out of context and not applicable to the gentile.

In so far as I am aware no one on this board believes that the repentance that is necessary before salvation is cleaning yourself up, ceasing from sin or anything like that. It is a willful directional change of the heart.

Sadly, that's all they seem to believe.

Now to be clear a Christian can "live like the devil" temporarily if they so choose, but if they do so choose they will be miserable in that lifestyle and will be chastened by God until they either get right or until they "sin unto death" and God deals with them accordingly. They can't just live their whole life like a lost person without any kind of judgment from God if they are truly saved. Hebrews 12:6-13, 1st Corinthians 11:29-32, 1st John 5:16-17 etc.

Exactly what we have been trying to say the entire time..

If you only knew how many arguments we have had with Calvinists over the years. It is pretty funny to accuse this board of being predominately Calvinist, I think your the first person who has ever felt that way. Anyway, sorry to see you go if you do decide to leave, as for what ever reason I get the impression that you are either just slightly misguided or misunderstanding and therefore hung up on what is meant by repentance.

Calvinist doctrine teaches repentance IN ORDER to be saved - it's a works based salvation based on the need for man to "repent" before God will save him. So not an assumption nor an accusation on my side considering the comments directed towards myself and KJV1611. I am not hung up nor misguided on repentance. I understand exactly what it means and think that maybe you should read the entire thread before making such an assumption.

I have posted enough verses, and comments that I believe anyone with an open mind can clearly see the definition of the word Repent. I will be following 2Tim215 and leaving this forum as well. I hope for those few open-minded people that might be following this thread that it has been a help.

I do not believe either of us are leaving because we want to, only because it's pointless if we are going to lambasted all the time for the truth. The truth being that repentance is not a PREREQUISITE for salvation.

I believe you and 2Tim are not considering the fact that you are wrong. It is you who is not conforming to what is written in God's Holy Word. I believe the Word. When the unsaved repents, he turns from sin and to God. If he does not turn from sin, he has not repented. If you have not turned from sin, you have not repented. When the saved repent, they turn from sin, and occasionally dead works, and turn to God. I know this is above your head, but just rely on the Holy Spirit to speak rather than your limited understanding. When God repents, he turns from intended calamity and turns to intended good.

I know I always consider that I might be misinterpreting - do YOU? In the above statement you re affirm all we have been saying the whole time "When the unsaved repents, he turns from sin and to God." But no where do you have to REPENT OF YOUR SINS in order to be saved - that is "LORDSHIP SALVATION" as taught by Ray Comfort and John McArthur (who by the way are Calvinist in doctrine) - not by the Bible, so I am glad your doctrine is above my head, else my salvation would be based on works and not grace through faith.

But, as Seth Doty correctly pointed out, (and I did as well) those who think they are pleasing the Lord while living in sin are not pleasing the Lord at all.

If you are so sure of yourself then find one quote where either myself or KJV1611 said that anyone thinks they are pleasing the Lord while living in sin, willful or unknown!!! I have always stated that just because a person happens "to be living like the devil" (your term, not mine) it DOES NOT mean that they are unsaved and that we should never judge them to be unsaved because we don't know, only God knows.

[John81]

Not once have I stated that repentance is not man turning from sin nor have I EVER stated that one does not need to repent!! KJV1611 and I have always made long posts with plenty of scripture where as you have only made short comments with little or no scripture to back what you say.

I emphasize again - SALVATION IS NOT BASED ON WORKS AND THEREFORE MAN CAN NOT REPENT IN ORDER TO BE SAVED!!!

Repentance is after salvation and is IFB doctrine. I believe in dispensational doctrine as taught by The Bible Doctrine Institute founded by the late Dr. James A. Lince and presided over by Dr. David L. Peacock, the Pastor of Bible Believer's Baptist Church. Therefore most of the scripture posted in respect to "repent and be saved" quoted from you guys is out of dispensation, out of context and not applicable to the gentile.



Sadly, that's all they seem to believe.



Exactly what we have been trying to say the entire time..




Calvinist doctrine teaches repentance IN ORDER to be saved - it's a works based salvation based on the need for man to "repent" before God will save him. So not an assumption nor an accusation on my side considering the comments directed towards myself and KJV1611. I am not hung up nor misguided on repentance. I understand exactly what it means and think that maybe you should read the entire thread before making such an assumption.



I do not believe either of us are leaving because we want to, only because it's pointless if we are going to lambasted all the time for the truth. The truth being that repentance is not a PREREQUISITE for salvation.



I know I always consider that I might be misinterpreting - do YOU? In the above statement you re affirm all we have been saying the whole time "When the unsaved repents, he turns from sin and to God." But no where do you have to REPENT OF YOUR SINS in order to be saved - that is "LORDSHIP SALVATION" as taught by Ray Comfort and John McArthur (who by the way are Calvinist in doctrine) - not by the Bible, so I am glad your doctrine is above my head, else my salvation would be based on works and not grace through faith.



If you are so sure of yourself then find one quote where either myself or KJV1611 said that anyone thinks they are pleasing the Lord while living in sin, willful or unknown!!! I have always stated that just because a person happens "to be living like the devil" (your term, not mine) it DOES NOT mean that they are unsaved and that we should never judge them to be unsaved because we don't know, only God knows.

Read the Scriptures without the blinders of hyperdispensationalism and you will clearly see that repentance is not a work for salvation but a part of receiving salvation itself. Part of biblically believing on Christ for salvation is accepting, believing, what Christ says about our need to repent and follow Him.

You might also want to learn more about what MacArthur actually believes with regards to Lordship Salvation before you make such comments. I've only read one book by the man and it dealt with that topic and he condemns what you proclaim he teaches. Actual Lordship Salvation teaches that if one is born again, accepting Jesus as Saviour, they also accept Him as Lord because Jesus is both Lord and Saviour, not just one or the other. There are those out there who do teach one must repent and deal with every sin before they can be saved but that's contrary to what MacArthur teaches and contrary to what is called traditional Lordship Salvation teaching, which is a very poor term to begin with.

With regards to the Calvinism you keep bringing up, there are only a few on this board who hold to some of Calvins teachings with regards to salvation. I don't know what MacArthur says on the matter of Calvinism.

Context and the whole Word of God are key and they clearly show the necessity of repentance and that biblical repentance unto salvation is not a work.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Contrary to what the newbies (am I allowed to call them such since they are new to the board?) claim, repentance from sin is a prerequisite to Salvation. The Word of God teaches us that if we regard iniquity (sin) in our hearts the Lord will not hear us.

Now, how is repentance from sin not a prerequisite for Salvation? Scripture tells us that the Lord accepts a broken spirit and a broken and contrite heart.

If one is not broken, not sorry for his or her sin, that one will not be accepted of the Lord. The broken spirit and contrite heart reveal that repentance has begun its work on the person. That person is sorry he is a sinner and has sinned against a holy God. The turning away from sin and the turning to God (repentance) is begun.

The Philippian jailer showed a sign of a repentant heart. "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" The reason that Paul did not say, "First you must repent, then you must believe" is because the repentance was already visibly evident by the jailers actions and in his words.

Edited November 13, 2011 by Standing Firm In Christ

[KJV1611]

I would like to gracefully bow out of this thread, but keep getting pulled back in because of statements being made about what I have and have not said.

Repentance IS necessary for salvation. BUT, repentance is not turning from sins. It is turning from unbelief to believing in Jesus Christ when you are speaking of repentance in reference to salvation. The word repent means "to turn", and no turn will save except the turn from unbelief to belief.

I do not believe in "dispensational" salvation. I believe the OT saints were saved as described in Romans 4 (by FAITH....ie believing), and that NT saints are saved by FAITH (believing), and that when it talks in Matthew about "those that endure unto the end shall be saved" it is speaking of physically saved. The word saved means to rescue from harm, loss, or danger. It can be used in reference to salvation, or to the body. In Matthew Jesus is saying those saints that make it to the rapture will be physically saved because Christ will return.

Terms like "saved" and "repent" continually get misconstrued because people automatically associate them with preconceived ideas. StandingFirm cannot see the truth of the scripture which plainly teaches that repent means "to turn" because he thinks it is always in reference to sin. He has a preconceived idea of the definition in his mind and therefore cannot see past it. Dispensationalists normally have the same problem with the word saved. They think everywhere you see the term "saved" it means spiritually, when in reality, it can mean saved physically, or a number of other things. It just means to rescue, just like repent just means to turn.


Matt.24

[13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

It is clear that Jesus is not speaking of their souls, but of their bodies (flesh).


Defining terms correctly is very important to correctly interpret scripture. Just as reading a verse in context is also very important. You can take something out of context and come up with something totally unscriptural as I will show in my next post.

[KJV1611]

An example of why defining terms and looking at a verse IN CONTEXT is very important can be seen here below. I will quote a discussion that went on here at a supposedly IFB forum and didnt get corrected even though it has GLARING problems.

The quote is from STANDINGFIRM

Sometimes It's Heaven, Sometimes It's Hell
15 December 2010 - 02:21 AM
I have read many posts over the internet concerning infants and death. People wonder where an infant goes when it dies. I do not believe all babies that die in infancy go to heaven, nor do I believe they all go to hell.
In Psalm 58:3, we read that "The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies." In interesting verse to say the least. It shows that there are wicked born in this world.

Now, let's jump to Hosea 13:16, where we read the LORD God ordering that infants be dashed to pieces. Wow. Such wrath upon infants. But wait, you say... the children were killed because of the sins of their Samaritan parents. This cannot be the case, for the Mosaic Law states that children will not be punished for their father's sins. The only conclusion one can come to is these infants in Hosea were guilty of committing sin and had to be destroyed along with their parents who also were guilty of sin.

So, you might say, then all infants who are not able to make a profession of faith go to hell. Well, one could come to such a conclusion if it were not for the words of the psalmist once again. He said in Psalm 22:9,10 that God caused him to trust and that God was his God from the womb. Wow!

Apparently, God gives infants the ability to believe in Him. I believe David was revealing the fact that God does indeed save some infants at birth.

In light of Scripture, I cannot say I believe in the alleged 'age of accountability.' I believe all infants have the ability to believe as David did, for God is no respector or persons and is not willing that any should perish. He gives all the chance to believe.

StandingFirm's only verse of evidence for infants having the ability to "believe" from birth is Psalm 22 where he claims "DAVID" believed from the womb.

As Jesus said, "have ye not read"?

Psalm 22 is speaking of JESUS CHRIST....


Pss.22

[1] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
[2] O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
[3] But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
[4] Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
[5] They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
[6] But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
[7] All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head saying,
[8] He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
[9] But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
[10] I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
[11] Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
[12] Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
[13] They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
[14] I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
[15] My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
[16] For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
[17] I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
[18] They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
[19] But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
[20] Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.


To use Psalm 22 as a "proof" that infants can believe from the womb is ridiculous.

HAVE YE NOT READ??? Edited November 13, 2011 by KJV1611

[KJV1611]

How many other errors in basic Bible doctrine are being promoted here because people are following others who are teaching the doctrines of men in place of the doctrines of God??

1 Timothy 1:6-7

From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

One who does not turn from sin cannot be saved. If I regard iniquity in mine heart, the LORD will not hear me.

What part of 'will not hear' do you not understand?

God is not going to save one who has no remorse for sin, no matter how much you want to imply He will.

The best way to avoid addressing our posts? Quit teaching your theory that is proven to be biblically unsound.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

KJV,

It is obvious you signed on this board with an agenda...and that agenda is not of God. First you attack the doctrine of biblical repentance from sin, and then you attack me by bringing posts that have nothing whatsoever to do with this thread, in a feeble attempt to make your easy believism, one-two-three, repeat after me gospel look appeasing.

Well, your gospel of non repentance is appealing. It tickles the ears and pleases the flesh. Yet the Word of God teaches us to reject such teachings.

[Invicta]

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Which comes first?

[Invicta]

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;


Which comes first?

Actually I believe they both come together, in any case I don't think it is worth agueing about.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Which comes first?

Clearly it is repentance. Repentance from what? If we are to believe KJV, we are not to turn away from sin, which is contradictory to the Word of God.

[KJV1611]

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Which comes first?

You've got to turn from unbelief in order to believe.