Do you believe the above verse teachings tattoos

[JerryNumbers]

What can be right about either an Old Testament saint, or a New Testament saint doing that which God says not to do? Why would a person waster their money putting tattoos on their skin when they could use that money for the glory of God, instead of wasting it spending it on self.

I can't think of a better way to be selfish with ones own money than to waste it putting tattoos on ones skin.

There is nothing about a tattoo that will bring glory to God, and before the child of God does anything they need to be sure it will bring glory to God, that it will please God. And there is a verse in the Old Testament that clearly states that God does not approve of tattoos.

[John81]

What can be right about either an Old Testament saint, or a New Testament saint doing that which God says not to do? Why would a person waster their money putting tattoos on their skin when they could use that money for the glory of God, instead of wasting it spending it on self.

I can't think of a better way to be selfish with ones own money than to waste it putting tattoos on ones skin.

There is nothing about a tattoo that will bring glory to God, and before the child of God does anything they need to be sure it will bring glory to God, that it will please God. And there is a verse in the Old Testament that clearly states that God does not approve of tattoos.

Christ said we are to deny ourselves and follow Him, but how many Christians today want to do that? Most Christians today want to feel they are okay with God but they also want to have all the world they can too. They want to live as close to the world as possible rather than as close to Christ as possible.

Christians today don't want to hold to biblical standards whether it has to do with tattoos, hair length, entertainment, how much money they give and how they spend the rest, the way they talk, the company they keep, etc.

[farouk]

I agree substantially with a lot of what you guys have just said.

But the exegetical aspect isn't addressed: if you are going to use the 'cutting for the dead' passage in Leviticus that is sometimes interpreted as referring to tattoos, then why do preachers shave? because the passage mentions this too.

[1John2:15-17]

Christ said we are to deny ourselves and follow Him, but how many Christians today want to do that? Most Christians today want to feel they are okay with God but they also want to have all the world they can too. They want to live as close to the world as possible rather than as close to Christ as possible.

Christians today don't want to hold to biblical standards whether it has to do with tattoos, hair length, entertainment, how much money they give and how they spend the rest, the way they talk, the company they keep, etc.

Amen.....when one is not In his or her own Bible, then it becomes easy to justify participating in worldly things, associating with the unsaved, etc. Many of these people must think one of two things - that God won't know or that God will understand. Sorry, what God says in the Bible is what He meant, no exceptions. And there is NOTHING that anyone can hide from Him.

[farouk]

Amen.....when one is not In his or her own Bible, then it becomes easy to justify participating in worldly things, associating with the unsaved, etc. Many of these people must think one of two things - that God won't know or that God will understand. Sorry, what God says in the Bible is what He meant, no exceptions. And there is NOTHING that anyone can hide from Him.

cubfan1969:

Again I agree with much of what you say.

But if you are going to use the 'cutting for the dead' passage in Leviticus that is sometimes interpreted as referring to tattoos, then why do preachers shave? because the passage mentions this too.

What are you going to tell to people who might ask this who come your church? Edited July 14, 2011 by farouk

[JerryNumbers]

cubfan1969:

Again I agree with much of what you say.

But if you are going to use the 'cutting for the dead' passage in Leviticus that is sometimes interpreted as referring to tattoos, then why do preachers shave? because the passage mentions this too.

What are you going to tell to people who might ask this who come your church?

Le 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any maks upon you: I am the LORD.


This verse says more than one thing, I'm pointing to only one of them when it comes to tattoos, The Lord thy God says, " nor print any marks upon you."


Getting a tattoo is putting marks on your skin, why act like a lawyer in order to try and find loopholes, why not do as it says? While trusting and obeying!


By the way Jesus is very clear. And tells us, "If ye love me you will keep my commandments.





Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Plus He tells us Hic commamdemts are not grievous.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Many act like His commandments are grievous, they must tink they're, looking and searching for any loop hole and are excuse not to do as the Bible ask you too.

Of course this has no bearing on ones salvation, yet when one is not trusting and obeying, they are not walking close to the Father nor the Son.


Joshua 24:15 "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve....but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

[farouk]

Le 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any maks upon you: I am the LORD.


This verse says more than one thing, I'm pointing to only one of them when it comes to tattoos, The Lord thy God says, " nor print any marks upon you."


Getting a tattoo is putting marks on your skin, why act like a lawyer in order to try and find loopholes, why not do as it says? While trusting and obeying!


By the way Jesus is very clear. And tells us, "If ye love me you will keep my commandments.





Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Plus He tells us Hic commamdemts are not grievous.

1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Many act like His commandments are grievous, they must tink they're, looking and searching for any loop hole and are excuse not to do as the Bible ask you too.

Of course this has no bearing on ones salvation, yet when one is not trusting and obeying, they are not walking close to the Father nor the Son.


Joshua 24:15 "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve....but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

Jerry:

What you say certainly has merit from a certain perspective.

You don't have to address the question of using the 'cutting for the dead' passage in Leviticus that is sometimes interpreted as referring to tattoos, then avoiding the fact that preachers shave. because the passage mentions this too.
You might not want to level with ppl who might come your church and ask this; well, okay.

Whatever. Blessings. Edited July 15, 2011 by farouk

[JerryNumbers]

I'm not taking, leaving, the cutting for the dead out, but it is a different topic and it happens to be in the same verse that contains, "nor print any marks upon you," and no one should do the cutting for the dead, just as they should not in no way make marks on their skin, that is get tattoos.


I suppose some on here that believes that tattoos are a great thing, would also believe that putting cuttings in your flesh for the dead is a dandy thing for a child of God to do as well.

Yet they really do not have a foot to stand on, for the verse clearly states God position on both issues, "Ye shall not make any ........................................................................................................, I am the Lord."

Edited July 16, 2011 by Jerry80871852

[farouk]

I'm not taking, leaving the cutting for the dead out, but it is a different issue and it happens to be in the same verse, and no one should do it, just as they should not in no way make marks on their skin, that is get tattoos.

Jerry...and you shouldn't shave, either, right? (logically).

Just wondering how your logic would extend.

(PS: I don't want a tattoo any more than you do, but I'm trying to look at it from the exegesis point of view.) Blessings.

[Wilchbla]

I personally think it's 100% wrong and I couldn't get a tattoo in good conscience but I'm also hesitant in using a verse from Leviticus to establish dogmatic doctrine for Christians concerning this issue. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

[farouk]

I personally think it's 100% wrong and I couldn't get a tattoo in good conscience but I'm also hesitant in using a verse from Leviticus to establish dogmatic doctrine for Christians concerning this issue. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Wilchbla:

...which is a quotation from Romans 14, a chapter which is often forgotten. :)

[John81]

As has been pointed out in this thread and the other on this topic, the Leviticus verse doesn't stand alone. Other verses have been posted or referred to which cover this topic. Some have posted good articles dealing with the subject.

This verse from Leviticus sets a foundation to which other verses align. Just as cuttings and tattoos were pagan practices back then, their roots are still the same. Pagan societies today still practice this as they have for generations. Even in America it's very common among many groups to get tattoos for the dead. This is spreading beyond these groups into the general population.

As has been discussed, besides the pagan roots of tattoos, their history is completly tied to that which is ungodly and rebellious.

For believers, our bodies are the temple of the Holy Ghost and we shouldn't even want to put grafitti there. Christians should stand out in all aspects of their lives, very much including our personal appearance, from the lost world.

Why do we have two threads on this topic which are still ongoing with some trying to find a way to make tattoos on Christians acceptable?

Ro 12:1 ¶ I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Ro 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

[farouk]

As has been pointed out in this thread and the other on this topic, the Leviticus verse doesn't stand alone. Other verses have been posted or referred to which cover this topic. Some have posted good articles dealing with the subject.

This verse from Leviticus sets a foundation to which other verses align. Just as cuttings and tattoos were pagan practices back then, their roots are still the same. Pagan societies today still practice this as they have for generations. Even in America it's very common among many groups to get tattoos for the dead. This is spreading beyond these groups into the general population.

As has been discussed, besides the pagan roots of tattoos, their history is completly tied to that which is ungodly and rebellious.

For believers, our bodies are the temple of the Holy Ghost and we shouldn't even want to put grafitti there. Christians should stand out in all aspects of their lives, very much including our personal appearance, from the lost world.

Why do we have two threads on this topic which are still ongoing with some trying to find a way to make tattoos on Christians acceptable?

Ro 12:1 ¶ I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Ro 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

John81:

In general terms at least, I strongly agree with the relevance and appropriateness of the verses that you have quoted.

But then what about shaving? someone could argue that shaving is pagan in origin, it's in the same passage as the cutting for the dead, assumed to refer directly to today's tattoos, therefore shaving is wrong for today.

I'm trying to look at the logic of it.