More than meets the eye...

[Guest]

Dave - you're reading Acts 18, which is all encouraging.

I was showing that the period from his call to Macedonia was very mixed, as he had had to leave one town after another.

It would seem he arrived in heaviness & was wonderfully encouraged by those he met & by a direct word from the Lord Jesus.

O.K. ...got it now. I thought somehow you meant his first meeting with the Corinthians brought heaviness to him. I apologize for the wrong conclusion.

What is very interesting to me is there is a visit and maybe others that God had Luke refrain from recording. Besides the visits there are letters which appear to have been lost. I know if God thought they would be necessary for us they would be provided.

The missing letters and the unrecorded travels although Intriguing lead to something much more improtant. What we've proven here is the rich blessings available through God's preserved word for us. There is so much more for all of us within the word of God...if we just study it. I won't even guess how many times the ones responding in ths thread have read Acts/Corinthians and possibly missed this. How much more are we missing about our Lord and Savior? Edited February 7, 2011 by 1Tim115

[heartstrings]

2 Cor. 2:1 “But I determined this with myself, that I would not come again to you in heaviness.”

Paul’s first trip to Corinth wasn’t with heaviness or sorrow...what's up here?

The word "again" can simply mean "to return" or "come back".

"Come again" doesn't mean he came with heaviness the first time.
Paul says that he came "before" in a positive light at the end oif the previous chapter..........

2 Corinthians 1:

14As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are our's in the day of the Lord Jesus.

15And in this confidence I was minded to come unto you before, that ye might have a second benefit;

16And to pass by you into Macedonia, and to come again out of Macedonia unto you, and of you to be brought on my way toward Judaea.

17When I therefore was thus minded, did I use lightness? or the things that I purpose, do I purpose according to the flesh, that with me there should be yea yea, and nay nay?

18But as God is true, our word toward you was not yea and nay.

19For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
20For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

21Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;

22Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

23Moreover I call God for a record upon my soul, that to spare you I came not as yet unto Corinth.

24Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.

You are right, Paul's first trip wasn't with heaviness or sorrow., "come again" simply means "come back".
Paul didn't want to return in heaviness. Am I making sense? Edited March 10, 2011 by heartstrings

[Guest]

The word "again" can simply mean "to return" or "come back".

"Come again" doesn't mean he came with heaviness the first time.
Paul says that he came "before" in a positive light at the end oif the previous chapter..........

2 Corinthians 1:

14As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are our's in the day of the Lord Jesus.

15And in this confidence I was minded to come unto you before, that ye might have a second benefit;

16And to pass by you into Macedonia, and to come again out of Macedonia unto you, and of you to be brought on my way toward Judaea.

17When I therefore was thus minded, did I use lightness? or the things that I purpose, do I purpose according to the flesh, that with me there should be yea yea, and nay nay?

18But as God is true, our word toward you was not yea and nay.

19For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
20For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

21Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;

22Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

23Moreover I call God for a record upon my soul, that to spare you I came not as yet unto Corinth.

24Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.

You are right, Paul's first trip wasn't with heaviness or sorrow., "come again" simply means "come back".
Paul didn't want to return in heaviness. Am I making sense?

My point exactly, the first trip Paul didn't come in heaviness or sorrow to the Corinthians. He was happy to arrive there.
2 Cor. 2:1 “But I determined this with myself, that I would not come again to you in heaviness.”
"to you in heaviness" is a phrase modifying the action verb/adverb combination "come again" of the subject noun "I".
At some time Paul came to them in heaviness.

There is a missing trip which we do not have record of. However, I believe if we needed it, God would have made sure we had a record of it.

[John81]

I think it was in Acts where I read something that seemed to address this. It was my intent to post it but it slipped my mind at the time and then I forgot about this thread. Sorry.

[Nathaniel]

Perhaps I'm ignorant but, why does it have to be that he came unhappy? Why not just that he didn't want to come while unhappy but, after reading a little more into it (apparently I was ignorant.)
I believe his heaviness was in regard with the things which were happening in the Church of Corinth in (1 Co); and, for that reason he didn't come or write to them; (I think until they had chance to fix it and or some of it was fixed.) I'm basing that on (2Co 1:23-24) and (2 Co 2:1). Also according to Webster's 1828 Dictionary heaviness can mean burden; and so which if you look at (2Co 1:23-24), (2 Co 2:1) and (Na 1:1) I think the reasoning I'm using will make sense.


2Co 1:23 Moreover I call God for a record upon my soul, that to spare you I came not as yet unto Corinth.
2Co 1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.
2Co 2:1 ¶ But I determined this with myself, that I would not come again to you in heaviness.



Na 1:1 ¶ The burden of Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite.



Also I don't think we are missing an epistle; If your basing that in regards to (2Co 13:1) .



2Co 13:1 ¶ This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.



Didn't he come to Corinth three times in type; Once in person (Ac 18:1) and twice by his epistles (2Co 1:1) (1Co 1:1-2)?



2Co 1:1 ¶ Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:



1Co 1:1 ¶ Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Edited March 11, 2011 by Nathaniel

[Guest]

Perhaps I'm ignorant but, why does it have to be that he came unhappy? Why not just that he didn't want to come while unhappy but, after reading a little more into it (apparently I was ignorant.)
I believe his heaviness was in regard with the things which were happening in the Church of Corinth in (1 Co); and, for that reason he didn't come or write to them; (I think until they had chance to fix it and or some of it was fixed.) I'm basing that on (2Co 1:23-24) and (2 Co 2:1). Also according to Webster's 1828 Dictionary heaviness can mean burden; and so which if you look at (2Co 1:23-24), (2 Co 2:1) and (Na 1:1) I think the reasoning I'm using will make sense.


2Co 1:23 Moreover I call God for a record upon my soul, that to spare you I came not as yet unto Corinth.
2Co 1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.
2Co 2:1 ¶ But I determined this with myself, that I would not come again to you in heaviness.



Na 1:1 ¶ The burden of Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite.



Also I don't think we are missing an epistle; If your basing that in regards to (2Co 13:1) .



2Co 13:1 ¶ This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.



Didn't he come to Corinth three times in type; Once in person (Ac 18:1) and twice by his epistles (2Co 1:1) (1Co 1:1-2)?



2Co 1:1 ¶ Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:



1Co 1:1 ¶ Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Here's what I have come to accept...

Paul made a missionary journey not recorded in Acts other than what we see in 2 Cor.

2 Cor. 12:14 “Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you;”

2 Cor. 2:1 “But I determined this with myself, that I would not come again to you in heaviness.”

Paul’s first trip to Corinth wasn’t with heaviness or sorrow; also, he clearly states 3rd time above.

After Paul's 2nd missionary trip, 1st to Europe (Macedonia and Greece) he visited the Corinthian Church again.
There was no heaviness or sorrow from Paul recorded in the 1st visit (2nd Missionary trip).
I'm guessing the unrecorded visit was most likely from Ephesus by ship (all speculation).

So, Paul's 3rd missionary trip to Europe (2nd visit to Europe) was actually a 3rd trip to Corinth. Were there more
trips we don't know about, maybe but that would be further speculation.

Also, there seems as someone else pointed out to be another letter/s.
1 Corinthians 5:9 “I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:”
Paul wrote another epistle to the Corinthians and it was before 1 Cor.

I passed over these things in the past but was researching Paul's journeys and the above was the result.