Bible - KJV or Modern Version Discussion

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   Romans 5:11 Is "atonement" a mistranslation?

   January 25, 2005 by brandplucked

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   Romans 5:11 Atonement or Reconciliation? "And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the ATONEMENT." There are many "scholars" who criticize the King James Bible rendering of the word "atonement" in this verse. Typical of those tell us it is an error is Adam Clarke. He comments: "It was certainly improper to translate katallage here by atonement, instead of reconciliation; as katallassw signifies to reconcile, and is so rendered by our translators in all the places where it occurs." Most modern versions like the NKJV, NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV, and Holman Standard have translated this word as "reconciliation" …

   

   Last reply by brandplucked, January 25, 2005
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   The Rapture, what do you believe?

   January 24, 2005 by John the Baptist

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   [quote] 1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be…

   

   Last reply by lettheredeemedsayso, January 25, 2005
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   Genesis 4:7

   January 23, 2005 by outtahere

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   [i]7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be [color=red]his[/color] desire, and thou shalt rule over [color=red]him[/color].[/i] What is the meaning of this verse? It seems straight forward. However, some in the past have said that the he refers to Abel, Calvin of note. Most commentaries I have read say that [i]he[/i] is in reference to the sin that [i]lieth at the door[/i]. Although sin in this instance probably means sin offering, as in a lamb that lies in wait. What say ye? brotherly, Johann

   

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   Modern KJV

   December 28, 2004 by Pastorj

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   [url]http://www.mkjvonline.com.[/url] I was discussing the KJV issue on another board and I was asked about the MKJV. I was wondering if anyone else had heard about it and what you think

   

   Last reply by Anon, January 24, 2005
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   Mis use of the word Bible

   January 17, 2005 by Guest Guest

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   Ok here is my pet peeve, actually something I been convicted about. It is using the term bible as a guide book for everything. Here goes, the Chef'f Bible, The cookie Bible, internet Bible, runner's bible. Bible isn't reffering to God's Holy Word, but some concaction man has made up. Isn't that considered a form of Blasphemy?

   

   Last reply by Chelle, January 23, 2005
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   Scofield Users

   January 19, 2005 by DQ

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   Greetings! I see a lot of Scofield in these posts, and most baptist churches I have been at are all gung ho about the Scofield Bible. What I want to know is why? I don't like to use bibles with man-made notes/commentaries. Scofield believes in the universal church theory as well as the gap theory. If we are good fundamental baptists, we certainly don't hold to those beliefs. Anyone want to enlighten me? DQ

   

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   Love or Charity? Is this an error in the KJB?

   December 14, 2004 by brandplucked

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   Charity "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." 1 Corinthians 13:13 Dr. Robert Joyner has written a long article criticizing the King James Bible in an effort to convince you that it is not the infallible word of God. He wants you to switch to the NASB, NIV or one of the other modern versions. Of course Mr. Joyner does not have any Bible he considers to be the inerrant, complete, infallible word of God. His only final authority is his own opinion. One of his alledged "errors" is the use of the word "Charity". Mr. Joyner says: "The KJV uses the word "charity" for love. This is confusing because charity toda…

   

   Last reply by michelle, January 20, 2005
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   Which is right the study notes or text on II Samuel?

   December 28, 2004 by brklynbud

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   I've been saved a short time and using a Thomas Nelson KJV Study Bible. In II Samuel 15:7 when referring to the length of time Absalom was turning Israel against King David it says he went on for 40 years. The notes say it should read 4 years. I know that notes in a study Bible are not perfect but I thought David's reign was only 40 years long total. Which is right? I admit I used the Subject line to get people to read my post. My belief is that the only Bible a person should be using is the KJV but this verse has me puzzled. Thanks for any help.

   

   Last reply by pneu-engine, January 6, 2005
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    Bible Babel in Action - Malachi 2:15

    January 5, 2005 by brandplucked

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    Malachi 2:15 - Bible Babel in Action First the context and an explanation of the verse: "...Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet she is thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. AND DID NOT HE MAKE ONE? YET HAD HE THE RESIDUE OF THE SPIRIT. AND WHEREFORE ONE? THAT HE MIGHT SEEK A GODLY SEED. Therefore take heed to thy spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth." Malachi 2:14-15 Though I believe there is a spiritual, allegorical meaning to this passage as well, let's focus on the usual literal meaning of the words as applied to the marriage betwe…

    

    Last reply by brandplucked, January 5, 2005
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    matt.25

    December 9, 2004 by cowboy-bebop

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    well i still could get with the parables that seems to say that you can loose your salvation.can you please comfort my mind in that chapter :?

    

    Last reply by John the Baptist, January 2, 2005
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    Proverbs 21:4

    December 29, 2004 by Guest Guest

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    Pr 21:4 ¶ An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin What is plowing of the wicked? Plowing = 05215. ryn niyr, neer or nir {neer}; from 5214; properly, plowing, i.e. (concretely) freshly plowed land:--fallow ground, plowing, tillage.

    

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    Daily Bible Reading page

    December 13, 2004 by Danny Carlton

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    First of all let me say the page I'm about to mention has no ads, and is completely free. It's an online version of the daily Bible reading script I wrote for myself several months ago and I though you guys might be interested in it. The URL is [url]http://bythefireplace.com/thebible/_daily_reading.php[/url] It's based on the [url=http://phpbible.org]phpBible.org[/url] script I put online a while back, and I made it an addition to my online library. In order to let the script keep tract of where you are you'll need to register (requires only a name and password, and is only for keeping track of your settings) at the main site ([url]http://BytheFireplace.com[/url]). …

    

    Last reply by Danny Carlton, December 13, 2004
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    Reasoning with the JW's

    November 25, 2004 by Guest Guest

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    This month was my time to reason with the Jehovah's witnesses. It is interesting to know, that if they were not allowed to use the New World Translation [their own] and their companion book "Reasoning from the scriptures", that they would not be able to prove their beliefs that Jesus is not God, and that hell is not eternal. Even if I gave them one of the weaker quasi heretical modern versions, they would still not be able to prove their doctrine. It seem that in most cases, the battleground with most cults is the Divinity of Christ, and they approach this battle by altering the scriptures as the NWT does so consistantly. Last month was Mormon month, where I was told that…

    

    Last reply by Samer, December 12, 2004
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    Bible study book

    December 12, 2004 by momof4

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    I was wondering, does anyone know of a good Bible study book that would be good to use for ladies meetings, preferably KJV. I have looked at Cynthia Heald's Becoming a Woman of Excellence series, and like it, but was wondering if there might be something that uses just the King James.

    

    Last reply by momof4, December 12, 2004
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    Private time in bible

    December 11, 2004 by CauliflowerClown

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    Ok I'm giving a bible to each of my coworkers for Christmas. I planned on writing a testimony of my daily time in his word. I don't like it! I tries to write why it important. I don't like that either. Maybe a lot of you would like and agree with what I wrote but this isn't for you this is for sevaral that know not Christ but know me. Got it? I don't want to sound domatic or greater than thou or offencisive. I want to encourage them to spend daily time in His Word. Tha'st why they will also be getting calendars with a Bible reading plan. Now how can I do this? Is there a good article somewhere that I can copy and give them that will encourage them to read the bible? …

    

    Last reply by Jesuspaiditall4all, December 11, 2004
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    1 John 5:12

    December 10, 2004 by HomeBound

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    Hey all, I saw this on another board. They asked what about 1 John 5:12. Today's KJB has Son of God while the AV has just Son. Any of you scholars know why they says different? God bless, HB

    

    Last reply by Samer, December 11, 2004
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    Changing the Word of God

    November 2, 2004 by Guest Guest

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    I was recently flipping through the channels, and I came across what appeared to be an advertisement for a visual bible called the "Watchword" bible, with the woman from Pat Robertsons show as the spokesman/salesperson. I was not familiar with the translation that they were using, so I decided to look into it. It appears that they are using a translation known as the CEV. After looking a little further, I found that this translation was done by the same person who did the Good news bible.This is the same translation that was used in a "word for word" script used in the "Gospel of John" video. Why are all of these film makers using such watered down and delibertly changed …

    

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    conversation - I Peter 3:1

    December 9, 2004 by brandplucked

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    The Conversation of the Wives 1 Peter 3:1 "Likewise ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands: that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the CONVERSATION of the wives: While they behold your chaste CONVERSATION coupled with fear." In his book, The King James Version Debate: A Plea For Realism, D.A. Carson states on pages 101-102: "The plain truth of the matter is that the version that is so cherished among senior saints who have more or less come to terms with Elizabethan English, is obscure, confusing, and sometimes even incomprehensible to many younger or poorly educated Christians. The words of Edwin H. Palmer (one of the chi…

    

    Last reply by brandplucked, December 9, 2004
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    Isaiah 44:22

    December 9, 2004 by 88keys

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    This verse was a blessing to me today in my devotions. I hope it will bless you as well. [i]I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.[/i] What a wonderful thought - that I have been redeemed.

    

    Last reply by 88keys, December 9, 2004
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    "we fetched a compass" - Acts 28:13

    December 3, 2004 by brandplucked

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    Hi saints, my apologies to those who have already seen this, but it appears there are some members here who aren't in other clubs where I have posted this. The Whateverists love to bring this one up all the time, so I decided to provide an answer. It is amazing what an English dictionary can do for our understanding. God bless, We fetched a compass Acts 28:12-13 "And landing at Syracuse, we tarried there three days. And from thence WE FETCHED A COMPASS, and came to Rhegium: and after one day the south wind blew, and we came the next day to Puteoli." In his book, The King James Only Controversy, author James White says on page 234: "One could easily fill …

    

    Last reply by Anon, December 5, 2004
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    Bible Babel in the book of Judges - some examples

    November 16, 2004 by brandplucked

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    The Book of the Judges - Some examples of Bible Babel These are just a few examples taken from the book of Judges that show how not all bible versions say the same things but with different words. It is my contention that the King James Bible is always correct. It is the preserved, inerrant word of God and all other modern English versions are inferiour and often wrong. Not all Bible versions are as ridiculous as this following example, but you have to admit the New English Bible of 1970 goes beyond the bounds of the usual blunders found in most inferiour versions of God's word. (For several examples of bonehead blunders in such versions as the NASB, NIV, NKJV, H…

    

    Last reply by brandplucked, November 30, 2004
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    Study Bible question

    November 26, 2004 by Guest Guest

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    Does anyone here have an opinion about the KJV "Scripture Reference Study Bible" published by the RL Munce Publishing company? bobbyd

    

    Last reply by Guest, November 28, 2004
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    Catholicized questions

    September 24, 2004 by AVDeaf

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    I studied on some issues about modern versions and the KJV. I would like to ask you questions. 1. How many fundamental Baptist (or non-Baptist) colleges/seminaries openly state that some Catholicized new versions communicate God's Word more effectively than the KJV? 2. How many fundamental Bible colleges can you name which do not use the Catholicized false Greek text in their Greek classes? Please answer them.

    

    Last reply by AVDeaf, November 28, 2004
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    1 Timothy 5:4 - nephews

    November 28, 2004 by brandplucked

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    NEPHEWS 1 Timothy 5:4. The KJV

    

    Last reply by brandplucked, November 28, 2004
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    Refuting the King James Version Deabate 1 2

    November 17, 2004 by TheBibleSender

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    Has anyone heard of this book? I am looking for a good article refuting this book for a friend of mine. It is authored by some Carson guy. If you can help please do. God bless. :)

    

    Last reply by Bob, November 26, 2004