The KJV

[Will]

There's a "literal" understanding of scripture, that which we read "on the surface", but there's also a "Spiritual" understanding that a "literal reading" won't reveal, translating the "words" won't reveal the spiritual meaning, it's hidden to worldly knowledge.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Lu 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

God doesn't give his "Valuable "PEARLS" (words) to "swine".

Mt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine,

Mt 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Chalk me up as more confused than before.

[dwayner79]

Me4Him,

This stuff is laughable at best.

There's a "literal" understanding of scripture, that which we read "on the surface", but there's also a "Spiritual" understanding that a "literal reading" won't reveal, translating the "words" won't reveal the spiritual meaning, it's hidden to worldly knowledge.

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Miracles are another example we can't explain, "EXCEPT" the involvement of God.

My point is "seen/confirmed".

I am still trying to figure out what the point of your chart is, and how it applies at all to the topic at hand. Frankly I don't think it does... at all.

As to your second quote, are you serious? (why do I even ask.. I know you are). There are any number of reasons why the translators ended up with varying translations, and you are banking on it being a miracle from God. You are talking about advanced revelation. You and God and an English translation of scripture came up with these ideas all by yourself. Congrats! You have fallen into the pit that so many others have fallen into - that of placing a translation ABOVE the text from which it comes, and drawing conclusions from a verse whose less than stellar translation has lead to an implied idea. There are just too many weak links in your argument on those verses to support the idea you are trying to place on it.

Again, I ask, are there other examples you would like to cite that are found in the KJV and NOT in the original, and NOT in any other translation that would give merit to the claim that some supernatural "extras" were placed into the KJV?

[dwayner79]

I forgot this one.

No offense taken, those who have eyes/ears will understand, those who don't, won't, that's not my problem, I'm only to "tell".

You're not going to understand in "five minutes" what's taken me "years" to learn, ...

Ahh, the arrogance of this post. I love it.

Could it be sir, that if you opened your heart just a bit, there may be something to learn from us here. I have no problem examining your claims, but when they are found wanting, don't try to play the "I have more years on you, boy" card.

Your time here will go much smoother if you do.

[kevinmiller]

No offense taken, those who have eyes/ears will understand, those who don't, won't, that's not my problem, I'm only to "tell".

LOL. You guys are all the same. I'm glad that God gave you special wisdom that the rest of us don't have. :shootme:

[Me4Him]

Me4Him,

This stuff is laughable at best.



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I am still trying to figure out what the point of your chart is, and how it applies at all to the topic at hand. Frankly I don't think it does... at all.

As to your second quote, are you serious? (why do I even ask.. I know you are). There are any number of reasons why the translators ended up with varying translations, and you are banking on it being a miracle from God. You are talking about advanced revelation. You and God and an English translation of scripture came up with these ideas all by yourself. Congrats! You have fallen into the pit that so many others have fallen into - that of placing a translation ABOVE the text from which it comes, and drawing conclusions from a verse whose less than stellar translation has lead to an implied idea. There are just too many weak links in your argument on those verses to support the idea you are trying to place on it.

Again, I ask, are there other examples you would like to cite that are found in the KJV and NOT in the original, and NOT in any other translation that would give merit to the claim that some supernatural "extras" were placed into the KJV?

Mt 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart;

"Your words" are a "window" into your heart, and "Doubt" hides many things from people.

Mt 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

I don't expect "everyone" will see/understand, but a few will.

Even Jesus was acussed of being from the Pit, casting out devils by Beelzebub, and no doubt, they believed Jesus's revelations were "Advanced". (whatever that means)

And when he claimed to have lived before Abraham, that broke any link with his "credibility".

My "weak link" was proven, and you refuse to accept the proof, so would any others I might post.

[kevinmiller]

Yup, I've heard all the arguments. Still not nearly enough to convince me of even the slightest credibility of it. God doesn't make His Word difficult to understand. It's not about us understanding, it's about making something up that isn't there. Since when does circumstantial and man-made evidence become gospel? You show me a verse, not how John 3:16 + Mark 9:20= Revelation 20:15. The fact is, the KJV does not exist in the KJV. You can't find a VERSE that supports your claims. Don't give me your suppositions. I don't care a wit about your KJV mathematical conclusions. Give me Bible.

[Me4Him]

I forgot this one.



Ahh, the arrogance of this post. I love it.

Could it be sir, that if you opened your heart just a bit, there may be something to learn from us here. I have no problem examining your claims, but when they are found wanting, don't try to play the "I have more years on you, boy" card.

Your time here will go much smoother if you do.

If I was looking for a "smooth ride", I'd keep everything I know to myself, rather than teach what's been taught to me, Paying God back for his "education" isn't easy.

I think your "Attitude" is affecting your "reading comprehension" of what is actually being said, it's very easy to take things the "wrong way".

[dwayner79]

Mt 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart;

"Your words" are a "window" into your heart, and "Doubt" hides many things from people.

Mt 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

I don't expect "everyone" will see/understand, but a few will.

Even Jesus was acussed of being from the Pit, casting out devils by Beelzebub, and no doubt, they believed Jesus's revelations were "Advanced". (whatever that means)

And when he claimed to have lived before Abraham, that broke any link with his "credibility".

My "weak link" was proven, and you refuse to accept the proof, so would any others I might post.

Where and how was anything proven??? Perhaps you and I have different definitions of "Proof." This is my point. Your ideas where shown to lack any ground to stand on, and yet you continue to act as if they are still to be believed? Now I am more than open to a discussion if you care to offer a rebuttal, but until you clarify your position, and actually engaging in a discussion when folks point out flaws in your ideas, there is little we can do here.

And BTW, I do not think you are from the pit (don't flatter yourself), nor do I place ANY merit on the idea that you should equate yourself with God (again, don't flatter yourself).

If I was looking for a "smooth ride", I'd keep everything I know to myself, rather than teach what's been taught to me, Paying God back for his "education" isn't easy.

What a way to live. :roll

[dwayner79]

Also, I am not a mod, but I think I know them pretty well. If you are only here to school us, we don't want none. If you care to join this little community and get into discussions, then great, but as I said if you are only here to give us the education God "gave" you... you might as well forget it.

This board is owned and operated by Independent, Fundamental, KJV Baptist believers. We are not interested in arguing or debating as this Boards is set up for IFB to fellowship and uplift our Lord Jesus Christ.

[Me4Him]

Also, I am not a mod, but I think I know them pretty well. If you are only here to school us, we don't want none. If you care to join this little community and get into discussions, then great, but as I said if you are only here to give us the education God "gave" you... you might as well forget it.

I have "discussion" with people interested in discussion, your "up front" condemnation of a subject in which you were clearly ignorant, proves you were more interested in proving your point than seeing mine, eliminating any possibility of "discussion",

As I said, your words are a window into your heart.

Mt 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

[Tim]

:wow:

[kevinmiller]

I have "discussion" with people interested in discussion, your "up front" condemnation of a subject in which you were clearly ignorant, proves you were more interested in proving your point than seeing mine, eliminating any possibility of "discussion",

"discussion"= education

I've never met a radical KJVO'er whose primary purpose wasn't to educate everyone as to the divinity of the KJV and to point out our own stupidity. If you are interested in educating us, better look somewhere else. :smile

[dwayner79]

I have "discussion" with people interested in discussion, your "up front" condemnation of a subject in which you were clearly ignorant, proves you were more interested in proving your point than seeing mine, eliminating any possibility of "discussion",

As I said, your words are a window into your heart.

Mt 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

As are yours.


I thought I tried hard to give a thoughtful, factual response to your position. You continue to refuse to address my arguments.

As to my ignorance, I make no claim to be an expert, however, when it come to issues of KJVo, I have studied every aspect I come across ad nauseum. It is an issue very near and dear to my heart as I have family with whom this has, at times, become an issue of division. I would love nothing more than to be able to stand with at least some of the tenants of KJVo to bridge that divide, but more than the "better text" argument, all issues fall apart. That said, your extremist position, which I am still waiting for you to clarify, but seems to be that the KJV has some extra special revelation in it that is not found in the original has so many problems theologically that you are not willing to address. I grow tired of this back and forth. Please, stop trying to denigrate me, and start offering some actual theological arguments so we can look at them. I highly doubt your position will stand up to the challenge, which, I assume, is why you fail to present it, but I am more than willing to entertain anything. I have heard most of it before, and have already worked through most of it, but perhaps you have something new. Again, do not accuse me of not being willing to work through something. I have proven myself on these boards to be quite the opposite.

[Pastor Matt]

Enough is enough!! The future of this thread does not look very good.

Me4Him, you really need to back up your posts with proof, "because I said so" answers will not open anyones eyes.