Advanced Revelation

[Guest Guest]

There is advanced revelation in the KJV that wasn't in the TR.




*Mod note: this is a split from other threads*

[Guest Guest]

I am not sure about where ALL of the advanced revelation is yet, I am just learning. But the italics in the King James Bible were inspired of God to be there and they are advanced revelation.

Katy-Anne

[Will]

I am not sure about where ALL of the advanced revelation is yet, I am just learning. But the italics in the King James Bible were inspired of God to be there and they are advanced revelation.

Katy-Anne

Do you believe that the sign gifts are still in effect?

[Guest Guest]

Think about the italics in the KJB. Those italics weren't in the TR, but they were inspired of God to be in the KJB. Take the example of tongues. In the Bible, tongues is languages, as you can see in the Old Testament with the tower of Babel. Well, in the New Testament it talks about speaking in tongues where a lot of charismatics are messed up. But if you look in you KJB, in italics it sometimes says "unknown" tongues, and sometimes known tongues. So we see there is a difference...the unknown tongues are jibber jabber, and the known tongues are languages.

Katy-Anne

[Anon]

Yeah "advanced revelation" is heresy since God says in Revelation that if anyone adds or takes away to God's Word he will be sent to hell, basically. Which, if the translators did ANYTHING other than simply change the Hebrew/Greek to English, they would have fallen under that curse.

The italics were simply put there by the honest translators because in some cases it took more English words to say one Greek word....so they were honest enough to say "This word was not in the Greek but it means the same thing as the Greek word given. Many times Greek (or Hebrew) words included prefixes or suffixes that gave across an entire meaning; however, when translated into English, it takes several more words or even a phrase to say the same thing as the one or two Greek words. This is not "advanced revelation" but just something that happens when you translate ANYTHING.

I have a book, "The Count of Monte Cristo". The original book was written in French, and the book was translated to English. The author was Alexander Dumas. The author was not "Dumas and such and such translators", it was Dumas. Just because the languages are so different the wording had to be changed does not mean the book was no longer written by Dumas or that the book is any different from the original. It just shows that translation is a tricky process.

[Guest Guest]

So, even though this was relevant to the topics I posted it in, it gets moved because ONE poster didn't like it and thought it should be?

Katy-Anne

[Bakershalfdozen]

Advanced Revelation is a different subject. Feel free to continue your discussion here.

[Will]

So, even though this was relevant to the topics I posted it in, it gets moved because ONE poster didn't like it and thought it should be?

Katy-Anne

Katy-Anne,

I requested it be put into one topic, because Advanced Revelation needs to be thoroughly discussed as a separate issue before it can be considered in any other debate.

I would like to know exactly what your view on AR is. How do you define "Advanced Revelation?" How do you suppose it takes place? What scripture and/or historical precedent do you base this upon?

I'm genuinely interested to hear what you have to say on the matter Katy-Anne. We really do need to discuss this issue a bit more thoroughly though.

[Guest Guest]

Yeah "advanced revelation" is heresy since God says in Revelation that if anyone adds or takes away to God's Word he will be sent to hell, basically. Which, if the translators did ANYTHING other than simply change the Hebrew/Greek to English, they would have fallen under that curse.

They didn't add OR take away to God's Word because the KJB translators were under the inspiration of God. God TOLD them what to write.

We have an instance of the same thing happening in the book of Jeremiah. The King destroyed the Scripture and God told Jeremiah to re-write it, under His inspiration, and ADD to it. God is allowed to do all the adding He wants to.

Katy-Anne

[Pastorj]

It's not just one poster Katy-Anne. Obviously the moderators agree with the decision. It seems that almost every thread that is about the Bible, you bring up the heretical teaching of advanced revelation.

[Guest Guest]

Actually, it was completely relevant to the questions posed.

Katy-Anne

[Pastorj]

Again, it seems relevant to you in every Bible topic. That is what happens when you believe a heretical teaching. It causes you to be in disagreement on Bible topics.

[Will]

Actually, it was completely relevant to the questions posed.

Katy-Anne

I'm not saying it was irrelevant, but before we can discuss whether or not it's irrelevant, we need to discuss it as it's own issue.

I am very much looking forward to your answers on my questions that I've put forth. I'll be popping in and out during the day, so if I don't answer for a while, please don't think that I'm ignoring your posts, I may just be thinking about them while I'm running errands.

[kevinmiller]

@ Katy-Anne

You are referencing Jeremiah as your only source of proof. If, in the context of the verse, God did "add" to His Words(which, at this time, it was OT law and most of the Bible had not been written yet), what proof do you have that God did it again in 1611?

[Guest Guest]

I have written an article about the subject from my understanding, but decided to wait on moderator approval to post it. I have PM'd a mod about it though so if they are ok with it I'll post it for you.

Meanwhile, if anyone else has more examples of advanced revelation, you should post them!

Katy-Anne