Would you vote for a presidential candidate who was a woman?

[John81]

Just because a woman "can" or "might" be able to do something, doesn't mean she should.

There are women who "can" preach, but what does Scripture say about this?

There are women who "could" teach some men a few things in church, but what does Scripture say about this?

[Tassie-preacher]

There is not much to say on the matter, as others have said it clear enough. The only leadership over a nation is a man. Women have great ablities and have their limitations as do all of us. Gender, marital, age, the list goes on as to what somethings are limited.
Tassie-preacher

[JerryNumbers]

We have so many who do not want to submit to God, they want to be leaders, not followers, they have a form of godliness, but it not from the Bible.

Something I just found out, a man I use to work for is a very dedicated church of Christ. I just found out that his younger sister and her husband moved back to our area.

Of all things she is a Methodist pastor, pastoring 2 Methodist Churches, when I heard about this my first thought was, wish I knew what older brother had to say to her about this.

I am still amazed at the course the Methodist has taken.

[qwerty guy]

sure

[Guest Guest]

Go study about Deborah and why that came about being a leader, them you might understand it.

But besides that, did you even stop and think why they were not more women leaders? Surely if God really approved of them He woudl have appointed many more of them. And or consider these verses which are very plain.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Pe 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

1Pe 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

Of course there is a proper way of doing this, its suppose to be done in love and for the glory of God and it will not be abused if the husband loves his wife as he loves himself and the Lord thy God.

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

I do understand why and how Deborah became the leader, but that wasn't my point was it? My point was that she did a commendable job, in spite of her gender. Surely if God had disapproved of her, He would have stated such - but, in fact, He stated the opposite.

Not to put too fine a point on things, but all the verses you have given refer to family structure. I firmly believe that the man is the head of the household and family, as Christ is the head of the church. I am also fairly certain that a nation and a family are two completely different entities. Now, let me be clear - I would not vote for the woman candidate this year :cool , but that would not stop from voting for a suitable woman candidate in the future.

[JerryNumbers]

It will be very confusing if we hold to one thing in church and in our homes, but enter the world and do it different. No the Bible gives us instructions that we are to apply to our whole life, whether in church, our home, or in the world. The Bbile is clear, the woman is not suppsoe to be over the man, in church, in our home, or out in the world.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

The head of man is Christ, the head of woman is man.

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

There it is again, wives submit to your own husband.

Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

There it is once again.

Col 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

There it is again.

1Pe 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

And again.

1Pe 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

1Pe 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

No, the values we hold in church, should be the same values we hold in our homes, and they should be the same values we hold outside of our homes in the world. We are not to take our amour off while in the world.

Your ignoring God when you change values when you enter the world.

I had a church of Christ friend that believed, God & the Bible is great, but its suppose to be kept in the church and the home, outsdie of those 2 there is no place for God or the Bible.

[Guest Guest]

It will be very confusing if we hold to one thing in church and in our homes, but enter the world and do it different. No the Bible gives us instructions that we are to apply to our whole life, whether in church, our home, or in the world. The Bbile is clear, the woman is not suppsoe to be over the man, in church, in our home, or out in the world.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

The head of man is Christ, the head of woman is man.

Eph 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

There it is again, wives submit to your own husband.

Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

There it is once again.

Col 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

There it is again.

1Pe 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

And again.

1Pe 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:

1Pe 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

No, the values we hold in church, should be the same values we hold in our homes, and they should be the same values we hold outside of our homes in the world. We are not to take our amour off while in the world.

Your ignoring God when you change values when you enter the world.

I had a church of Christ friend that believed, God & the Bible is great, but its suppose to be kept in the church and the home, outsdie of those 2 there is no place for God or the Bible.

Again, every verse you listed, many duplicates of your last post, are referring directly to the husband and wife - metaphorically showing the relationship of the church to Christ. Never once did I say that we should leave the Bible out of every other are in our lives, to say that I did (or even imply it) is lying.

You have yet to show how Deborah being a judge (yet, a prophetess) of Israel and bringing peace to Israel was not looked upon favorably by God. That, in itself, is more proof for my argument than any three hundred verses you list concerning the home and the husband-wife relationship.

[John81]

God used a donkey to teach a lesson to but that doesn't mean we should be looking to donkeys for leadership.

The Lord often uses things like this to teach a lesson but that doesn't men He's endorsing such. God had the prophet marry a prostitute to teach a lesson but that doesn't mean God approves of prositution or of His people marrying prostitutes.

The context of Deborah leading was that the men failed to lead so in order to shame the men and point out their error God allowed a woman to be in the position meant for a man. This was meant as a chastisement and an object lesson.

[Guest Guest]

God used a donkey to teach a lesson to but that doesn't mean we should be looking to donkeys for leadership.

Donkey was used as a lesson, not a leader. Not a good comparison.

The Lord often uses things like this to teach a lesson but that doesn't men He's endorsing such. God had the prophet marry a prostitute to teach a lesson but that doesn't mean God approves of prositution or of His people marrying prostitutes.

A prostitute does not hold a respected position in society, who would aspire to it? Also, not a good comparison. You might as well say that God caused the Israelites to wander in the wilderness for forty years, but that doesn't mean He wants us to get lost in the desert. Not really great comparisons, see?

The context of Deborah leading was that the men failed to lead so in order to shame the men and point out their error God allowed a woman to be in the position meant for a man. This was meant as a chastisement and an object lesson.

And you think the men are doing a good job leading at this point in time? There were forty years of peace under Deborah. That makes it sound like there was more than just an object lesson involved. Like I said, if a woman candidate was running this year with the proper values and political stands - she'd have my vote.

Again, that is my opinion. You have yours, and I am not going to condemn you for it. In turn, I would expect others to see the courtesy shown and do the same for me.

[HappyChristian]

I just have to jump in here and say that when I read the story of Deborah, the context nowhere indicates that there wasn't a man to lead. I think mayhap that was the case, but the Bible does not say that, nor imply it. The shame for men came when Deborah called Barak to lead Israel to war and he refused if she didn't go. Then, and only then, did any mention of shame come in when Deborah told him she would go but the glory of the win would go to a woman.

Deborah was a good leader, chosen by God. Why, we don't know, but there it is. To try and negate her leadership as a judgment from God is adding something that scripture does not say.

I've said before that I would vote for a woman if she held to the Constitution and there was not a man who could match or go better than her as a conservative - and that would be regardless of party. But that wouldn't be something I would want to do, because I don't believe women are emotionally equipped for such a job and to do it well.

[Guest Guest]

I just have to jump in here and say that when I read the story of Deborah, the context nowhere indicates that there wasn't a man to lead. I think mayhap that was the case, but the Bible does not say that, nor imply it. The shame for men came when Deborah called Barak to lead Israel to war and he refused if she didn't go. Then, and only then, did any mention of shame come in when Deborah told him she would go but the glory of the win would go to a woman.

Deborah was a good leader, chosen by God. Why, we don't know, but there it is. To try and negate her leadership as a judgment from God is adding something that scripture does not say.

I've said before that I would vote for a woman if she held to the Constitution and there was not a man who could match or go better than her as a conservative - and that would be regardless of party. But that wouldn't be something I would want to do, because I don't believe women are emotionally equipped for such a job and to do it well.

Agreed 100%.

[JerryNumbers]

Again, every verse you listed, many duplicates of your last post, are referring directly to the husband and wife - metaphorically showing the relationship of the church to Christ. Never once did I say that we should leave the Bible out of every other are in our lives, to say that I did (or even imply it) is lying.

You have yet to show how Deborah being a judge (yet, a prophetess) of Israel and bringing peace to Israel was not looked upon favorably by God. That, in itself, is more proof for my argument than any three hundred verses you list concerning the home and the husband-wife relationship.

I don't have to show anything about Deborah, I have snow you from the New Testament and from the old Testament that wife is suppose to summit to her husband and not be the leaded.

For instant, if Hillary was president, that would put her over her husband, that goes against clear teachings of the Bible.

No, God set the roles of both man and woman, we ought to heed them and abide by them.

Of course many people let the world and its every changing ways influence them, they will take verses out of context to back up the manner they have accepted from this world.

But even more than that, how could any child of God vote for Hillary with the stand she takes on homosexuals and abortion?

[Guest Guest]

I don't have to show anything about Deborah' date=' I have snow you from the New Testament and from the old Testament that wife is suppose to summit to her husband and not be the leaded.[/quote']

Yes, I know what you have shown me, and I agree with that. The husband is supposed to be the leader of the wife.

[IM4given]

That is why I will be writing in my vote this year!

[Guest Guest]

You know it. I'd vote for my wife, if she wasn't too young. :Green