Members Psalms18_28 Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 The thing is, we do have men stepping up to run for president, and some of them are good men. it is not as if it is a bunch of women running for president because men would not step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anon Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 Of course.... I assumed the question to be hypothetical anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Psalms18_28 Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 I guess there is not enough democrat men stepping up. Mark Warner would have made a good democrat president, but he does not want to run for president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Trish Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 HA HA! You people are sooooo funny. I NEVER said I'd vote for Hillary, I just said I would vote for a women if she were the best choice. I will say though that if you decide not to vote at all then Don't complain about who does get in. If we as christians don't vote, then Hillary just might get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Trish Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 Of course.... I assumed the question to be hypothetical anyways. As did I :roll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Psalms18_28 Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 I am just saying that if you already have men stepping up, then why vote for a woman...in biblical sense. Political, well, you vote whoever you think is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anon Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 I am just saying that if you already have men stepping up, then why vote for a woman...in biblical sense. Political, well, you vote whoever you think is best. I know but the question was if we ever, under any hypothetical circumstance, would vote for a woman, and that's what I based my answer on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Psalms18_28 Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 yeah, but lucky we don't have to worry about that as long as we can keep voting them out. There probably be a time where we have no choice but vote them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted July 18, 2007 Administrators Share Posted July 18, 2007 I had to vote yes - even though it would depend on certain things. As has been said, if those like Kerry, Edwards, Obama were the nominee in one party, and Condi or someone like here were the nominee in another, I would vote for the woman. Why? Because of the two, the woman would be the lesser of two evils. Is Condi conservative? No, she is more what is called neo-conservative - still a better alternative to the ultra-left that is running. Would I like to have to vote for her? No! I would prefer a man who is pro-American. There is nothing unscriptural about voting for a woman. God did use women in leadership. Deborah is a prime example - she was a judge chosen by God. Many say that it was because there were no men willing, but the Bible doesn't say that! The Bible tells us that since Barak wasn't willing to go to battle without Deborah, a woman would receive the glory. And Jael (with her nail! :Green ) did. I do believe that a man is a better candidate, but this country is in such a mess, I believe we will have a woman president one of these days. I would hope that it would be a woman who at least loves America more than herself. By the way, Condi claims to be a Christian...and she certainly acts more like one than Hillary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 5dumplings@home Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 I had to vote yes - even though it would depend on certain things. As has been said, if those like Kerry, Edwards, Obama were the nominee in one party, and Condi or someone like here were the nominee in another, I would vote for the woman. Why? Because of the two, the woman would be the lesser of two evils. Is Condi conservative? No, she is more what is called neo-conservative - still a better alternative to the ultra-left that is running. Would I like to have to vote for her? No! I would prefer a man who is pro-American. There is nothing unscriptural about voting for a woman. God did use women in leadership. Deborah is a prime example - she was a judge chosen by God. Many say that it was because there were no men willing, but the Bible doesn't say that! The Bible tells us that since Barak wasn't willing to go to battle without Deborah, a woman would receive the glory. And Jael (with her nail! :Green ) did. I do believe that a man is a better candidate, but this country is in such a mess, I believe we will have a woman president one of these days. I would hope that it would be a woman who at least loves America more than herself. By the way, Condi claims to be a Christian...and she certainly acts more like one than Hillary! Well said! I, too, prefer that a man be in leadership. But the moral decay that came under Bill Clinton's reign was fast and furious. I would take a conservative/moral woman over that debauchery anytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted July 18, 2007 Administrators Share Posted July 18, 2007 BTW - another plus with Condi is that she isn't married, so there would be no "First Husband" to worry about like there will be if Hillary gets in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members sarcrew Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 Trish, Yes, Deborah was a prophetess who judged Israel, but, she did not lead the army of Barak. The woman she refers to regarding Sisera is Jael - who killed Sisera in his sleep. (Judges 4) Esther replaced Vashti as queen on the orders of the Persian King Ahasuerus, She "helped" lead a heathen nation that did not worship God. She herself did little actual leading anyway. (Ester) Jezebel (Old Testament) was a Phoenician princess, the daughter of King Ithobaal I of Tyre, who married King Ahab. She turned Ahab away from God and towards the worship of Baal. The two then allowed temples of Baal to open in Israel. Jezebel used her control over Ahab to subject Israel to tyranny. After she slaughtered many prophets of the Lord, the prophet Elijah confronted her to charge her with abominations. She responded by threatening to kill him as well. (1 Kings) In the New Testament, Jezebel calls herself prophetess in the city of Thyatira. She is accused in of inducing members of the church there to commit acts of sexual immorality and to eat things sacrificed to idols. (Revelation 2:20) I am not sure how you equate these examples of "leadership" as being good for Christians - regardless of sex (or gender). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Pastor Matt Posted July 18, 2007 Administrators Share Posted July 18, 2007 I am not sure how you equate these examples of "leadership" as being good for Christians - regardless of sex (or gender). Where was it stated that they were "good Christians"? Where was that comparison made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Madeline Posted July 18, 2007 Author Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 sarcrew, did you also write this article on Wikipedia? Because I noticed some striking similarities. If you did, then keep up the good work.She turned Ahab away from God and towards the worship of Baal. The two then allowed temples of Baal to open in Israel. Jezebel used her control over Ahab to subject Israel to tyranny. After she slaughtered many prophets of the Lord, the prophet Elijah confronted her to charge her with abominations. She responded by threatening to kill him as well. (1 Kings) In the New Testament, Jezebel calls herself prophetess in the city of Thyatira. She is accused in of inducing members of the church there to commit acts of sexual immorality and to eat things sacrificed to idols. (Revelation 2:20)She turns Ahab away from the God of the Israelites and (Judahites) of the Jews, and towards the worship of her god, Baal. The two then allow temples of Baal to open in Israel. Jezebel uses her control over Ahab to subject Israel to tyranny. After she slaughters the prophets of the Lord, the prophet Elijah confronts her to charge her with abominations. She responds by threatening to kill him as well. In the New Testament, Jezebel calls herself prophetess in the city of Thyatira. She is accused in Revelation 2:20 of inducing members of the church there to commit acts of sexual immorality and to eat things sacrificed to idols. Love, Madeline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Anon Posted July 18, 2007 Members Share Posted July 18, 2007 We aren't talking about church here, we are talking about America. When the judges ruled they were under a theocracy anyhow. God chose Deborah for His purposes. In the NT women are not to be over men in church but it never says its sinful to have a woman leader. Paul taught they were to obey all government, including terrible Nero...I don't see how that would change in our day. Again, we aren't voting in a pastor, we're voting in a President...and I doubt anyone on this board will be voting for a woman in 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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