Where does it say in the Bible which books belong in it?

[Samer]

I just did. Care to explain where the Septuagint got those six verses in Psalm 14?

See for yourself: http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/Psalms/index.htm

[Will]

Why do the Ethiopian Jews and the Eastern Orthodox accept the deuterocanonicals as part of their Bible?

Also, I want to ask you again, from what position are you asking these questions? What specifically are your beliefs? Your failure to answer me so far is causing me to think you are a troll.

[Guest Guest]

Also, I want to ask you again, from what position are you asking these questions? What specifically are your beliefs? Your failure to answer me so far is causing me to think you are a troll.

I don't think that you know what a troll is. A troll typically says things that are very rude and vulgar. I have not done this. But you have talked down to me and continue to avoid the questions by trying to change the subject.

[Will]

I don't think that you know what a troll is. A troll typically says things that are very rude and vulgar. I have not done this.

Not entirely true. A troll is a person who comes to a message board with the purpose of disrupting the board. So far, that seems to be your intention. You refuse to answer any questions put forth to you, instead either ignoring or deftly sidestepping the questions. You'll find I'm not so easily sent down rabbit trails.

[Pastor Matt]

From Wiki;
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.

I too would like to know what your intentions are.

[Guest Guest]

Not entirely true. A troll is a person who comes to a message board with the purpose of disrupting the board. So far, that seems to be your intention. You refuse to answer any questions put forth to you, instead either ignoring or deftly sidestepping the questions. You'll find I'm not so easily sent down rabbit trails.

I answered your questions, but you continue to dodge mine.

[Will]

I answered your questions, but you continue to dodge mine.

Where? I asked very clearly, what your purpose here is, and from what standpoint you are asking these questions. What precisely are your beliefs? You have yet to answer me.

[Guest Guest]

From Wiki;
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.

I too would like to know what your intentions are.

My intentions are to get people to dig deeper into their faith by getting them to think about things that maybe they haven't thought about before. The Bible says that if someone is lukewarm he will vomit them out of his mouth. If people don't care to grow in their faith then they are lukewarm.

[Guest Guest]

Where? I asked very clearly, what your purpose here is, and from what standpoint you are asking these questions. What precisely are your beliefs? You have yet to answer me.

I said that I am a non-denominational Christian. I believe that all scripture is the inspired word of God. And I believe that everything in the Bible is the truth.

[Will]

I said that I am a non-denominational Christian. I believe that all scripture is the inspired word of God. And I believe that everything in the Bible is the truth.

Ok. Now we can continue the discussion. Let's do one at a time. Where would you like to start?

[flaja]

Quote: "Old Testament Scholars have been able to assure us that the so-called Masoretic text is is an extremely reliable and accurate replica of the ancient autographs."

Which Masoretic texts? Ben Assher or Ben Chayyim?

The original text from Antioch that the Apostles put together has been copied and verified so many ways.

Explain please.

True SOME original King James Bibles were marketed with the Apocrypha, but they plainly discredited the text and noted it was included for historical reasons.

It used to be customary to include the Apocrypha with all printings of the AKJ- until sometime in the 19th century, I think. But the Apocrypha was always a separate section- never part of either the OT or NT. I think the Apocrypha was first left out when printing technology made super-cheap copies of the Bible available for the 1st time- something like a penny per copy in the U.S. But, I don't know if the Apocrypha is still included in British printings or when it was first left out if it is not still included.

The canon was not a fully settled issue until the second half of the 4th century. Protestants generally rely on the canon that was established by Athanasius in 367 AD.

The Bible itself never tells us what it should include and what must be rejected.

[flaja]

Why is the Septuagint version of the Old Testament (abreviated Lxx) quoted in the New Testament?

The Septuagint version of the Old Testament is the one that has the 7 deuterocanonical books which are in the Catholic Old Testament but which are not in the Protestant canon.

The NT was written in Greek since Greek was the universal 1st or 2nd language in the Roman Empire. Naturally, when an OT passage had to be discussed that passage was given in its Greek equivalent. But, to my knowledge there was not one single LXX translation, but rather multiple Greek OT translations. I would venture that when the NT needed to give an OT verse the writer simply translated it himself because he would have known both languages, and being an accurate translation, it is natural that it resembles other accurate Greek translations.

[flaja]

You ought to look at Psalm 14 and Romans 3.

The Septuagint adds six verses to Psalm 14, not in any Hebrew versions.

You have documentation for this? I have researched the King James only issue extensively and I have debated at least a dozen different modern Bible advocates, but I have never seen this claim before.

[zealyouthguy]

You have documentation for this? I have researched the King James only issue extensively and I have debated at least a dozen different modern Bible advocates, but I have never seen this claim before.

http://www.godrules.net/library/clarke/clarkepsa14.htm

I have referred, in the note on ver. 3, to that remarkable addition of no less than six verses, which is found here in the Vulgate, the Vatican copy of the Septuagint, the AEthiopic, and the Arabic, and also in St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans, iii. 13-18, which he is supposed to have quoted from this Psalm as it then stood in the Hebrew text; or in the version of the Seventy, from which it has been generally thought he borrowed them. That they are not interpolations in the New Testament is evident from this, that they are not wanting in any MS. yet discovered; and they exist in all the ancient versions, the Vulgate, Syriac, AEthiopic, and Arabic. Yet it has been contended, particularly by St. Jerome, that St. Paul did not quote them from this Psalm; but, being intent on showing the corruption and misery of man, he collected from different parts several passages that bore upon the subject, and united them here, with his quotation from Psa. xiv. 3, as if they had all belonged to that place: and that succeeding copyists, finding them in Romans, as quoted from that Psalm, inserted them into the Septuagint, from which it was presumed they had been lost. It does not appear that they made a part of this Psalmin Origen's Hexapla. In the portions that still exist of this Psalm there is not a word of these additional verses referred to in that collection, neither here nor in the parallel Psalm 53.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nl186.htm

Deuteronomy 32:43 -- from the Septuagint: "Rejoice, ye heaven, together with Him; and let all the angels of God worship him. Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with His people; and let the children of God be strengthened in Him; for He will avenge the blood of His children; He will avenge, and will repay judgment to His adversaries; and those who hate Him will he recompense: and the Lord will purge the land of His people."

This is a very important verse, and to it, as it stands in the Septuagint, St. Paul has referred once before: (Romans 15:10).

This very verse, as it stands now in the Septuagint, thus referred to by an inspired writer, shows the great importance of this ancient version; and proves the necessity of its being studied and well understood by every minister of Christ. In Romans 3, there is a large quotation form Psalm 14, where there are six whole verses in the apostle's quotation which are not found in the present Hebrew Text, but are preserved in the Septuagint! How strange it is that this venerable and important version, so often quoted by our Lord and all his apostles, should be so generally neglected, and so little known!" (This is the end of quoting from a 12 Page article by the Russell Harris, Gospel Broadcasting Association).

[flaja]

A true Christian - according to the Bible definition of the word - is someone who has trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ alone for salvation' date=' believing that He is the Saviour.[/quote']

What if you do this but don?t believe that Jesus is God, or that He was not born of a virgin or that He was crucified or that He was resurrected from the dead?

You cannot be saved by simply believing. You must know and understand what it is that you believe in.