Good or bad idea???

[JerryNumbers]

Oh I've heard them taught lots of times, that's why it probably bothers me a little. So much emphasis on the name "Baptist" makes me cringe, lol. It's not Biblical to say "there have always been people who hold to the Baptist distinctives", but it is Biblical to say "there have always been people that believe the Bible". I don't have a doctrinal problem with the Baptist Distinctives... but I think it just makes us look too much like a typical denomination, instead of truly independent churches.

It's not something I'd separate over, though. If a pastor wants to believe that Baptists started with John the Baptist (lol), then I'll just sit there and enjoy the Scripture he's teaching and ignore the little bits of Landmarkism. :smile

The emphasis is on the Bible, the Bible only, God's Word. Without it we would have nothing, but with it we can know we can have everlasting life thru Jesus Christ as well as that which God has chosen to reveal to us.

Baptist is just a name, that identifies the group who teaches the same thing that Jesus taught, and all of His apostles, that is the truth.

There was a group of people around in the year 150, 250, 350, 450 who taught just as we who go by the name of Baptist, that is those who hold to what is being referred to as the Baptist Distinctives, teach today and they were never a part of the RCC which started up in the late 200's to early 300's.

Where did denominations come from, they all came out of the RCC, splitting from them, they are called protestants, the group I spoke of above were already in existence when the RCC started up, surely you know who started them. And if you will check out history you can find out just what the RCC did to those who held to the truth and would not throw in with them

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matt 28:18-20 (KJV)

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 1:7-8 (KJV)

Those apostles from the early church at Jerusalem, who Jesus sent out from the church at Jerusalem, later it included Paul who Jesus called out on the road to Damascus,

Who started the RCC, it was started by man, it is a man made church that is built upon doctrine of man.

Jesus' Churches are built upon only Jesus.

All the word Baptist does is identifies a certain teaching that comes directly from the Bible from those who teach less than the truth.

I recall when I joined the Air Force in 1966, when I went thru my induction at Shreveport, LA, they asked me, are you Catholic or protestant? I replied, "I'm not neither, I'm Baptist."

The man declared, "Then your protestant if you not Catholic."

I replied, "No I'm not a protestant, I'm a Baptist."

By this time he was getting a bit ill with me and said, "You will be listed as a protestant, a protestant is one who protested the Catholic Church and came out of it, there is no others."

I declared, "I'm not a protestant, never have been, I never have been a part of the Catholic Church, I have never protested the Catholic Church, although they did persecute us who would not join in with them, and I do not want to be listed as a protestant, for as I told you I'm not a protestant, I'm only a Baptist."

He them said, "Airman, If you will just shut up I will put Bap. beside of protestant to show that your a Baptist."

I shut up and went on.

The RCC would like very much to make everyone believe they were the only church up until Luther came out from them, but that is false, Jesus' true churches, teaching the truth as He delivered it, has all ways been present on this earth following those instructions He gave them in Matt 28:18-20 & Acts 1:7-8 just as we are today. :saint

Isn't that what we are doing in 2008?

[Guest Guest]

Well if it's meant that way, as Baptist not being the main emphasis... it's just a descriptive word that helps the world identify who we are, then there's nothing wrong with it. Like when I was talking to a seamstress about getting my wedding dress altered, I told her that I wanted to keep it modest and she asked if I was a mormon and I told her that I'm a Baptist, and she understood.

I know we have lots of threads already here on the "Baptist" name issue, so there's not really a need to discuss it here. Like I said, I'm a Baptist but the name isn't that big of a deal to me. People can call themselves whatever but who they are and how they live the Christian life is all that's gonna matter in the end.

[JerryNumbers]

Well, it seemed you needed it explained a bit. Which generally we don't get so deep in discussing here on the poll board but it don't seem like no one is complaining.

I've seen some Baptist young women get married in dresses that were really not what I call modest. They were a bit to short for my taste. But that said, I figure all groups have some who are very liberal in their beliefs as well as the way they dress.

Back in the mid to late 90's there were many Baptist Churches who took the name Baptist off of their churches, some were SBC, but some where other Baptist groups.

Some of them left the name Baptist on their records and paper work, some of them took Baptist off of everything. They claimed the name Baptist hindered people from attending their churches. But I have been told that several of them actually dropped those Baptist Distinctives, that is completely changed their teachings to try and get the liberals to attend their churches.

Some out there will do anything to increase numbers which means more money going into their collection plates, which translates into more power. They want to keep up with the mega churches.

Oh, I might add, no Baptist Churches I know of, that holds to the Baptist Distinctives we spoke of, has ever done like the RCC, the coC, the Pentecostals, and a few others, claims that you had to be a member of their church in order to enter heaven. Instead we teach salvation comes from Jesus, not a church which is what the Bible teaches.

[Guest Guest]

Since others have had plenty of time to respond, I will say that:

"It's fine. It can be positive sometimes, but not always."

I never said everyone had to view everything exactly the same, I only said in essence that there are certain fundamental truths that are so universally agreed on by IFB's that we shouldn't have to deal with the frequent pushing of things that are against these very foundational truths. I am sorry it made you upset, but I feel I was polite, and I feel I said nothing to be ashamed of. At any rate, the purpose of the post was served, Bromatt said he would add a statement of faith in the near future. Since the things I had in mind would more than likely be contained in a basic statement of faith, I hope to be able to merely cut and paste from that when certain fundamental truths are challenged rather than wasting time refuting foundationally bad doctrine. :Green

[Guest Guest]

Guys, the question is about the general benefit of online discussion, not whether Kathie and I and others are right in discussing Bible Doctrine that you disagree with.

I think you may have misunderstood the direction of the query.

Oh, I'm back, by the way. :smile

[Bakershalfdozen]

Oh, I'm back, by the way. :smile

Welcome back! :thumb

[Guest Guest]

Guys, the question is about the general benefit of online discussion, not whether Kathie and I and others are right in discussing Bible Doctrine that you disagree with.

I think you may have misunderstood the direction of the query.

Oh, I'm back, by the way. :smile

Thanks for clarifying that, Vince. That's exactly what I meant. :thumb

I'm back too. :Green (Thanks to BroMatt!! He's awesome!)

[kevinmiller]

Were you gone? :huh:

[Guest Guest]

Umm.. yeah. Temporarily banned (though it said "Permanently" at the time). BroMatt let Vince and I back in. (because there wasn't a valid reason for us to be banned)

[Guest Guest]

Umm.. yeah. Temporarily banned (though it said "Permanently" at the time). BroMatt let Vince and I back in. (because there wasn't a valid reason for us to be banned)

Ditto :cool

[JerryNumbers]

Actually the owner of a message board does not have to have a valid reason to ban someone, so I would not be saying that on the open broad for all to see, I would stay quite and be thankful that Bro. Matt let me back in.

We all need to remember, being a member of this board is not a right, but a privilege.

[Guest Guest]

Actually the owner of a message board does not have to have a valid reason to ban someone, so I would not be saying that on the open broad for all to see, I would stay quite and be thankful that Bro. Matt let me back in.

We all need to remember, being a member of this board is not a right, but a privilege.

BroMatt didn't ban us, and he actually apologized for what happened, which is a lot more than anyone else involved did. A little research might be in order next time. :wink

[qwerty guy]

:::eats popcorn:::

[John81]

:::eats popcorn:::

Good idea. There are times when something may come up between two people here that it would be so much better for the rest of us to refrain from commenting and allow the two involved to settle it or move on.

[JerryNumbers]

BroMatt didn't ban us, and he actually apologized for what happened, which is a lot more than anyone else involved did. A little research might be in order next time.

Hold your horses just a minute and don't get your feathers riled up.

Take a good look at KJB_Princess post, oh, I will help you out, I'll copy and pate it here in my post to make it easier on you.

KJB_Princess wrote:
Umm.. yeah. Temporarily banned (though it said "Permanently" at the time). BroMatt let Vince and I back in. (because there wasn't a valid reason for us to be banned)

She used the word banned. That is all I know. So if you've got a problem with me using the word banned, take it up with here.

:roll Perhaps your the one who needs to do the research before you tell me to do some research. :roll

So apology is accepted if you want to give it.