"sons"

[heartstrings]

Specifically what kind of "sons" are referred to in the following verses? Sons of who?


Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Why has God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts? This verse says "because ye are sons".
If angels are sons, has God sent the Spirit of his Son into their hearts? Are they indwelled with the Holy Spirit?



Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

This verse says if you're a son, then you are an heir of God through Christ.
If angels are sons, are they heirs of God through Christ?

[qwerty guy]

This is a connection I've never seen before, and I'm very interested... I'm going to wait out other opinions though to possibly save me the trouble of studying for hours to dwell into this.

Is this the right section though?

[heartstrings]

I thought it would be the right section...
Since some say that angels were:
"sons of God" who shouted for joy at the creation in Job 38
"sons of God" who cohabited with daughters of men in Genesis 6

[qwerty guy]

I figured that was your connection, and I have a study that I did on the Genesis sons of God being angels... I'm writting a book on angels and devils, so if you wanted that base study I could send it to ya I guess.

That's why I'm intreged by this. If you get no posts in the next couple days, I will buckle down and see what I can find, because it should be answered.

[Jerry]

The term "son of God" is used four different ways in the Bible. In Galatians (and most of the NT), a son of God is a true believer in Christ - spiritual sons, sons that are born spiritually.

Jesus is referred to as the only begotten Son of God - a Son that was born physically (in Bethlehem).

Adam is called a son of God in Luke 3 - referring to His direct physical creation by God.

Holy angels are also referred to as sons of God in various places in the OT - as each was specially created by God (spiritual beings).

[qwerty guy]

The term "son of God" is used four different ways in the Bible. In Galatians (and most of the NT), a son of God is a true believer in Christ - spiritual sons, sons that are born spiritually.

Jesus is referred to as the only begotten Son of God - a Son that was born physically (in Bethlehem).

Adam is called a son of God in Luke 3 - referring to His direct physical creation by God.

Holy angels are also referred to as sons of God in various places in the OT - as each was specially created by God (spiritual beings).

Super.. you're a real spiritual brain here. Glad you chipped in. Now how in the world does this answer the OP... Lets get your brain down to reality here and stop patting yourself on the back for making a post just because you have a post.

I'm tired of pandering to you in a way, you insult most people with your comments. You state fact without backing it up, and you insult us by thinking we don't know the basic bible verses.

I know, as well as anyone who reads their bible, what's in it. You wanna go deeper then just saying where son's of god come up that anyone who hits cntrl F in the bible program can find? is this your depth?

You said I am Anti-bible college because I pointed out the way you post? You come off as someone who's never read the bible but just goes off what the teacher said. You didn't go to bible college? fine, then you either simply own a book by penticoast and hold it as inerrant, or maybe rice? what ever, why don't you take the time to show what you're saying? And if not that, then you are a cntrl F person.

Give some insight, instead of this insulting low level no thought stuff you luke warm pour into the mix.

Oh, and take this as correction because I have no problem being the fall guy given I'm sick of the PMs I get every time I bring this up with you on people who are too tactful to say anything to you. Maybe you don't realize how you come off but I'm pretty sure I know better and it's something deeper like you have a sandy foundation and so get pretty angry at any wind....

In Galatians (and most of the NT)' date=' a son of God is a true believer in Christ - spiritual sons, sons that are born spiritually.[/quote']

You're missing verses, and references, Prove this or don't say it. I don't trust you, you're not an authority in my life, you're text on a screen. What verses in Galatians, what's the greek, what's the cross references to prove that is what it's refuring too.



By what verses, are there any other verses that use that wording, why would that wording then transition into "a Son that was born physically"



How would you go about proving this?



Where in the OT? How do you prove it's angels? Couldn't it be believers like you said about Galatians? Why would you say they are (spirtual beings), that has nothing to do with the topic nor the OP, so what are you now trying to put into people's brains that doesn't belong in this thread?


Keep in mind, I have not said if I disagree with anything you have said, for all you know I agree with it all.... But you are nothing to me but text on a screen, as well as most people who read your wittings, and I couldn't care less about what you type.

What's your biblical proof?

[IM4given]

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[Bakershalfdozen]

qwerty,

Jerry did a good job answering the OP. If you want verses to prove what he is saying, all you had to do was ask for them.

If you have a personal problem with Jerry, don't bring it into every thread, every post. No, we don't know your tone, but you did come across as very harsh.

Jerry and heartstrings have battled this out before and probably won't come to an agreement so I don't see a need for this thread to degenerate into yet another "who are the sons of God in Job" thread. If it does, it will be closed quickly!

[John81]

It would be nice to see a civil discussion of this topic conducted in Christian love and humility rather than the mud slinging fests it's been in the past.

[heartstrings]

Gal 4:6

...God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

For what reason has He done this?
The first part of the verse tells the reason......


And because ye are sons,...

Does it specify any special type of "sons"?
Or does it simply say "sons"?
Sons of who?
The answer, of course, is sons of God.

Aren't angels sons of God?
Has God sent forth the Spirit of his Son into their hearts?

[Jerry]

Aren't angels sons of God?
Has God sent forth the Spirit of his Son into their hearts?

No, He hasn't. You are trying to make all references to the sons of God fit one passage - when this passage is only referring to one of the four usages.

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

This verse is referring to Adam, when He was created - before he fell. But before or after he fell, the Holy Spirit did not indwell him. That is only something God is doing in our dispensation. Yes, there were some people He came upon temporarily in the OT for a task.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (ie. through His physical birth), yet the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit came upon Him at His baptism - so that doesn't fit this either (as He was the Son of God His whole life, but was indwelt and filled with the Holy Spirit at 30 years of age).

As far as the OT passages about the sons of God go - whether you think they ALL refer to men, or as others believe some refer to men and some to angels (depending upon the context) - there is nothing in the OT to indicate they were indwelt by the Holy Spirit, as that is not something that happened until Jesus' resurrection and ascension (except for those disciples with Him in John 20).

[heartstrings]

Does the Bible specificly say when Adam became a "son of God"?
The moment Adam sinned, he became a wicked, lost sinner on his way to Hell, correct?
Adam was spiritually dead, correct?
Was Adam a son of God after he sinned?
If Adam died in his fallen state and went to Hell, then God just put a son of His in Hell, correct?
What did Adam have to do before he could go to heaven?
The Bible says that Jesus is the only way.
Adam was no better than you or I....he had to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to become a son of God.
SInce Adam is now a son, and he has been taken home to be with the Lord some 2000 years ago, and BEFORE Galations was written, does he not have the Holy Spirit indwelling him now?


Galations 4 simply says "sons".
It makes no distinction between any "four types".

The Bible gives an "if/then" or "deductive reasoning" type statement in Galations 4:7
It basicly says If you are a son, you are an heir of God through Christ. If angels are sons, are they heirs of God through Christ?

[Jerry]

It basicly says If you are a son, you are an heir of God through Christ. If angels are sons, are they heirs of God through Christ?

Your logic doesn't fit. You are not rightly dividing the Word of God - the passage in Galatians is referring to those NT believers in Christ, not OT believers or holy angels. Was Jesus an heir of God through Himself? (Yes, He inherited all things, but not in this sense.)

SInce Adam is now a son, and he has been taken home to be with the Lord some 2000 years ago, and BEFORE Galations was written, does he not have the Holy Spirit indwelling him now?

The passage is referring to living believers having a closeness and intimacy with the Father through the Holy Spirit that indwelt them - it is not referring to our future state.

P.S. the passage in Luke 3 is a geneology which makes no specific mention of the faith or lack thereof of each person presented - what it does is show the line from God making Adam to the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ, to show that Jesus was a descendant of man (ie. was born as a man).

[heartstrings]

If it is referring to "those NT believers in Christ" then does it apply to us?

Galations 4:7 simply means "if sons....then heirs".
The book of John says "as many as received Him...." past tense. Abraham received him, David received him. They became sons of God and heirs of God through Christ. Gives no time limit or dispensation.
Since Adam is a son, I would say he now has a closeness and intimacy with the Father now.
"if sons. then heirs" seems pretty simple to me.

[Jerry]

There are promises God made to the church that are not applicable to OT believers, and vice versa. God promised the Jews the land of Israel - we are Jews spiritually - so is it out land too? No.

It is like you are attempting to overthrow other doctrine by reading into a passage something that isn't there. The NT - for the most part - deals with the church/church age - which we fall under. Therefore this promise is for us and about us - it is not referring to OT believers, who were not part of the church, were not indwelled by the Holy Spirit (and you would have a hard time proving Scripturally that they are now - as the Bible nowhere states that) - maybe they will be in eternity, however that passage is not referring to the new heaven and earth, but to now.