Abortion supporters

[TheGloryLand]

3 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

How do you get that this is the "easy way out" for Conservative leaders? Letting the states decide is the correct measure to take. It moves the decision back to where it originally was, and makes it easier to regulate, and possibly even remove from our society. Seems like you always see things as a glass half empty....That's what's sad.

Let the majority decide for you. Right or Wrong. I see that you are already convinced. If your State decide yes, to free choices. Good luck, evil will follow. Yes, to abortions, to gay marriages, and yes to silence those of the faith. Sad BT

[BrotherTony]

2 hours ago, TheGloryLand said:

Let the majority decide for you. Right or Wrong. I see that you are already convinced. If your State decide yes, to free choices. Good luck, evil will follow. Yes, to abortions, to gay marriages, and yes to silence those of the faith. Sad BT

I've never stated "yes" to abortions, and I certainly don't let the majority decide for me. Why you would say I did is a mystery to me.  Implying I did is a prevarication on your part. My state has banned most abortions, and I support that because it's a step in the direction of NO abortions. The ideal situation would be no abortions at all, but, that's not likely to happen. I don't support gay marriages, nor do I support silencing the faith. You truly take the cake when you make statements and accusations like this. It's a sin to accuse another of such things....that's what's sad, Morales. 

Edited November 24, 2022 by BrotherTony

[TheGloryLand]

1 minute ago, BrotherTony said:

I've never stated "yes" to abortions. Implying I did is a prevarication on your part. My state has banned most abortions, and I support that because it's a step in the direction of NO abortions. The ideal situation would be no abortions at all, but, that's not likely to happen. I don't support gay marriages, nor do I support silencing the faith. You truly take the cake when you make statements and accusations like this. It's a sin to accuse another of such things....that's what's sad, Morales. 

I not saying this to you personally. To the party that I mentioned above. I know you personally don’t support the liberal movement. But you would like to please everyone. These days we cannot.

[BrotherTony]

Just now, TheGloryLand said:

I not saying this to you personally. To the party that I mentioned above. I know you personally don’t support the liberal movement. But you would like to please everyone. These days we cannot.

Another false accusation. This has got to end, Morales. Any further false allegations towards me will be sent to the moderators/administrators. 

[TheGloryLand]

Just now, BrotherTony said:

Another false accusation. This has got to end, Morales. Any further false allegations towards me will be sent to the moderators/administrators. 

Maybe you should stop following me. You reply to all my post. I don’t reply to all yours. But, I like to take this moment, happy thanksgiving to you and your love ones. BT

[BrotherTony]

6 hours ago, TheGloryLand said:

Maybe you should stop following me. You reply to all my post. I don’t reply to all yours. But, I like to take this moment, happy thanksgiving to you and your love ones. BT

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. I respond to your posts because you've made them. Yet, I try not to be insulting to you. I point out what is clear and true. Yet, you prevaricate and try to insinuate things that aren't true. There's a huge difference. I don't "follow" anyone. That is close to calling me a "stalker."  Might want to watch the unfounded accusations. I reply because they show up in my notifications. You've always got the option to reply to my posts, and I don't mind that at all. I do, however, mind the accusations and taunts you throw out. 

[MikeWatson1]

On 5/19/2022 at 4:03 AM, BrotherTony said:

I can agree that the children are being brainwashed. It's the 3nature of the beast when people continue sending their kids to public education 40+ hours a week, then allow them to be in socialistically engineered programs afterwards. The kids, if they DO go to church, are only there from 3 to 10 hours a week....one quarter of the time that is spent with the ungodly public school system. Many homes don't spend much time training their children about God except to pray before meals. I will agree that MOST things in this world today are evil, but, not all. There are actually SOME, but, not many people, saved and unsaved alike, who are trying to make things better. 

Public schools in the past I was prepared to have kids and have them attend.  Now.. not a chance.  

I know in the US you've got gender politics being put into young kids teaching.  Here in NZ its not quite as prevalent yet.. but it's going that way quickly.

[TheGloryLand]

5 hours ago, MikeWatson1 said:

Public schools in the past I was prepared to have kids and have them attend.  Now.. not a chance.  

I know in the US you've got gender politics being put into young kids teaching.  Here in NZ its not quite as prevalent yet.. but it's going that way quickly.

The new alphabets LGBTQXYZ 

[TheGloryLand]

4 hours ago, Dr. Robert S. Morley said:

I believe early abortion is a solution for incest, rape, and other unwanted pregnancies that avoids "killing" human beings.

The creation account of Genesis 2:7 and the reassembling of human life in Ezekiel 37:7-10 show a two stage process where the physical precedes the soul. They read as follows:

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" (Gen. 2:7 KJV).

"So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army" (Ezek. 37:7-10).

Also, some translations of Ecclesiastes 11:5 reveal this too, showing the breath of life coming only after significant structural formation. The ESV reads, "you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child." Though this verse speaks of not knowing how the "spirit" life "comes," it reveals that it's when "bones" are present, suggesting significant embryonic formation has occurred. 

Similarly, The NAB reads, "Just as you do not know how the life breath enters the human frame in the mother’s womb, So you do not know the work of God, who is working in everything." This translation states that "the life breath" in the womb follows the existence of a "human frame." See also the NRSV.

If the biblical accounts that show stages of human formation are a template for how human life develops, which the above translations of Ecclesiastes 11:5 support, then ensoulment occurs some time after conception. Consequently, a human zygote would not have a soul and would not yet be a human being.

Furthermore, “the 1 in 2 loss of zygotes, spontaneous abortions, and the human response to them, may corroborate that a gap exists between conception and personhood” (Preface – Abortion and the Bible: Can Pro-life and Pro-choice Both Be Right?).

Do you believe in the Holy virgin birth, in the Bible.

[Dr. Robert S. Morley]

1 hour ago, TheGloryLand said:

Do you believe in the Holy virgin birth, in the Bible.

Yes, absolutely!

[HappyChristian]

Robert, I'm not going to quote your previous post as I don't want to repeat the non-KJV verses you have used.  While I realize you are not KJV, the board is. Please change the verses you quoted so that they are KJV...I will give you time to do so but if it's not done in a timely manner, I will delete the post. And please respect the board by refraining  from quoting other versions besides the KJV. 

That said, I  totally disagree with your comment on "early abortion." Abortion is murder from the get-go.  Period. God gives life and it takes place immediately upon conception. Ergo, any abortion is murder. At any time in the pregnancy. 

[Dr. Robert S. Morley]

2 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

Robert, I'm not going to quote your previous post as I don't want to repeat the non-KJV verses you have used.  While I realize you are not KJV, the board is. Please change the verses you quoted so that they are KJV...I will give you time to do so but if it's not done in a timely manner, I will delete the post. And please respect the board by refraining  from quoting other versions besides the KJV. 

That said, I  totally disagree with your comment on "early abortion." Abortion is murder from the get-go.  Period. God gives life and it takes place immediately upon conception. Ergo, any abortion is murder. At any time in the pregnancy. 

(Here's my post without the examples of how Ecclesiastes 11:5 is translated in the ESV and NAB, which some might find displeasing. I've only used the KJV and have included Clarke and Benson as examples of how others interpret the KJV.)

I believe early abortion is a solution for incest, rape, and other unwanted pregnancies that avoids "killing" human beings.

The creation account of Genesis 2:7 and the reassembling of human life in Ezekiel 37:7-10 show a two stage process where the physical precedes the soul. They read as follows:

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" (Gen. 2:7 KJV).

"So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army" (Ezek. 37:7-10 KJV)

Ecclesiastes 11:5 reads, "As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all" (KJV). Some commentries on this verse suggest the possibility of a two-phase process in human formation. For example, Clarke's commentry reads, "thou canst not tell . . . how their soul is united to their body, how it came to inform that body, or how the child was formed in the womb of its mother."

The Benson Commentary of Ecclesiastes 11:5 interprets the KJV similarly. It reads, "As thou knowest not the way of the spirit — Of the soul of man, how it comes into the child in the womb; or how it is united with the body; or how, and whether it goes out of the body."

If the biblical accounts that show two stages of human formation are a template for how human life develops, which some commentators of Ecclesiastes 11:5 suggest possible, then ensoulment occurs some time after conception. Consequently, a human zygote would not have a soul and would not yet be a human being.

Furthermore, “the 1 in 2 loss of zygotes, spontaneous abortions, and the human response to them, may corroborate that a gap exists between conception and personhood” (Preface – Abortion and the Bible: Can Pro-life and Pro-choice Both Be Right?).

Edited April 26, 2023 by Dr. Robert S. Morley
Removed mention of NRSV, changed "two phase" to "two-phase," included Benson commentry info

[TheGloryLand]

2 hours ago, Dr. Robert S. Morley said:

(Here's my post without the examples of how Ecclesiastes 11:5 is translated in the ESV and NAB, which some might find displeasing. I've only used the KJV and have included Clarke and Benson as examples of how others interpret the KJV.)

I believe early abortion is a solution for incest, rape, and other unwanted pregnancies that avoids "killing" human beings.

The creation account of Genesis 2:7 and the reassembling of human life in Ezekiel 37:7-10 show a two stage process where the physical precedes the soul. They read as follows:

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul" (Gen. 2:7 KJV).

"So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army" (Ezek. 37:7-10 KJV)

Ecclesiastes 11:5 reads, "As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all" (KJV). Some commentries on this verse suggest the possibility of a two-phase process in human formation. For example, Clarke's commentry reads, "thou canst not tell . . . how their soul is united to their body, how it came to inform that body, or how the child was formed in the womb of its mother."

The Benson Commentary of Ecclesiastes 11:5 interprets the KJV similarly. It reads, "As thou knowest not the way of the spirit — Of the soul of man, how it comes into the child in the womb; or how it is united with the body; or how, and whether it goes out of the body."

If the biblical accounts that show two stages of human formation are a template for how human life develops, which some commentators of Ecclesiastes 11:5 suggest possible, then ensoulment occurs some time after conception. Consequently, a human zygote would not have a soul and would not yet be a human being.

Furthermore, “the 1 in 2 loss of zygotes, spontaneous abortions, and the human response to them, may corroborate that a gap exists between conception and personhood” (Preface – Abortion and the Bible: Can Pro-life and Pro-choice Both Be Right?).

If a woman that is pregnant 8 weeks, got a divorce, because her husband was cheating on her. With another man. She gets an abortion, is this a sin.

[BrotherTony]

16 minutes ago, TheGloryLand said:

If a woman that is pregnant 8 weeks, got a divorce, because her husband was cheating on her. With another man. She gets an abortion, is this a sin.

Do you really even have to ask? I think we've established that abortion is a sin...Life begins at conception. 

[TheGloryLand]

1 hour ago, BrotherTony said:

Do you really even have to ask? I think we've established that abortion is a sin...Life begins at conception. 

Let see what the Dr. have to say. It seems to me, that he may have a borderline.