Massive, Alleged, Voter Fraud.

[Alan]

It seems to me that President Trump was on the way to win the presidential election by a wide margin. When the Democratic controlled  electoral process saw an obvious Trump win the States left ( Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and Michigan), with a Democratic controlled electoral process stopped the election process, denied legal observers to observe the process, allowed ballots to come in after November 4th., and let a multitude of fraudulent ballots be counted for Biden.

Already as we speak, YouTube, the major news media, Twitter, etc.. is trying desperately to stop any rational discussion and legal remedy.

Here is a video for your consideration and information.

 

 

 

Unless the Juridical process stops this illegal method of the electoral process the United States will be considered a 'banana Republic,' that is run by the Socialists, Communists, anarchists, and anyone else with a personal vendetta against the Constitution of United States.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Alan
added alleged

[SureWord]

I wouldn't expect the "judicial process" to stop anything. They are part of the reason for all the corruption. An example would be that Bush appointed federal judge in Texas refusing to stop the drive thru ballots because the GOP couldn't prove "evil intent" which is ridiculous. Also, forget the DOJ or FBI.  Barr and the DOJ never indicted anyone involved in the coup against the President and the FBI is as crooked as the Mexican Federales.

All we can be sure of is that they are all corrupt, Trump flushed them out, there's no more "conspiracy theory" about it. We now have a Uni-Party and at least 100 million demoralized Americans. Even those who voted for Trump, though they got their way, can't say they believe in our system anymore. I hear all the time people saying that they feel America is no longer their country. A coworker told me that just today. When you take away the only power, the only say that people have in the direction of the USA, i.e. an uncorrupted election, we've entered into some dangerous ground. The government can no longer fool people into believing their empty promises if elected again so they will stay in power by ostracization, force and subjugation from now on.

I personally believe that there will be a grave consequence for what has happened that may not come to fruition until some time down the road. If you take away the voice of the people through rigged elections or censoring of free speech people will resort to violence.

[Alan]

Seeing the electoral process being corrupted by fraud, of all types, is a sad thing to witness. It is no wonder that the majority of Americans are frustrated. Biden, and the rest of the Democratic party, ought to be ashamed. But, it is apparent that the fraud was premeditated by those with no conscience. 

It is my prayer that the Supreme Court of the United States steps in to stop the fraudulent electoral process in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Michigan, Nevada, Georgia and do re-counts in Wisconsin.

If the Supreme court does not do so, than I fear that the United States is not a country run by law.

[John Young]

I'm not sure about the other states but the "mail in voting" system here in MI has only been put in place this year and was justified as a safety measure for COVID. I doubt it ever was vetted by anyone outside of the current administration because non-essential activity (such as close government scrutiny) has been denied due to social distancing policies put in place.

[Bouncing Bill]

I spent my adult life researching and gathering information for engineers, scientists, computer specialists, management, etc., etc. This conditioned me to examine ideas and issues carefully before coming to a decision. Thus, after doing this the last several days I have come to the conclusion that all the hubbub of voting counter fraud is not true. Why? Bear with me and I will give you my reasons. 

• In the states controlled by Democrats almost no Republican politicians, party officials or leaders have said there was fraud. Most have remained mute or have said they have seen no instances of fraud. 
• In Republican controlled states the report is the same. There is no sign of widespread fraud.
• If the Democrats were as good at presidential fraud as some claim, then they would not have lost seats in the House of Representatives and they would have taken over the Senate.
• Republican vote counting observers have not reported fraud.
• Courts have throw out cases. They ask for evidence and none is provided. Guilt and innocence is determined by evidence, not accusations. 
• The head of an international delegation monitoring the U.S. election says his team has no evidence to support President Donald Trump’s claims about alleged fraud involving mail-in absentee ballots. They have no axe to grind.
•  FBI Director Christopher Wray testified to Congress on Thursday that the agency has not historically seen “any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election,”
• Ben Hovland, appointed by Donald Tump as the head of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission said he has found no evidence of fraud.

This evidence had convinced me there is no widespread fraud in this election. 

[Alan]

All President Trump, and a nation of concerned American citizens, who like many other people, can think rationally, and also have experience in gathering information, is to have the legal process started, and finished by the Supreme Court, to determine, and document, the fraud that many have claimed has taken place. The public press is not the place to gather information but a legal court case is.

It seems to me that the Democratic party, and a lot of like-minded individuals, do not want transparency in the ballot counting process, the double-checking of ballots, and the proceedings of a court room. It also seems to me that due to the extreme hatred towards president Trump, and his policies, that many individuals castigate him in the public arena and will not let him have his day in Court.

 

 

 

[SureWord]

1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I spent my adult life researching and gathering information for engineers, scientists, computer specialists, management, etc., etc. This conditioned me to examine ideas and issues carefully before coming to a decision. Thus, after doing this the last several days I have come to the conclusion that all the hubbub of voting counter fraud is not true. Why? Bear with me and I will give you my reasons. 

• In the states controlled by Democrats almost no Republican politicians, party officials or leaders have said there was fraud. Most have remained mute or have said they have seen no instances of fraud. 
• In Republican controlled states the report is the same. There is no sign of widespread fraud.
• If the Democrats were as good at presidential fraud as some claim, then they would not have lost seats in the House of Representatives and they would have taken over the Senate.
• Republican vote counting observers have not reported fraud.
• Courts have throw out cases. They ask for evidence and none is provided. Guilt and innocence is determined by evidence, not accusations. 
• The head of an international delegation monitoring the U.S. election says his team has no evidence to support President Donald Trump’s claims about alleged fraud involving mail-in absentee ballots. They have no axe to grind.
•  FBI Director Christopher Wray testified to Congress on Thursday that the agency has not historically seen “any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election,”
• Ben Hovland, appointed by Donald Tump as the head of the U.S. Election Assistance Commission said he has found no evidence of fraud.

This evidence had convinced me there is no widespread fraud in this election. 

You spent years "researching and gathering information" and yet you can't see the corruptions within the new versions of the bible. As Corn Pop Biden would say, "Come on, man!"

42 minutes ago, Alan said:

All President Trump, and a nation of concerned American citizens, who like many other people, can think rationally, and also have experience in gathering information, is to have the legal process started, and finished by the Supreme Court, to determine, and document, the fraud that many have claimed has taken place. The public press is not the place to gather information but a legal court case is.

It seems to me that the Democratic party, and a lot of like-minded individuals, do not want transparency in the ballot counting process, the double-checking of ballots, and the proceedings of a court room. It also seems to me that due to the extreme hatred towards president Trump, and his policies, that many individuals castigate him in the public arena and will not let him have his day in Court.

 

 

 

My brother predicted a while back that the Democrats wanted to corrupt the election enough to have it forced into the Supreme Court. Ultimately, they want the Judiciary to determine elections. The Democrats have become the authoritarians.

[Bouncing Bill]

31 minutes ago, SureWord said:

You spent years "researching and gathering information" and yet you can't see the corruptions within the new versions of the bible. As Corn Pop Biden would say, "Come on, man!"

My brother predicted a while back that the Democrats wanted to corrupt the election enough to have it forced into the Supreme Court. Ultimately, they want the Judiciary to determine elections. The Democrats have become the authoritarians.

What evidence do you have that voter fraud happened. Now, I really mean evidence, not opinion or hearsay?

[Bouncing Bill]

40 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

What evidence do you have that voter fraud happened. Now, I really mean evidence, not opinion or hearsay?

Chris Wallace of Fox News says there is not enough evidence of voter fraud.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chris-wallace-election-fraud-not-enough-evidence

[SureWord]

3 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

Chris Wallace of Fox News says there is not enough evidence of voter fraud.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chris-wallace-election-fraud-not-enough-evidence

LOL, Chris Wallace. Maybe you should be posting in the United Methodist or Rainbow Church forum.

3 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

What evidence do you have that voter fraud happened. Now, I really mean evidence, not opinion or hearsay?

What evidence did you have for thinking that Trump colluded with the Russians?

[Alan]

19 hours ago, Alan said:

Here is a video for your consideration and information.

 

 

 

I uploaded the video so we could consider the information that the two speakers bring out.

Is is possible to discuss the specific information, gather facts, that they bring out?

Edited November 7, 2020 by Alan
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[John Young]

13 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

News says there is not enough evidence of voter fraud.

You can't have any evidence of fraud if you are not allowed to check. That's the current issue at hand is that Inspectors were not allowed to properly check the mail in ballots. In the latest press release that is what they alleged:
 

 

Edited November 8, 2020 by John Young

[Bouncing Bill]

6 hours ago, John Young said:

You can't have any evidence of fraud if you are not allowed to check. That's the current issue at hand is that Inspectors were not allowed to properly check the mail in ballots. In the latest press release that is what they alleged:
 

 

But they were allowed to check. Also, in Philadelphia they had cams all over the place watching. There were both Republican and Democratic observers standing, first 12 and then 6 feet away. The notion that they were not allowed to check is simply disinformation. I was watching one of the news channels and a highly respected Republican lawyer was questioned. He said there was no evidence of fraud and that it was almost impossible for there to be. Each machine was checked and rechecked. The paper ballots were checked and rechecked. This was all observed by people supporting each candidate. 

[John Young]

8 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

But they were allowed to check.

In what world is standing 12 or 6 feet equate to being allowed to check documents much less challenge a ballot? Maybe companies can tell that to the IRS next time they get audited. 

Regardless, the courts will decide soon enough whither or not they were denied the right to PROPERLY check. Simply taking the word of the those who possibly denied the right or opinions of those who were not there, over those who claim they were denied isn't good enough in this situation.

[SureWord]

The Democrats spent over two years trying to find evidence on Trump colluding with Russia when there was no evidence to begin with. So now it's Trump's turn. 

How could the Republicans actually gain seats in the Senate and House yet Trump still lose? And 200% voter turnout in Milwaukee plus another case of 170,00 straight ballots in a row going to Biden? And now complete censorship or "shadow banning" of any mention of these things on the social media even the entire internet? Yeah, right.