Will a person who loves sin trust in Jesus for salvation?

[mbkjpreacher]

WILL A PERSON WHO LOVES SIN AND DOES NOT WANT DELIVERANCE TRUST IN JESUS AS SAVIOR? 

All men are sinners by nature (Romans 3:23).  Sinners love darkness, that is sin and sinful practices.  Should a sinner be convicted of his sins, feel sorry about it and change his mind and heart concerning sin in order to trust in Jesus as Savior, or is it okay to continue loving sin and desiring it at the same time trusting in Jesus as Savior?  

[John Young]

A lost man cannot deal with his sin until after he has submitted to God and is born again. Otherwise he is only a self righteous lost man, trusting in his own measure of reform or regret. It is only after we are born again that we become dead to sin and alive to Christ and HIS righteousness. Dealing with sin in the life of a believer is a matter of sanctification, not salvation (study John 3 and  Romans 6-8). A lost man needs only to repent of anything keeping him from believing and trusting in Jesus payment for his sin. Afterwards God will properly deal with their sins.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

[mbkjpreacher]

35 minutes ago, John Young said:

A lost man cannot deal with his sin until after he has submitted to God and is born again. Otherwise he is only a self righteous lost man, trusting in his own measure of reform or regret. It is only after we are born again that we become dead to sin and alive to Christ and HIS righteousness. Dealing with sin in the life of a believer is a matter of sanctification, not salvation (study John 3 and  Romans 6-8). A lost man needs only to repent of anything keeping him from believing and trusting in Jesus payment for his sin. Afterwards God will properly deal with their sins.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Yes I agree that he cannot deal with his sins, since it is only the Lord who will cleanse and forgive him of all his sins after he repent and believe.  My question, when does the Holy Spirit convict a man of sin, is it before salvation or after salvation?   

My next question is, If the Holy Spirit convicts the sinner before salvation, is it not possible through the grace of God that he would realize his sins, and change his mind from loving sin to hatred of it, and desire for Salvation and so trust in Jesus as Savior?  

[mbkjpreacher]

Another question I would like to ask is based on your statement, "A lost man needs only to repent of anything keeping him from believing and trusting in Jesus payment for his sin. Afterwards God will properly deal with their sins.".  If a man does not believe in God and he believes it is illegal drugs that could save him from problem, should he repent of that sinful belief and practice and trust in Jesus for salvation?  

[John Young]

First you need to understand that the free gift of God is not obtained by "repentance of sin" but rather by faith in Christ alone. 

Second, you need to understand the goal of salvation is not reform of man into a good person but rather to bring them back to God. 

It makes no difference their feelings about sin BEFORE salvation. Some have a great deal of sorrow others a simple acknowledgement. What matters is that they turn to God through faith in Christ. The matter of sin can also be dealt with in the life of a lost man through the law and conviction of what God has naturally placed in their heart. A lost man can be sorry for sin and reform his life, even appear to be a believer by the deeds he does (like Judas Iscariot) others can even be convicted that their sin is evil. However, this "repentance of sin" does not in any way save them. The birth must come first.

Romans 2:14-15 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Romans 9:31-33 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 as it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

[mbkjpreacher]

According to your statement:  

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A lost man needs only to repent of anything keeping him from believing and trusting in Jesus payment for his sin. Afterwards God will properly deal with their sins."

A lost man needs only to repent of anything keeping him from believing and trusting in Jesus payment for his sin.  My question is if the lost man has the belief that drugs is what saves him from problem and he does not believe in any kind of salvation, should he repent of that sin?  Should a man repent of the false belief of salvation?  Is the false belief sin? 

[John Young]

Repentance of any sin is good and right for anyone and can give the person temporal benefits but it will only give eternal benefits to the saved man.

[mbkjpreacher]

14 minutes ago, John Young said:

Repentance of any sin is good and right for anyone and can give the person temporal benefits but it will only give eternal benefits to the saved man.

Is unbelief sin?  

 

 

Please answer this question, Is unbelief a sin?  

[John Young]

James 4:17 ... to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

[mbkjpreacher]

So you affirm that unbelief is sin.. right 

 

My question should a sinner repent of the sin of unbelief?  Yes or no? 

[John Young]

I never denied it. It is my view, and the view of all Christians that all people should depart from sin.

[mbkjpreacher]

11 minutes ago, John Young said:

I never denied it. It is my view, and the view of all Christians that all people should depart from sin.

So If you believe that unbelief is sin, and you define repentance as a change of mind from unbelief (sin) to belief in Christ, then you do believe in repentance of sin for the unsaved to be saved, of course followed by faith??? 

[John Young]

NO. Repentance is turning from pride and rebellion to humble submission.

[mbkjpreacher]

Is pride and rebellion sin or not? 

 

The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.
(Psalms 10:4 KJV)
 

For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
(Mark 7:21-22 KJV)
 

Do you deny that pride and rebellion is sin?  

[John Young]

Yes they are sins. This has not been denied. Your problem is you are trying to make general and generic what God has placed in specifics. Salvation is not obtained by a general remorse for sin but rather the specific sins of pride and rebellion against God. When anyone repents by humbly submitting to God by faith in Christ, then they will be saved. Their level of remorse or regret or turning from sin, in the general, does not matter. If they have a sense of remorse then that is great but to claim they need anything more than humble submission before coming to Christ is to add to the gospel.

John 3:14-15 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Numbers 21:8 And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live