Kids taken over beliefs

[Anon]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380741,00.html
This is rather scary. Its in Canada...but although we do not agree with this woman's belief....I do not think the state had any right to steal her children. Kids go to school with tatoos all the time....so if a kid goes to school with a cross tatoo I suppose in a few more years that will be grounds for stealing them too....

[Guest Guest]

kitagrl...I couldn't agree with you more. :thumb What about the Muslims, and the fasting they make their children do?...To the point where they pass out in on the school floor? Canadians should be looking into this, as it is dangerous to a child's health. JMO.

candlelight

[Anon]

When it comes down to it, every parent is going to do things the government disagrees with. I know Christian parents who do things to their kids that I don't agree with, and I might even think is mean. The world is just too nosey anymore.

[Guest Guest]

When it comes down to it' date=' every parent is going to do things the government disagrees with. I know Christian parents who do things to their kids that I don't agree with, and I might even think is mean. The world is just too nosey anymore.[/quote']

ITA! The government has their hands in everthing! The "whole" child welfare system has gotten out of control, IMO. They started out investigating who they believed to be "unfit" parents...now, everyone is "unfit", to some degree...in the government's eyes. The USA isn't that far behind Canada...with a socialist government "swooping" in to take over. And, what bothers me is...in the courts, many of the social workers, and guardian ad-litems are women who are unmarried w/o children, and I have known some to be Lesbians. Where is the common sense, here?

BTW...my last comment was, merely thrown in there to look at all cultures in general. The "home-grown" as they would say...seem to take the brunt of everything these days.

candlelight

[Anon]

The scary thing is, I could ruin somebody's life with one phone call if I wanted to....

"Hello? Yes I'd like to report a family in our church for child abuse...." and their life is over as they know it.

Really sad...and scary...and happens every day.

[Guest Guest]

Kitagrl...Exactly! I know several single moms...this has happened too. Usually, it is an ex-husband...but, sometimes it is the jealous girlfriend of the ex-husband. It is very sad, b/c it is that person's word against the other. Many times the children are too small to speak for themselves. At other times, they feel so "caught in the middle" that they don't know what to do? It is sad. :sad When I was teaching, I saw much of this. Our government has way too much control, b/c of the child welfare system that has gotten "out of control".

candlelight

[John81]

The UN has been pressuring the US to adopt the Rights of the Child treaty (or whatever it's called now) which basically says a childs "rights" trumps that of parents. The portions I've read states that a child is to be allowed to determine their own religious preferences without parental pressure and if parents try to instill a particular religion in their children that amounts to brainwashing and would be illegal.

This same treaty, or whatever, also says children should have vitually unlimited access to TV and the internet without parental censorship.

Of course, as always, while these liberals want to take away a parents ability to raise their children right so they become decent adults, if the children get into trouble, it's the parents fault and they are the ones who will pay the price.

Many shrinks and liberals are pushing for this to be adopted and are even pushing for their own American version.

[Ashlee]

silly people

[John81]

Dangerouspeople.

[Ashlee]

jah

[JerryNumbers]

If you saw true child abuse that made you fear for the child's life would you report it?

Or maybe we should include sexual abuse in there too.

[tired]

If I saw true child abuse I would report it. If it was in the church I would go to them and talk with them and then move up to the deaconsthen the pastor if the parents would not repent.

[JerryNumbers]

[quote="tired"]If I saw true child abuse I would report it. If it was in the church I would go to them and talk with them and then move up to the deacons then the pastor if the parents would not repent.[/quote]

I know it would be a tough call and difficult thing to do. It can be so hard to be sure there is abuse going on. We sure would not want to accuse someone of abusing their children in any way who were not abusing them. But at the same time if at all possible we would want to help a child that's in an abusive situation.

I don't believe I have ever been around but one situation that seemed wrong. That was at a family get together, which all of my family were broken up at an early age. I got a half-sister to agree to have a get together at her house so that several of us could meet one another and spend time together.

One cousin from Texas had a step-daughter, she was probably 14 or 15, he was probably 40 to 45, several of us saw a several things that did not seem the least bit appropriate go on between those 2. The way this girls mother acted seem did not seem normal either. We all were totally convinced that things were out of hand.

My half-sister whose house it was saw much more than us others did, she called child protective service at their home town after they left.

I for one, just do not understand how adults can abuse nor mistreat children in any manner.

And to think what children must go thru if they are being sexually abused, it has to be horrible for them.

[His by Grace]

If you saw true child abuse that made you fear for the child's life would you report it?

Or maybe we should include sexual abuse in there too.

Yes! Yet having said that... not automatically to social services!!! I would go within the church making sure the child was removed from the home immediately!! Then I would work thru Baptist Pastor's seeking a Christian (Baptist) child psycologist with a speciallity in child abuse of whatever nature was needed. I would work thru the christian community where I could because I'm no longer convienced the "government program's" do the best by children from christian home's. There's a bias there so they would possible use it at the entire families detriment. Remember, The abuse (especially not physical) could be coming thru another family memeber or some other adult the child is in contact. Having said all this, we need to have more Pastor's educated in this area along with a few more that the church seem's to overlook. It is the churches jOB to protect their family members,,,all of them!

[bzmomo7]

Yes! Yet having said that... not automatically to social services!!! I would go within the church making sure the child was removed from the home immediately!! Then I would work thru Baptist Pastor's seeking a Christian (Baptist) child psycologist with a speciallity in child abuse of whatever nature was needed. I would work thru the christian community where I could because I'm no longer convienced the "government program's" do the best by children from christian home's. There's a bias there so they would possible use it at the entire families detriment. Remember, The abuse (especially not physical) could be coming thru another family memeber or some other adult the child is in contact. Having said all this, we need to have more Pastor's educated in this area along with a few more that the church seem's to overlook. It is the churches jOB to protect their family members,,,all of them!

I agree with you that the gov't isn't the best way, but one thing to consider is that in certain states (I believe Utah is one of them) it is said that "everybody is a reporter" meaning that if you know about abuse you are REQUIRED by law to turn it in or face prosecution yourself for not having done so if it is found out. In other states it is required I think of those say like in a school system etc. It would be great if Christian parents who need help could look to the church to teach them more about Biblical parenting. Too many people have gotten away from God's Word, so that it seems that many have children and don't know what to do with them. I know that even my husband and I have had to learn much along the way on our own due to lack of Biblical instruction from our parents and an initial liberal church background.