Anxiety/Depression Meds

[JerryNumbers]

The Bible doesn't teach that we must experience something before we have a Bible-based opinion about it. :thumb

As with most things, what some people call love or compassion could be just the opposite if we let our pity keep us from standing on the truth of God's word.

I wish there were some way we could know what the disciples, apostles, and early church did to calm their fears, worries, depression, and other emotional and mental disorders since they didn't have psychologists and meds to rely on.

There is no reason to make little of what has worked for so many Christians for so many centuries.

Brain damage and retardation is another discussion all together. This topic is about anxiety and depression.

What worked in the past was to hid those with mental problems out, many times locking them all up together in a place and not rightly treating them as humans. Many times they experiment with them, giving them electrical shocks. Sometime they even went in and destroyed part of their brains. In the past many who had someone in their family will mental illness did not hardly let anyone know that person existed.

I thank God its done different now days than in the past, the way they did it in the past was not even humane, nor a Christian way to treat people who were mentally sick.

We surely do not want to revert back to the way it was once done.

I feel sure to, that anyone here who had and infection in their foot would go to the doctor and seek antibiotics to cure the infection. Surely you would not risk losing your foot or your life.

People with mental illness needs treatment too, if they don't get it, there is no telling what they might do, perhaps even commit suicide. Surely we would not want it on out shoulder that we kept them from treatment that was available and because we did they killed their self, maybe someone else too.

Experience is a wonderful teacher, it can open ones eyes up, especially when dealing with people who have mental illnesses.

Remember what the Kennedy's did with daughter and sister. We discussed it not long back.

[Colin Stolzer]

I feel sure to, that anyone here who had and infection in their foot would go to the doctor and seek antibiotics to cure the infection. Surely you would not risk losing your foot or your life.

And you'd be wrong and you shouldn't speak for other people you don't even know.

C

[speerjp1]

What worked in the past was to hid those with mental problems out, many times locking them all up together in a place and not rightly treating them as humans. Many times they experiment with them, giving them electrical shocks. Sometime they even went in and destroyed part of their brains. In the past many who had someone in their family will mental illness did not hardly let anyone know that person existed.

I thank God its done different now days than in the past, the way they did it in the past was not even humane, nor a Christian way to treat people who were mentally sick.

We surely do not want to revert back to the way it was once done.

I feel sure to, that anyone here who had and infection in their foot would go to the doctor and seek antibiotics to cure the infection. Surely you would not risk losing your foot or your life.

People with mental illness needs treatment too, if they don't get it, there is no telling what they might do, perhaps even commit suicide. Surely we would not want it on out shoulder that we kept them from treatment that was available and because we did they killed their self, maybe someone else too.

Experience is a wonderful teacher, it can open ones eyes up, especially when dealing with people who have mental illnesses.

Remember what the Kennedy's did with daughter and sister. We discussed it not long back.

Remember we are discussing anxiety/depression meds, not all the other stuff that keeps being brought up.

The methods of dealing with mental illness that you describe above are the deplorable contrivances of man. I do not believe there is any evidence that those types of problems were handled that way during the times of Christ or the early church times.

I see the perpetual medication of such problems to be no better and no more humane than the things that were done to people years ago: they both keep the people in their squalor.

As I mentioned before, I'm not totally anti-medication, but I can't see any examples given in the Bible that would lead me to believe that their use should be any more than a limited last resort, if that.

We are given so many ways to deal with mental and emotional and spiritual problems in God's word that it cannot be discounted to the degree that it is being discounted by the majority of politically correct Christians of our day. :smile

[Guest Guest]

I just wanted to add something. We have been speaking about the saved person here, right? What about a person who doesn't know Christ as Personal Saviour? Many of these people "try" holistic methods and they don't work. An example of this is: my hubby's first girlfriend committed suicide when she was in her mid twenties. He only dated her for several months, and took her to our IFB church for many services while they dated. She was influenced by her parents to go back to her Protestant church, where she began to teach Sunday school. Shortly after that, she took her life. Was she saved? We don't know. My MIL has said "there is comfort in not knowing". That brought some peace to my hubby.

Her father is a licensed Social worker who works at a Catholic agency which does holistic treatment for depression and anxiety. How did they miss this? We don't know? My point is this, many times the brain should to be medicated...especially when someone doesn't know Jesus Christ as Personal Saviour. Then, hopefully and prayfully that person will come to know Christ as Saviour so that they don't have to rely on medication of this sort anymore. :2cents

[JerryNumbers]

I just wanted to add something. We have been speaking about the saved person here, right? What about a person who doesn't know Christ as Personal Saviour? Many of these people "try" holistic methods and they don't work. An example of this is: my hubby's first girlfriend committed suicide when she was in her mid twenties. He only dated her for several months, and took her to our IFB church for many services while they dated. She was influenced by her parents to go back to her Protestant church, where she began to teach Sunday school. Shortly after that, she took her life. Was she saved? We don't know. My MIL has said "there is comfort in not knowing". That brought some peace to my hubby.

Her father is a licensed Social worker who works at a Catholic agency which does holistic treatment for depression and anxiety. How did they miss this? We don't know? My point is this, many times the brain should to be medicated...especially when someone doesn't know Jesus Christ as Personal Saviour. Then, hopefully and prayfully that person will come to know Christ as Saviour so that they don't have to rely on medication of this sort anymore. :2cents

candlelight, We hear of many who commit suicide because of depression, most of those who do, don't get no help & or someone leads them to the wrong help. If they get the right help, many times it can be prevented. But we have some here who would keep them from the right help and yet think they were doing the right thing.

Of course we will never be able to keep all people who has a bad case of depression from committing suicide.

One other thing, you will never hear me say, "That person trouble is caused from sin, if they would only confess their sin they would be cured." Though you might well hear me say, that person trouble might be caused from sin, if it is and they would confess their sin, God would heal them.

The trouble is, to many don't know the 1st thing about mental illness, but they can tell you all about it, what causes it, and the exact cure.

That is kind of like the man or woman who never raised any children, but they can tell ever parent how to raise theirs. I remember one man and woman who had some dogs, never had children, but they put down everyone who had children, saying they don't know how to raise children, but would tell exactly how it should be done and go on and say if they had children how well they would behave their selves, just as their dogs do. True story, their names were Danny & Kay.

I'm out of here, this is going no where, some cannot understand this at all. I just hope and pray it never touches their life in any fashion.

[deputydog530]

speerjp1 wrote:

There is no reason to make little of what has worked for so many Christians for so many centuries.

Who said that?

This brings another question to my mind. How many of them killed themselves, or were killed by thier families?

Also back to the retarded person. They were born that way. So is most Bi-polar people. What is the difference? There is none.

Again, I dont think anyone is discounting the power of God and his Word. If you read some the posts again, you will see that. Its just on rare occasions and a lot of times temporarily, and sometimes permanently medication has its place.

Again, if you are doing what the Bible says and counciling with your Pastor to have help rightly dividing the word of truth, if you doing these things and the illness stays, its a medical problem, not a spiritual one.


God Bless

[Colin Stolzer]

Who said that?

This brings another question to my mind. How many of them killed themselves, or were killed by thier families?

Also back to the retarded person. They were born that way. So is most Bi-polar people. What is the difference? There is none.

Again, I dont think anyone is discounting the power of God and his Word. If you read some the posts again, you will see that. Its just on rare occasions and a lot of times temporarily, and sometimes permanently medication has its place.

Again, if you are doing what the Bible says and counciling with your Pastor to have help rightly dividing the word of truth, if you doing these things and the illness stays, its a medical problem, not a spiritual one.


God Bless

Are you and Jerry808 saying that God can only fix spiritual problems and can only heal medical problems through men and medication?

C

[Guest Guest]

candlelight' date=' We hear of many who commit suicide because of depression, most of those who do, don't get no help & or someone leads them to the wrong help. If they get the right help, many times it can be prevented. But we have some here who would keep them from the right help and yet think they were doing the right thing.[/quote']


She was even hospitalized 2 days before she took her life. They let her go without a psychological evaluation. :loco

[1John2:15-17]

Thanks for the post...glad you are doing well.

I agree that one should "hopefully" find the right doctor and if possible not make medication the "automatic" first choice. Unfortunately there are way too many docs out there that are pill pushers.

[JerryNumbers]

Thanks for the post...glad you are doing well.

I agree that one should "hopefully" find the right doctor and if possible not make medication the "automatic" first choice. Unfortunately there are way too many docs out there that are pill pushers.

Good points made.

I had to make one more post. If its caught early enough people can be helped. But if its not caught early enough and treated, they may do harm to their self or someone else or the treatment will no work as well and they may never be able to rightly care for their self again.

[deputydog530]

Cowboypreacher wrote:

Are you and Jerry808 saying that God can only fix spiritual problems and can only heal medical problems through men and medication?

I dont think you read my posts or not all of them. I will even repost below what you highlited in your post that I said.

I wrote: Again, I dont think anyone is discounting the power of God and his Word. If you read some the posts again, you will see that. Its just on rare occasions and a lot of times temporarily, and sometimes permanently medication has its place.

Not sure where you came up with the statement that you said

Are you and Jerry808 saying that God can only fix spiritual problems and can only heal medical problems through men and medication

You must have missed the testamony of my Bi-polar wife who is NO LONGER ON MEDS. That is the power of God. There was a time they were needed.

Wasnt going to post anymore on this topic, but wanted you to get the full understanding of my posts Brother Cowboy.

80% of the depressed people I dealt with in Law Enforcement were depressed because of thier own issues (stress, diet, drugs, possible demonic posession, yep ive seen it im sure etc.) The other 20% were good people, some believers, who had a true physical illness of the brain. Most I knew personally, (small town) and were on meds temporarily, some permanantly. I hope ive cleared up your question Brother.

Not posting to argue or get anyone riled up, just make sure my posts were understood.

Thanks to all for thier posts, I pray we all come away from this discussion seeking the Lord's leading.

God Bless :smile

[Guest Guest]

[quote="deputydog530"]The other 20% were good people, some believers, who had a true physical illness of the brain.[/quote]


This is what believers should remember about drugs. My medication...as I posted, is saving my life. It is a "heavy duty" drug, but fortunetly I only have to take a small dosage. :thumb

I am not posting to agrue, either. I do hold true to what I said before, though. Unless you have a medical degree it is wise to let the physicians do their jobs. :smile

[missfiddlyn27]

Hi. All I can say is that when meds are prescribed, get a second opinion just to be certain. Some psychs more liberally dispense medication than others, and in my experience, a startling number of psychiatrists are kinda irresponsible about it. Just check with another doc, pray, and you'll be sure to find out what you need to do.