HOW SHOULD WE VOTE?

[John81]

Considering none running are going to keep the oath of office they swear before God and man we already know they are not going to do right.

[heartstrings]

 

Considering none running are going to keep the oath of office they swear before God and man we already know they are not going to do right.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."^[1]

One of the 4 has a proven track record of doing just that, my friend, and I'll give you a hint: it ain't the two communist/socialist/totalitarians or the casino owner.

[John81]

Actually, their votes for and funding of unconstitutional programs, agencies and departments clearly indicates they are unwilling to abide by the Constitution. As does their lack of attempts to bring the federal government into compliance with the Constitution and their lack of support of those who have.

No, not one.

[HappyChristian]

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to what Cruz has been doing in the Senate. And before then. But, hey. Let's broad brush with calling someone who has walked his talk a phony and then push the false idea that he's voted against the Constitution. 

Yeah. That's honest. Not.

[John81]

http://www.libertyconservatives.com/ted-cruzs-biggest-flip-flops/

https://marcorubio.com/news/ted-cruz-flip-flop-marco-rubio-debate/

[HappyChristian]

I would suggest doing some actual research...it's so funny how quickly those who've ranted about wanting to see someone who is saved and a constitutionalist run for POTUS accept what has been particularly fixed to paint someone in a bad light. 

 

[John81]

 

I have to be very honest in this issue. I almost fear voting for a 'Christian" candidate for president. Why? Simply, because virtually ALL Christian so-called candidates of late have been cultists (Romney, Kennedy, Robertson), Charismatic (Palin -okay VP), or whatever brings the votes, ie phonies (Bush, Obama, Cruz, Clintons, et al). Not a one do I trust. Many who run on conservative Christianity tend toward dominionism, and would want to make it a 'Christian' government with 'Christian' laws, usually based poorly on the OT laws, which were not designed for any other people than Israel.   Personally, I might prefer an atheist who is a constitutionalist.   Now I know that sounds like it wouldn't work, and I agree in part-after all the constitution is based on the premise that the constitution outlines RIGHTS given by GOD, not privileges granted by the government, and an atheist might have a hard time with that. However, if one truly believes, regardless of where the rights originate, that the US Constitution is the LAW OF THE LAND and will actually follow it regardless of their personal thoughts, I suspect I might trust that person more.

That being said, I think the only open atheist running for office right now is Bernie Sanders, but he is clearly not a constitutionalist.

Personally I believe a true godly believer would not want to take the lesser position to go from being a pastor, a preacher, a missionary, a speaker of the gospel of Jesus Christ, to becoming the President. Ours is a higher calling.

[HappyChristian]

Waiting for real research....crickets...

[swathdiver]

 

I have to be very honest in this issue. I almost fear voting for a 'Christian" candidate for president. Why? Simply, because virtually ALL Christian so-called candidates of late have been cultists (Romney, Kennedy, Robertson), Charismatic (Palin -okay VP), or whatever brings the votes, ie phonies (Bush, Obama, Cruz, Clintons, et al). Not a one do I trust. Many who run on conservative Christianity tend toward dominionism, and would want to make it a 'Christian' government with 'Christian' laws, usually based poorly on the OT laws, which were not designed for any other people than Israel.   Personally, I might prefer an atheist who is a constitutionalist.  

Christians are not to yoke with unbelievers.  Anyone calling themselves a Christian with no biblical testimony of salvation is not a Christian at all.  They are still children of the devil.  The atheist too is a child of the devil and is not governed by a book or a piece of paper but by the desires of his belly.

We honor God by supporting Christian leaders who honor God.  And the first way that anybody can serve and honor God is to be saved by the blood of the lamb.  For the saved man has the Spirit of God in him to serve as a guide to serve Jesus Christ.  The lost man is still running with the devil.  

[John81]

 

Christians are not to yoke with unbelievers.  Anyone calling themselves a Christian with no biblical testimony of salvation is not a Christian at all.  They are still children of the devil.  The atheist too is a child of the devil and is not governed by a book or a piece of paper but by the desires of his belly.

We honor God by supporting Christian leaders who honor God.  And the first way that anybody can serve and honor God is to be saved by the blood of the lamb.  For the saved man has the Spirit of God in him to serve as a guide to serve Jesus Christ.  The lost man is still running with the devil.  

What about the professing Christian leaders who talk the talk but don't walk the walk?

What about the professing Christian politicians who are obviously compromised with their myriad of yoking with unbelievers, false religionists and such?

As Mike pointed out, there are no Christians running for president who aren't compromised, unequally yoked, they are not living a God honoring life.

How many professing Christian presidents, senators and representatives have been elected to office over the past several decades which tickle the ears during election cycles but govern like other politicians?

How many times have professing Christian politicians told us they have no choice but to compromise away those things they claimed to stand for?

All those professing Christians in office over the past several decades and abortion is the law of the land, sodomite marriage is the law of the land, the federal government continues to grow outside the bounds of the Constitution, Mormons are declared to be good Christians, political correctness covers the land, divorce is rampant, the Constitution is ignored or twisted far more than it is upheld.

Voting for professing Christian politicians has not stemmed the tide of evil in America.

[heartstrings]

Back in the Book of 1 Samuel God chose a man "after His own heart" who later disobeyed and took a census, then committed adultery, conspiracy, and murder; and  God KNEW David would do all that when He chose him. The good kings Solomon and Hezekiah did some stupid stuff too. Brotherman,  no politician is going to be perfect. Unlike God, we are not omniscient in our choices and even if we were, those we trust with some kind of responsibility will STILL sin. But even at that there IS a difference between the "godly" and wicked.  I'm not voting for some Ahab or Jezebel who clearly denies God in words and deeds and wants to establish Totalitarianism, push the "LGBT" agenda, advocate the wholesale slaughter of the unborn, disarm our citizens so they can persecute us to the fullest, and neither will I vote for a playboy casino owner who admits he's doesn't need the forgiveness of God and has no real principles. I like a man who will at least admit, "I was a sinner and Jesus has saved me by grace" (Like the Cruz's do). I assume you believe your preacher, and other brothers and sisters when "profess" Christ? They all sin too. Do you always "walk the walk"? I certainly don't.

Edited March 30, 2016 by heartstrings

[HappyChristian]

 

Back in the Book of 1 Samuel God chose a man "after His own heart" who later disobeyed and took a census, then committed adultery, conspiracy, and murder; and  God KNEW David would do all that when He chose him. The good kings Solomon and Hezekiah did some stupid stuff too. Brotherman,  no politician is going to be perfect. Unlike God, we are not omniscient in our choices and even if we were, those we trust with some kind of responsibility will STILL sin. But even at that there IS a difference between the "godly" and wicked.  I'm not voting for some Ahab or Jezebel who clearly denies God in words and deeds and wants to establish Totalitarianism, push the "LGBT" agenda, advocate the wholesale slaughter of the unborn, disarm our citizens so they can persecute us to the fullest, and neither will I vote for a playboy casino owner who admits he's doesn't need the forgiveness of God and has no real principles. I like a man who will at least admit, "I was a sinner and Jesus has saved me by grace" (Like the Cruz's do). I assume you believe your preacher, and other brothers and sisters when "profess" Christ? They all sin too. Do you always "walk the walk"? I certainly don't.

What he said!  (even though you DID use the OT...heh)

And it is a  false dichotomy to claim that we cannot or ought not vote for someone who claims to be a Christian (you know, just like all of us on here claim to be...) based on the falseness of another.  

[swathdiver]

 

What about the professing Christian leaders who talk the talk but don't walk the walk?

What about the professing Christian politicians who are obviously compromised with their myriad of yoking with unbelievers, false religionists and such?

As Mike pointed out, there are no Christians running for president who aren't compromised, unequally yoked, they are not living a God honoring life.

How many professing Christian presidents, senators and representatives have been elected to office over the past several decades which tickle the ears during election cycles but govern like other politicians?

How many times have professing Christian politicians told us they have no choice but to compromise away those things they claimed to stand for?

All those professing Christians in office over the past several decades and abortion is the law of the land, sodomite marriage is the law of the land, the federal government continues to grow outside the bounds of the Constitution, Mormons are declared to be good Christians, political correctness covers the land, divorce is rampant, the Constitution is ignored or twisted far more than it is upheld.

Voting for professing Christian politicians has not stemmed the tide of evil in America.

Are you trying to justify voting for a lost person because all the Christians are bad John?

If we had more than one Christian running then obviously we would have liberty to choose which one now wouldn't we?

The Holy Ghost restrains evil in this world and does so through the local church which is the salt and light and pillar and ground of the truth.  Yes, if were not for those Christians in office, our country and this world would be even more wicked and depraved than it already is.  You should know better John.  Either you're delighting in playing devil's advocate or you're trying to justify voting for lost people for office.  

[John81]

 

Are you trying to justify voting for a lost person because all the Christians are bad John?

If we had more than one Christian running then obviously we would have liberty to choose which one now wouldn't we?

The Holy Ghost restrains evil in this world and does so through the local church which is the salt and light and pillar and ground of the truth.  Yes, if were not for those Christians in office, our country and this world would be even more wicked and depraved than it already is.  You should know better John.  Either you're delighting in playing devil's advocate or you're trying to justify voting for lost people for office.  

Not at all on either count. It's called discussion. Some Christians advocate voting for only solid, clearly born again Christian candidates who clearly walk the walk even as they talk the talk. Other Christians are fine with voting for anyone who claims to be a Christian regardless of whether they actually are or not and regardless if their walk doesn't match their talk. Some Christians say it only matters what a candidates view of the Constitution is while some only care about one or a few litmus test points such as a candidates stance on abortion, or military matters, or immigration, etc. Then there are those Christians who believe we should vote for whoever they believe has the best chance of winning, with little actual regard as to their status of salvation or walk in life. Of course, there are also those Christians who are diehard Democrats or Republicans who will blindly cast their vote for the same Party election after election. Not to forget those Christians who, for a variety of reasons, don't vote.

Given all these differing views and approaches it's little wonder many Christians don't know how to determine their vote or if to vote. It's also little wonder Christians have such little impact upon the election of national candidates.

This presidential election season began with something like 17 different candidates running for the Republican nomination. As far as I can recall, all of them profess to be Christian. Two of the candidates many Christians had been calling to run for office and declaring their support for them because they are seen as good Christian candidates (Huckabee and Perry) both received very little support after they announced their candidacy and both were forced to drop from the race early.

The same thing happened in the last two presidential election cycles. Many Christian Republican candidates running, none receiving majority support of Christians. In those elections the Republican candidate turned out to be a Left leaning fake Christian followed by a Left leaning Mormon "Christian" (recall how many Christian leaders, pastors and laity declared Romney to be a Christian and Mormonism to be just another branch of Christianity).

So, do we cast our vote for whoever is on the ballot which claims to be Christian regardless of their actual status of salvation? Regardless of their walk not matching their talk? Regardless of their faulty views of Scripture? Regardless of their ungodly yokings and associations?

Or is their another, better course of action?

Every president has claimed to be a Christian, yet only a few were actually born again Christians. An interesting study is to delve into how each presidents words and deeds agree with or go against Scripture. Likewise, it's interesting to study how each president upheld or went against the Constitution. Reality is much different than what most of us have been taught, and vastly different than the void of such today. If I had the time and resources I would write a book on this.

[HappyChristian]

And yet, when a candidate has a clear testimony of how he got saved, all of the good Christians say there ain't no way he's saved cuz he doesn't act like I think he should...