Comment on the Larkin Thread

[Genevanpreacher]

Yes, we are aware. But to teach a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 is adding to the word of God.

There is the rub.

[Critical Mass]

Yes, we are aware. But to teach a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2 is adding to the word of God.

There is the rub.

Doesn't seem to matter one way or the other.

[John81]

Doesn't seem to matter one way or the other.

Truth matters.

[Genevanpreacher]

Doesn't seem to matter one way or the other.

Then there is no reason to exist. And you are at a loss as to 'why' even be on this forum.

The answers to all existence balances upon the accuracy of the 'beginning'.

[Invicta]

Remember, the Gap Theory and Day-Age Theory are not the same thing. Gap Theory teaches seven literal days of creation while the later doesn't. A lot of folks get the two mixed up.

The gap theory teaches a pre Adam race when dinosaurs, another teaching is Satan ruled that world and rebelled.  They say.

 

Edited October 24, 2015 by Invicta

[Invicta]

The Larkin thread is closed and I would like this one to be closed also.

[Alan]

On ‎2015‎年‎10‎月‎23‎日‎ ‎上午‎, Genevanpreacher said:

Comment on Larkin thread,

  I see, once again, (when common sense shows error in a man of God, lifted up to be a prophecy god, and one not to be questioned), very little evidence that Larkin can be right at all in his view of Revelation and any sort of prophecy from the scriptures, including Daniel and the 70 weeks mumbo jumbo gap.

Thanks Alan,

Genevanpreacher, one who believes the scriptures and what THEY say.

Nobody, especially me, is calling Larkin, "a prophecy god." Using phrases such as that is uncivil, scoffing at those who read Larkin, and in my opinion uncalled for in a Christian forum. Clarence Larkin was a man of God. God used Larkin, and others, to bring glory and honor to the scriptures and the prophecy contained therein. Just because you do not believe in the interpretations that Larkin clearly brings forth is no excuse to belittle his character and scoff at those brethren who study his works.

The reason why God did not reveal the events to Daniel and we have a period of time between the 69th and 70 week in Daniel is that God did not reveal the  events of the, "Church Age." to the prophets. Therefore, all of the events after the formation of the church, and before the 7 Year Tribulation Period, were not revealed unto Daniel. The church, the body of Christ, was a mystery. the Church age, or "dispensation"  was a mystery to Daniel. 

"Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. " Colossians 1:24-27 Please make careful note. The mystery of the church, the body of Christ, is called a "dispensation." We are now in the dispensation of the "Church Age." Larkin made this distinction manifest and is not being ridiculed for his correct doctrinal teaching and scoffed at.

The Apostle Peter also explains that this mystery was hid to the prophets, like Daniel, and that is the reason why there is a "gap" in Daniel. The church, the body of Christ, was not revealed to Daniel. I would suggest you study very carefully 1 Peter 1:3-12 and Colossians 1:24-27

1 Peter 1:10 plainly state a doctrinal fact, "Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you." 1 Peter 1:10 If you read the book of Daniel very carefully you will notice that even Daniel did not fully realize the very long time element involved in his prophecy: Daniel 12:8 & 9

Again, the events of the church age was not revealed to Daniel and that is the reason why there is a time space between the 69th and 70 week in Daniel 9:24-27 and that men like Larkin who correctly bring this doctrine to light is scoffed at and ridiculed.

Alan

Edited October 29, 2015 by Alan
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[Genevanpreacher]

9 minutes ago, Alan said:

Nobody, especially me, is calling Larkin, "a prophecy god." Using phrases such as that is uncivil,  scoffing at those who read Larkin,and in my opinion uncalled for in a Christian forum. Clarence Larkin was a man of God. God usded Larkin, and others, to bring glory and honor to the scriptures and the prophecy contained therein. Just because you do not believe in the interpretations that Larkin clearly brings forth is no excuse to belittle his character and scoff at  those brethren who study his works.

The reason why God did not reveal the events to Daniel and we have a period of time between the 69th and 70 week in Daniel is that God did not reveal the  events of the, "Church Age." to the prophets. Therefore, all of the events after the formation of the church and before the 7 Year Tribulation Period were not revealed unto Daniel. The church, the body of Christ, was a mystery. the Church age, or "dispensation"  was a mystery to Daniel. 

"Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister, accordig to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. " Colossians 1:24-27 Please make careful note. The mystery of the church, the body of Christ, is called a "dispensation." We are now in the dispensation of the "Church Age." Larkin made this distinction manifest and is not being ridiculed for his correct doctrinal teaching and scoffed at.

The Apostle Peter also explains that this mystery was hid to the prophets, like Daniel, and that is the reason why there is a "gap" in Daniel. The church, the body of Christ, was not revealed to Daniel. I would suggest you study very carefully 1 Peter 1:3-12 and Colossians 1:24-27

1 Peter 1:10 plainly state a doctrinal fact, "Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searced diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you." 1 Peter 1:10 If you read the book of Daniel very carefully you will notice that even Daniel did not fully realize the very long time element involved in his prophecy: Daniel 12:8 & 9

Again, the events of the church age was not revealed to Daniel and that is the reason why there is a time space between the 69th and 70 week in Daniel 9:24-27 and that men like Larkin who correctly bring this doctrine to light is scoffed at and ridiculed.

Alan

Thank you for you comment Alan.

Your opinion of Larkin makes me state he is a prophecy god. You lift him up above the words of God, and that makes him a god.

That is just my opinion of course and not meant as a fact, because I obviously am not perfect. 

Yet I am a fellow believer, and I have been taught from God's word what I believe. I have not followed any teacher, (that I know of) for my strange beliefs of following my own convictions according to the leading of God's Holy Spirit.

Now, about the word above that you reference - dispensation? Have you never heard of a dispenser? A dispenser is, obviously something or someone that dispenses something. Paul was used by God to show the mystery of the gospel that was hid before the gospel was revealed in Jesus Christ. Hence, Paul was a dispenser of the mystery which was dispensed from God to him. And Paul was to dispense it to, eventually, us.

A dispensation is the act that God has made for us to receive the mystery.

Look - (please be patient and see my view here) - I am trying to 'rightly divide' from my perspective and experience -

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Paul was made a minister to be the dispenser.

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

God dispensed it to Paul.

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Paul received what was dispensed.

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Paul dispensed it to those who would receive it.

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

In fulfillment of God's word.

 

In my opinion, dispensation is not a 'time' or a 'time frame', but an 'act'.

The suffix 'ation', according to Websters, means "the action or process of doing something".

Thus the word dispensation means the act of dispensing. Of which fits my particular view.

[Alan]

1 minute ago, Genevanpreacher said:

Thank you for you comment Alan.

Your opinion of Larkin makes me state he is a prophecy god. You lift him up above the words of God, and that makes him a god. I, nor anybody else, lifts Larkin above the scriptures, nor make him in any sense of the word make him a god. Your scoffing, ridiculing, and slander is uncivil, rude, and uncalled for.

That is just my opinion of course and not meant as a fact, because I obviously am not perfect. 

Yet I am a fellow believer, and I have been taught from God's word what I believe. I have not followed any teacher, (that I know of) for my strange beliefs of following my own the word above that you reference - dispensation? Have you never heard of a dispenser? A dispenser is, obviously something or someone that dispenses something. Paul was used by God to show the mystery of the gospel that was hid before the gospel was revealed in Jesus Christ. Hence, Paul was a dispenser of the mystery which was dispensed from God to him. And Paul was to dispense it to, eventually, us.

A dispensation is the act that God has made for us to receive the mystery.

Look - (please be patient and see my view here) - I am trying to 'rightly divide' from my perspective and experience -

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Paul was made a minister to be the dispenser.

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

God dispensed it to Paul.

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Paul received what was dispensed.

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Paul dispensed it to those who would receive it.

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

In fulfillment of God's word.

 

In my opinion, dispensation is not a 'time' or a 'time frame', but an 'act'. The word is "dispensation" not dispensing. The 1828 Websters dictionary says, "DISPENSATION, n. The dealing of God to his creatures; the distribution of good and evil, natural or moral, in the divine government."

The suffix 'ation', according to Websters, means "the action or process of doing something".

Thus the word dispensation means the act of dispensing. Of which fits my particular view.

God, not larkin, nor Scofield, has different 'dispenstsions' in dealing with the human race. My above post still stands as correct. Just because a person does not belive in the different dispenasations as clearly brought out in the scriptures does not negate them.

[Genevanpreacher]

8 minutes ago, Alan said:

God, not larkin, nor Scofield, has different 'dispenstsions' in dealing with the human race. My above post still stands as correct. Just because a person does not belive in the different dispenasations as clearly brought out in the scriptures does not negate them.

Do you have a verse or verses in the NT that state such?

Edited October 29, 2015 by Genevanpreacher

[Alan]

I just quoted Colossians 1 and 1 Peter 1 which clearly explain why Daniel did not speak about the church and then I gave you an accurate defintion of the word dispensation. Just because you refuse to accept different dispenstions, or the way God deals with men, does not change one thing. God reveals His dealings with men in the different dispensations as He sees fit. How he states His workings with men is recorded plainly for those who who believe the scriptures as they are written. Nothing man can say can negate anything that God says or writes. Isn't what the scripures said, and the way it was written, good enough for you?

 

[Genevanpreacher]

2 hours ago, Alan said:

I just quoted Colossians 1 and 1 Peter 1 which clearly explain why Daniel did not speak about the church and then I gave you an accurate defintion of the word dispensation. Just because you refuse to accept different dispenstions, or the way God deals with men, does not change one thing. God reveals His dealings with men in the different dispensations as He sees fit. How he states His workings with men is recorded plainly for those who who believe the scriptures as they are written. Nothing man can say can negate anything that God says or writes. Isn't what the scripures said, and the way it was written, good enough for you?

I guess not Alan. I am sorry you feel as if these verses say something of what you think Dispensationalism is. I don't see that 'bible teaching' here.

Do you have anything else?

[Alan]

3 hours ago, Alan said:

Nobody, especially me, is calling Larkin, "a prophecy god." Using phrases such as that is uncivil, scoffing at those who read Larkin, and in my opinion uncalled for in a Christian forum. Clarence Larkin was a man of God. God used Larkin, and others, to bring glory and honor to the scriptures and the prophecy contained therein. Just because you do not believe in the interpretations that Larkin clearly brings forth is no excuse to belittle his character and scoff at those brethren who study his works.

The reason why God did not reveal the events to Daniel and we have a period of time between the 69th and 70 week in Daniel is that God did not reveal the  events of the, "Church Age." to the prophets. Therefore, all of the events after the formation of the church, and before the 7 Year Tribulation Period, were not revealed unto Daniel. The church, the body of Christ, was a mystery. the Church age, or "dispensation"  was a mystery to Daniel. 

"Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. " Colossians 1:24-27 Please make careful note. The mystery of the church, the body of Christ, is called a "dispensation." We are now in the dispensation of the "Church Age." Larkin made this distinction manifest and is not being ridiculed for his correct doctrinal teaching and scoffed at.

The Apostle Peter also explains that this mystery was hid to the prophets, like Daniel, and that is the reason why there is a "gap" in Daniel. The church, the body of Christ, was not revealed to Daniel. I would suggest you study very carefully 1 Peter 1:3-12 and Colossians 1:24-27

1 Peter 1:10 plainly state a doctrinal fact, "Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you." 1 Peter 1:10 If you read the book of Daniel very carefully you will notice that even Daniel did not fully realize the very long time element involved in his prophecy: Daniel 12:8 & 9

Again, the events of the church age was not revealed to Daniel and that is the reason why there is a time space between the 69th and 70 week in Daniel 9:24-27 and that men like Larkin who correctly bring this doctrine to light is scoffed at and ridiculed.

Alan

Brethren

All of the above teaching on why Daniel did not understand the church age, dispensation or age, was due to the fact that God kept it a mystery from him. Clarence Larkin was correct in his commentary on Revelation. Even though good brethren may not agree it is of no vaule to the discussion to scoff at larkin and scoff at those who try to study the scriptures by a man of God.

Alan

[Genevanpreacher]

2 hours ago, Alan said:

which clearly explain why Daniel did not speak about the church and then I gave you an accurate defintion of the word dispensation. 

No you did not. Dispensation does not mean a 'time', and you showed nothing from scripture that defines it that way.

Seriously Alan, honestly answer this question - where is dispensation defined in scripture as a 'time'?

Since you disagree with Websters, and the meaning of dispensation as I stated, where is your proof, as a minister of the word, from the word.

I rightly divided - correct my rightly dividing by using the same verses I used above.

Rightly divide for me.

(By the way, your 1828 Websters makes no difference, as it was a common phrase to teach Dispensationalism in that terminology.)

Edited October 30, 2015 by Genevanpreacher

[Genevanpreacher]

11 minutes ago, Alan said:

Brethren

All of the above teaching on why Daniel did not understand the church age, dispensation or age, was due to the fact that God kept it a mystery from him. Clarence Larkin was correct in his commentary on Revelation. Even though good brethren may not agree it is of no vaule to the discussion to scoff at larkin and scoff at those who try to study the scriptures by a man of God.

Alan

Well, brethren, the truth prevails, and men will still follow men who love to fantasize about the 'what ifs' to make things more grand than they really are.

I do not.

[Alan does this a lot. So I thought I would try it. He doesn't get in trouble, so I shouldn't?]

Edited October 30, 2015 by Genevanpreacher