Did You Ever Preach On The Subject Tattoos

[Heir of Salvation]

You're way out of context on trying to make a hypocrite out of me HoS.  Besides, I already am; a depraved sinner, who needs Jesus the Christ.

Who said you were a hypocrite?  I don't think you are.  If I did think so, and I don't, I wouldn't converse with you.  I think your Theology is inconsistent, but, no one is calling you a hypocrite.

[John81]

And he would be correct.....By the way, I imagine you should burn all of those wool/polyester blend shirts you have in your closet. 

Lev 19: 19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

 

Deut 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, [as] of woollen and linen together.

If you are to insist on keeping ordinances of the Old Law...keep all of them.  But, don't pick and choose which ones you like and discard the rest.

Actually, if you noticed any threads on the topic you will have noted that I point to NT giving, not to the OT tithe for Jews.

 

As well, if you noticed my posts in this thread you will see I've either posted or "liked" the posts of those who put forth the NT reasons why Christians should not get tattoos.

[John81]

You're way out of context on trying to make a hypocrite out of me HoS.  Besides, I already am; a depraved sinner, who needs Jesus the Christ.

A hypocrite is one who says one thing but does another. Example: You tell everyone that eating ice cream is evil and you condemn those you see eating ice cream, but at home you rush to your hidden supply of ice cream and eat a bowlful in a room with the shades pulled.

 

You have not put forth anything here which is of a hypocritical nature and I've not noticed anyone accusing you of such.

 

If you are born again in Christ you are no longer a depraved sinner, you are a child of the Living God. You are an ambassador of Christ; a servant of the Lord; a join heir with the Son of God.

[Heir of Salvation]

Actually, if you noticed any threads on the topic you will have noted that I point to NT giving, not to the OT tithe for Jews.

 

As well, if you noticed my posts in this thread you will see I've either posted or "liked" the posts of those who put forth the NT reasons why Christians should not get tattoos.

Then, I suppose I'll have to pay attention to your posts more closely then.

[wretched]

Which is what another man said with regards to the tithe...

 

Which you, me and everyone should agree with if we have any understanding. Apart from historical study of OT Israel, that word should have no application to us. Giving all applies to us. 10% is for the Pharisees (including the NT ones  ).

 

This forum never ceases to amaze me with even the most solid seeming members can come out of nowhere with fables and mixing of the law into certain things.

 

I recommend we all stop worrying about the outward appearance and do our best daily to remove the tattoos covering our hearts. That is what the Lord cares about.

[John81]

Which you, me and everyone should agree with if we have any understanding. Apart from historical study of OT Israel, that word should have no application to us. Giving all applies to us. 10% is for the Pharisees (including the NT ones  ).

 

This forum never ceases to amaze me with even the most solid seeming members can come out of nowhere with fables and mixing of the law into certain things.

 

I recommend we all stop worrying about the outward appearance and do our best daily to remove the tattoos covering our hearts. That is what the Lord cares about.

As Jesus taught, washing the outside while the inside is yet unclean leaves one filthy before the Lord. Jesus also told us He fulfilled the law and the only laws from the OT that carried over were the ones He reiterated, even while making it clear that one with an outward appearance to be keeping the law (such as thou shalt not murder) is yet violating that law if one holds hate in their heart for someone.

 

We are called to surrender our all to Christ, and that starts and works from the inside out.

[Heir of Salvation]

Which you, me and everyone should agree with if we have any understanding. Apart from historical study of OT Israel, that word should have no application to us. Giving all applies to us. 10% is for the Pharisees (including the NT ones  ).

 

This forum never ceases to amaze me with even the most solid seeming members can come out of nowhere with fables and mixing of the law into certain things.

 

I recommend we all stop worrying about the outward appearance and do our best daily to remove the tattoos covering our hearts. That is what the Lord cares about.

I agree with the sentiment....But, although I feel there is often confusion about these types of issues, the HEARTS and the INTENT of those with whom you disagree here (and I disagree along what I think to be the same lines) are in the right place.

 

I disagree with Swath-diver and others who are quick to condemn tattooing and support tithing....but, they are truly seeking God's will about these issues.  Their hearts are malleable and absolutely in the right place.  They truly BELIEVE that they are "Sola-Scriptura" and they insist on it.  It would be the job of others to explain to them, indeed teach them, that (although they don't intend to) they are occasionally substituting traditions of men for Scripture. 

 

Godly men of the past have taught tithing, but they were simply wrong.  These same Godly men who taught tithing also believed it was warranted from Scripture.  Godly men and women are against tattooing in all forms, and they also believe they have Scriptural warrant for that position.

 

In a way....I'm no longer as "amazed" as you said above....I used to be.  These are a wonderful group who are quick to be wary of what they consider to be "new doctrines" or "liberalism"...........especially if that same doctrine grants MORE liberty and LESS law.  The knee-jerk tendency is going to be one of suspicion.  As soon as one suggests that tattoos are not Universally decried in Scripture, the word "liberal" is applied.  As soon as one explains that the 10% tithe is not Scriptural for the N.T. Christian...the word "liberal" implants into the mind almost immediately.  This is a group which FEARS "Liberalism" or "New Doctrines"....granted....those doctrines are no more new nor "liberal" than the man in the moon, but most people don't see much past the last 50 years or so.  They actually think that Billy Sunday is properly described as belonging to "yester-year" and is part of the "Old-Time Religion".....

 

For crying out loud...most of the "Old hymns" in their hymnals are less than 100 years old, and fully half of the authors are still alive.  Yet, often they simply don't realize that only 150 years ago.....few conservative Protestants and Baptists actually taught "tithing" as well.  They simply don't know that....

But, don't be surprised, and don't berate them for it.  (It's hard sometimes, and frustrating)....but, they just need to be shown BETTER  ...that's all.

[wretched]

I agree with the sentiment....But, although I feel there is often confusion about these types of issues, the HEARTS and the INTENT of those with whom you disagree here (and I disagree along what I think to be the same lines) are in the right place.

 

I disagree with Swath-diver and others who are quick to condemn tattooing and support tithing....but, they are truly seeking God's will about these issues.  Their hearts are malleable and absolutely in the right place.  They truly BELIEVE that they are "Sola-Scriptura" and they insist on it.  It would be the job of others to explain to them, indeed teach them, that (although they don't intend to) they are occasionally substituting traditions of men for Scripture. 

 

Godly men of the past have taught tithing, but they were simply wrong.  These same Godly men who taught tithing also believed it was warranted from Scripture.  Godly men and women are against tattooing in all forms, and they also believe they have Scriptural warrant for that position.

 

In a way....I'm no longer as "amazed" as you said above....I used to be.  These are a wonderful group who are quick to be wary of what they consider to be "new doctrines" or "liberalism"...........especially if that same doctrine grants MORE liberty and LESS law.  The knee-jerk tendency is going to be one of suspicion.  As soon as one suggests that tattoos are not Universally decried in Scripture, the word "liberal" is applied.  As soon as one explains that the 10% tithe is not Scriptural for the N.T. Christian...the word "liberal" implants into the mind almost immediately.  This is a group which FEARS "Liberalism" or "New Doctrines"....granted....those doctrines are no more new nor "liberal" than the man in the moon, but most people don't see much past the last 50 years or so.  They actually think that Billy Sunday is properly described as belonging to "yester-year" and is part of the "Old-Time Religion".....

 

For crying out loud...most of the "Old hymns" in their hymnals are less than 100 years old, and fully half of the authors are still alive.  Yet, often they simply don't realize that only 150 years ago.....few conservative Protestants and Baptists actually taught "tithing" as well.  They simply don't know that....

But, don't be surprised, and don't berate them for it.  (It's hard sometimes, and frustrating)....but, they just need to be shown BETTER  ...that's all.

Good points and I definitely need allot of teaching myself. I ain't called wretched for nothing!

[John81]

I agree with the sentiment....But, although I feel there is often confusion about these types of issues, the HEARTS and the INTENT of those with whom you disagree here (and I disagree along what I think to be the same lines) are in the right place.

 

I disagree with Swath-diver and others who are quick to condemn tattooing and support tithing....but, they are truly seeking God's will about these issues.  Their hearts are malleable and absolutely in the right place.  They truly BELIEVE that they are "Sola-Scriptura" and they insist on it.  It would be the job of others to explain to them, indeed teach them, that (although they don't intend to) they are occasionally substituting traditions of men for Scripture. 

 

Godly men of the past have taught tithing, but they were simply wrong.  These same Godly men who taught tithing also believed it was warranted from Scripture.  Godly men and women are against tattooing in all forms, and they also believe they have Scriptural warrant for that position.

 

In a way....I'm no longer as "amazed" as you said above....I used to be.  These are a wonderful group who are quick to be wary of what they consider to be "new doctrines" or "liberalism"...........especially if that same doctrine grants MORE liberty and LESS law.  The knee-jerk tendency is going to be one of suspicion.  As soon as one suggests that tattoos are not Universally decried in Scripture, the word "liberal" is applied.  As soon as one explains that the 10% tithe is not Scriptural for the N.T. Christian...the word "liberal" implants into the mind almost immediately.  This is a group which FEARS "Liberalism" or "New Doctrines"....granted....those doctrines are no more new nor "liberal" than the man in the moon, but most people don't see much past the last 50 years or so.  They actually think that Billy Sunday is properly described as belonging to "yester-year" and is part of the "Old-Time Religion".....

 

For crying out loud...most of the "Old hymns" in their hymnals are less than 100 years old, and fully half of the authors are still alive.  Yet, often they simply don't realize that only 150 years ago.....few conservative Protestants and Baptists actually taught "tithing" as well.  They simply don't know that....

But, don't be surprised, and don't berate them for it.  (It's hard sometimes, and frustrating)....but, they just need to be shown BETTER  ...that's all.

Amen! There is always more the Lord can teach us. We all grow, learn and mature at different rates, speeds and times. Likely as not, none of us here hold to the exact same views on all points today that we held 10 years ago. We have to find that balance of keeping our hearts open to learning, growing and adapting ourselves walk ever closer with the Lord, while at the same time keeping that guard over our hearts. As you say, our first response is often one of becoming defensive and feeling a need to "strike back" at what we typically see as an attack when confronted with a different view or teaching on a matter.

 

May we all truly seek that closer walk with Jesus, and may we help one another along that path.

[Heir of Salvation]

.... We have to find that balance of keeping our hearts open to learning, growing and adapting ourselves walk ever closer with the Lord, while at the same time keeping that guard over our hearts. As you say, our first response is often one of becoming defensive and feeling a need to "strike back" at what we typically see as an attack when confronted with a different view or teaching on a matter....

 

Wiser words are rarely said....Dead on John!...  I emphasized the part which is hard to do. 

[Heir of Salvation]

If you are born again in Christ you are no longer a depraved sinner, you are a child of the Living God.

 

Wanted to add onto this edifying  insight John....God's children are NOT "sinners".  Occasionally, they struggle with the flesh, they slip up, and we sin.  But a "sinner" is NOT who and what they "ARE".  They are Saints, free from the shackles of sin.  We need to glorify God in that salvation from sin, not bemoan our now previous identity which Christ has wiped away. 

 

Saints ARE NOT "sinners"....they are co-heirs with Christ of the resurrection of life and salvation.

[Miss Daisy]

Has this whole site been infected by some virus of off the wall beliefs or what?

Wife spankings and this? What's next?

[DaveW]

1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

present tense.....

the difference is forgiven sinner, no longer forced servants of sin.