Repentance - Biblical Viewpoint

[Standing Firm In Christ]

I thought you and 2Tim said you were leaving? Was that just a lie? You keep popping back in to spread the heresy you embrace.

[KJV1611]

What you are teaching is a 1,2,3 easy believism gospel. You say man does not have to turn from his sins, that it is not God's will for man to turn from his sins.

Yet the Word of God over and over refutes your foolish teaching. Yes, I said it is foolish. It is foolish because it is contrary to the Word of God. Jesus came to save man from his sin, yet you teach man can be saved without turning from sin. You teach that it is not God's will for man to turn from sin.

Everyone that hears your message and believes that junk will one day find they were not saved at all. They were deceived into believing a false gospel.

God said over and over "Turn from sin", yet it is not God's will for man to turn from sin? You are not working for Christ, you are working against Him, scattering abroad.

John 6:40
John 6:40
John 6:40

John 6:40
John 6:40
John 6:40

It is GODS will that we BELIEVE.

It is only AFTER believing that you are even capable of "turning" from sins to lead a victorious Christian life. You cannot "clean up" before coming to Christ. Christ is the one who cleans you, not yourself. You are putting it before which teaches works plus faith. Edited November 14, 2011 by KJV1611

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Psalm 66:18
Psalm 66:18
Psalm 66:18

Psalm 66:18
Psalm 66:18
Psalm 66:18

If one is not willing to turn from sin, that one cannot be saved. God won't hear that one's prayer.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

I don't care if you made a profession of faith in Christ 30 years ago. If you did not turn from sin and turn to Christ, your profession didn't amount to anything. According to Psalm 66:18, if you still held on to your sin, God didn't even hear that profession; which means that you are just as lost today as you were when you made that profession.

Edited November 14, 2011 by Standing Firm In Christ

[KJV1611]

You are not saved by praying a prayer. You are saved by doing the will of the Father, which according to John 6:40 is TO BELIEVE.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

If a man will not turn from sin, he will die lost and go to hell.

[KJV1611]

If a man will not turn from sin, he will die lost and go to hell.

Your favorite verse!

2 Opinions 1:1 "If a man will not turn from sin, he will die lost and go to hell."

I prefer John 6:40 though.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Hate to break the news to you, but there is no such book in the Word of God as 2 Opinions.

And the Word of God teaches that if we regard iniquity in our heart, the Lord will not hear us.

If we regard iniquity in our hearts, if we hold on to sin, we will die in our sin and be lost foever.

No man can serve two masters... no matter how much you want to.

[heartstrings]

Contrary to what the newbies (am I allowed to call them such since they are new to the board?) claim, repentance from sin is a prerequisite to Salvation. The Word of God teaches us that if we regard iniquity (sin) in our hearts the Lord will not hear us.

Now, how is repentance from sin not a prerequisite for Salvation? Scripture tells us that the Lord accepts a broken spirit and a broken and contrite heart.

If one is not broken, not sorry for his or her sin, that one will not be accepted of the Lord. The broken spirit and contrite heart reveal that repentance has begun its work on the person. That person is sorry he is a sinner and has sinned against a holy God. The turning away from sin and the turning to God (repentance) is begun.

The Philippian jailer showed a sign of a repentant heart. "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" The reason that Paul did not say, "First you must repent, then you must believe" is because the repentance was already visibly evident by the jailers actions and in his words.

Repentence is not "prerequisite" to salvation. There is no "step one. step two...." The only "precursor" mentioned is
godly sorrow" and even that is something we have no part in doing. Godly sorrow LEADS us to repentence. As for repentence, it's meaning appears to be more specific than "feeling sorry".or even merely "turning" Consider this usage.

^{1 Samuel 15:11}It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.

Notice God never says here that He himself repented for making Saul king. Here is another....

Genesis 6: ⁷And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Here again, God never says that he regretted or "repented" of making man: Instead, it says "IT REPENTETH ME". What is He saying? He's basically saying that his creation had turned against Him. It's the same meaning in 1 Samuel 15: His making Saul king had turned against Him too. Try "plugging in" the term "turn against: in every place the KJB mentions repent and I think you will find that is it's basic meaning in virtually every case. God's creation turned against Him in Genesis 6, God Himself turned against the evil He intended for the city of Nineveh, and when a person gets saved, he sees himself as a lowdown sinner and turns against himself TO Jesus. It's all part of beleiving. When you truly "believe" on Jesus, you turn against self and turn to God. You do an "about face" if you will. There is no "step one step two". It's all part of genuine belief. Multiple things may LEAD to salvation, such as the goodness of God, the "handfulls of purpose" of His blessings, the hearing of the Gospel preached, experiencing the fear of Hell and the "godly sorrow" but the actual "act" of being saved takes place in the blink of an eye. You turn against sin and self and turn to Jesus. If you refuse to turn against self, you never really believed at all. because in order to be "saved" or "rescued" there must be the realization of something to be saved FROM. Edited November 14, 2011 by heartstrings

[KJV1611]

Hate to break the news to you, but there is no such book in the Word of God as 2 Opinions.

And the Word of God teaches that if we regard iniquity in our heart, the Lord will not hear us.

If we regard iniquity in our hearts, if we hold on to sin, we will die in our sin and be lost foever.

No man can serve two masters... no matter how much you want to.

Psalm 66 does not say... "if we hold on to sin, we will die in our sin and be lost forever". That is yet another verse out of your favorite book of 2 Opinions!

Serving Jesus, or following Jesus, are choices of the Christian AFTER salvation. A disciple is a follower of Jesus. Not all saved people are disciples. They are still saved, but if they do not follow they are not called disciples.

It is good if you DO follow Jesus AFTER salvation, and the scripture teaches that plainly, but it is not a requirement of salvation. To teach it would be yet again to teach faith plus works for salvation. It is ALL faith.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Repentance is a prerequesite to Salvation. The godly sorrow is the sign of a working repentance. What is the godly sorrow? A sorrow for sin, for being rebellious before God,

If there is no godly sorrow, there is no repentance. If there is no repentance, there is no Salvation.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Sorry, KJV. You are wrong. Paul said that godly sorrow worketh repentance UNTO Salvaiton.

Repentance is a turning from sin and to God, and it is a prerequisite to Salvation.

[heartstrings]

Repentance is not a prerequisite to salvation.
It is inseparable from salvation.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

From what I see, godly sorrow is a prerequisite to repentance, and repentance is a prerequisite to salvation. Repentance to Salvation the verse says, not repentance with Salvation, nor repentance because of Salvation.

Jesus told the Pharisees, Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. (Luke 13:3,5)

If one does not repent, that one will perish in his or her sins. Godly sorrow worketh repentance to Salvation. The 'to' does not mean repentance is added because of Salvation, for Jesus basically said no repentance, no salvation. Repentance is prior to Salvation. It is a prerequisite to Salvation.

Edited November 14, 2011 by Standing Firm In Christ

[LindaR]

Psalm 66 does not say... "if we hold on to sin, we will die in our sin and be lost forever". That is yet another verse out of your favorite book of 2 Opinions!

First and foremost, you are bearing false witness against SFIC. I know for a fact that the Holy Bible is the only Book he reads every day. Never heard of the book of 2 Opinions. Is that your feeble attempt to attack the messenger because you don't agree with the message?

Serving Jesus, or following Jesus, are choices of the Christian AFTER salvation. A disciple is a follower of Jesus. Not all saved people are disciples. They are still saved, but if they do not follow they are not called disciples.

It is good if you DO follow Jesus AFTER salvation, and the scripture teaches that plainly, but it is not a requirement of salvation. To teach it would be yet again to teach faith plus works for salvation. It is ALL faith.

A "disciple" is not a "follower", but a "disciple" is "one who receives instruction from another; an adherent to the doctrines of another" (Webster). A saved person is always a disciple, but not all disciples are saved.

John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

After salvation, following and serving Jesus IS a requirement:

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. Edited November 14, 2011 by LindaR