BrotherTony

It seemed important enough for you to state that you were "staying out of it." If that were the case you would never have entered the conversation. I looked back over the thread and didn't see any name-calling. I did see an assessment of your position and statements by both myself and @Napsterdad. You have stated a couple of times now that you're just going to focus on "the Kingdom" in some form or another. You live in this world, so there has to be some type of focus on the world you live in. To state that you're focusing only on Christ's Kingdom sounds like virtue signaling on your part. I never buy those kinds of statements as the people I've seen making them over the years have proven to be wholly untrue. To make an honest assessment of a person's statement or statements isn't bickering.

What a poor, lame excuse. Your talking points sound a lot like the Democrats. Being responsible and voting is far from American nationalism, and deciding NOT TO VOTE is actually voting whether you like to see it that way or not. You're still a part of it. Your excuse makes you sound like someone who is so heavenly minded that you're no earthly good. Sad...very sad.

So I take it that you're waiting for that perfect, 100 percent religious person to run for POTUS. I can guarantee you now that you'll be waiting until the return of Christ before anything remotely close will happen. I won't question your conversations, if that IS what they are.

They would be here in Middle Tennessee as well. There are several churches in local schools here.

Like PastorMatt, I'm currently involved with something. I'm also on my phone which makes it hard to reply in any detail. I'll try to get on my computer later today and reply.

We had pork roast and veggies. Enough for tomorrow night too. Chocolate ice cream for dessert.

ILLUMINATE??? Doesn't TGL mean ELIMINATE? SMH...

Praying. Be safe.

Recently I started hearing a phrase that I hadn't heard in a while. A young man was coming out of a store into the heat that is common here in Tennessee. It was 94 degrees with a feel like temperature of 106. That phrase came out of his mouth as he stood there smoking a cigarette. I was right there at the door and replied with *Yes, it IS hot. But, young man, why would you think that it's hotter than hell?* He looked stunned and sort of dismayed that I would ask such a question. I then asked him if he believed in hell, and if he did, how hot did he believe it was. He stated that he really didn't know how hot hell was and it really probably wasn't as as hot as he thought it was here in Tennessee that hell was probably a lot hotter. He said that he was catholic, and that he believed in hell but he didn't know whether it was a literal place or just separation from God. I went to the story about the rich man and Lazarus and how the rich man woke up in hell and was in torment while Lazarus was in the bosom of Abraham in Paradise. He then replied that he knew that story well and asked me if I thought that it was a literal story. I stated that I did because Jesus had given the element fire in the story and that was a good indication that it was a true story. I then proceeded to present the Gospel of Jesus Christ to him, and he nearly got saved. But he needed a few days to think about what I have said and would get back to me in a few days. I left him with my number and told him he could call anytime especially if he was concerned about the destination of his soul. He told me that he knew he was a sinner but he didn't know what to do about it. I finished up with the gospel story and gave him a tract. So it's always a good thing to listen to what people are saying and follow the prompting of the Holy Spirit in presenting the gospel at every opportunity. Why? Because hell is real and Hell is hot and there are people going to hell everyday.

Again, this is YOUR experience. The Cowboy Church here, which we visit from time to time, has baptisms fairly regularly. The church we are members of has baptisms several times a month. A church where a good friend of mine is pastor has them at least once a month. I don't see how this is getting to be*rare* at all. There are regular decisions for salvation at all of these churches.

Wow! Another downer, negative post from TGL., and wrong on both counts

I would still find it hard to vote for RFK. I mean, if the ONLY choices were Harris or him, I guess would have to.

Steven Anderson? No thanks.

Though a person may be baptized by a certain church doesn't already equate to membership. I've been a member of a church that had several people who were baptized but decided not to join the church they were baptized in. I've also witnessed a church baptize a person and then declined to accept that person for membership. There are varying reasons why this could happen which I will not go into here. But then there are churches I have been a member of that accepted a person into membership upon their baptism. It's up to each autonomous assembly to decide on the way they accept members. We should leave it to their discretion.

Then maybe you need to tone down your rhetoric when addressing an individual instead of a group. You directly quoted my post, so I will continue to take it as directed towards me in those posts, thus justifying my assessment.

Here you go again!!! Where in the world have I stated that it's**ALL** on the husband. Your dishonesty isn't appreciated. You also seem to be stuck on**lording it over** where I have nowhere stated a man should do so. It's clear that all you want to do is argue. I will not aquiess. Have a nice day, *brother.*

Welcome to OB! Hope you find this site a blessing and helpful in your Christian walk.

And the "head" is what? The leader....or has that escaped you? You're trying to play a game of semantics, and I'm not buying your reasoning or lack therof. . And where have I stated he should "lord over his wife."? You're throwing up straw man arguments. This is something I'm finding more and more from Christians to feign ignorance of principles and truths taught in the Bible. I have nowhere advocated lording over anyone. I've stated clearly that the man is to love his wife, as have you. So where's your problem in the comprehension here, @heartstrings? The Bible clearly states that Christ is the head of the man, and the man is the head of the wife. It doesn't negate the womans responsibility or accountability. and it doesn't apply more responsibility to the husband than God has placed upon the man. Every leader is held accountable for himself, and to a great degree for the actions of those under his authority. If you cannot understand that, I can't help you. If you're just trying to argue, then please, take it up with the Lord. There are enough argumentative "Christians" in my life right now. As a closing note, we ALL must appear before the judgement seat of Christ to answer for what we've done in regards to our stewardship. We all are accountable for our own actions.

Let's go a bit further into Ephesians 5.... verses 25-30. The exact wording of man being more responsible than woman is there, the principle is. This article explains it a lot more concisely than I can while on my phone. I have to say that if you are someone in ministry and are too obtuse to understand this from scripture it's no wonder many of our IFB churches and Christian families are in trouble. I don't believe you are that lacking in understanding. https://www.theraineys.org/post/what-does-the-bible-say-about-a-husband-s-role-and-responsibilities-in-marriage#:~:text=Paul says the same to,but it makes no difference

The wife is still accountable for her own actions. You can't be obtuse enough to not understand that. There is individual accountability, husband, wife, children, etc , as well as corporate accountability (chain of authority). When God created man in the Garden of Eden and then created Eve as his help meet, that established a chain of authority. Man is told to love his wife as the weaker vessel. He's also told to bring up his children in the nurture and administration of the Lord, to discipline them, and not to cause them harm and cause to turn from the Lord. Man's told to cherish his wife as himself because she's part of his body (corporate), and that man shouldn't hate his body. Being the shepherd of this family unit he IS more accountable, his wife and children are still responsible for THEIR own actions. If a wife doesn't submit to Godly leadership in the Lord, she's responsible for her rebellion. He's responsible for trying to bring her back into the fold.

I've checked several sites and haven't found that particular sermon by him.

Yes, Voddie is a Calvinist, but even the Calvinists get things right at times. He's also a Southern Baptist. It's so true that the wife & mother hold much sway over the success and life of the family. The husband does indeed bear majority of the responsibility for how the family goes. That was why it was so important for the globalists to destroy the nuclear family. All evidence points to the families without a strong father/husband dynamic producing juvenile delinquents and women who have to rise to the challenges the family faces.

Thank you for the clarification.

So @John Young, are you pushing soul sleep here? We'd appreciate it if you would be clear on your stance. Thanks.

We will certainly be in prayer for Jerry and the other brothers and their families as well as for your hubby and yourself.