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  1. 9 points
    This morning a couple JW ladies stopped by our house while my wife was at home. Of course, they immediately wanted to talk about end times (their "go-to" topic). My wife asked a question of them, "How would you describe your relationship with God?" The speaker was flummoxed, and the 2nd lady had a stricken look on her face. My wife just waited in silence. After a long, uncomfortable silence, the speaker turned to the 2nd lady and looked at her for help. The 2nd lady said, "Um, I guess I would say, 'Necessary'?" The first lady looked back at my wife and simply shrugged, but said nothing. My wife said, "You, know, I agree that it is necessary to have a relationship with God for the sake of your soul's eternity, but I think I would choose a different word... I think I would say, 'Intimate'." She then briefly gave her testimony, focusing on the personal relationship she enjoys with God through salvation in Jesus Christ. She then asked if she could show them from the Bible how they could have a close, personal relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ. At that point, the 2nd person said, "Well, it's obvious that we are not going to agree on a lot of things, so I think we won't take up any more of your time. But I do have one question, What church do you go to?" My wife told her the name of our church, to which the lady said, "I knew you were a Baptist! The only people who seem to know what they believe and who talk like you do about a relationship with God are Baptists. But, honestly, most of them aren't as kind as you."
  2. 8 points

    Prayer for moderator and wife.

    I am asking for prayer for one of our moderators and his wife. The moderator is Ukulelemike, his wife's name is Delia. Mike wrote to tell me that his wife woke in the night some time ago with severe stomach pain. He rushed her to the hospital and they found that she had a perforated colon resulting in a massive spill of bowel contents into her abdomen. At first they couldn't even find her blood pressure, once they did find it, it was only 50/20 her heart rate was 165. He said she almost died. She has been in intensive care for a full five weeks. She is healing now and it is looking a lot better for her. They have no insurance so this is going to be hard on them. I asked him if I could post this on the forum and he said yes, the more the better. So now we have something to pray for, for one of our own.
  3. 8 points


    I posted this before but in 2014, so I will post it again in response. I Posted June 24, 2014 I was out soul winning, door knocking in the area when someone who answered the door stated "I have heard of your church, you guys are the one's with all those rules." I looked at him genuinely confused and said "we don't have ANY rules." He said, "then why do you guys dress so different, and you don't drink, go dancing, go to movie theaters, or party like normal folks, and you go to church like several times a week?" I told him it's because of a love for God and what he has done for us. We find principles in His word that indicates what would be most pleasing to Him and out of love we do all we can to please Him. You don't have to do ANY of those things to attend our church, that would make them rules that must be followed. You don't need to follow any of those things to be saved either and on your way to heaven. I then got the chance to explain a non-works salvation to him. A person who needs rules, doesn't understand principles. Galatians 5:18 (KJV) 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. If you are truly led of the Spirit, the Spirit will NEVER lead you to do anything that is contrary to God's will and Word, there is no need for the law. Rules are neccesary for a heart away from God. Galatians 3:19a (KJV) 19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions 1 Corinthians 6:12 (KJV) 12 All things are lawful unto me [the Law], but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any [the Principle]. 1 Corinthians 10:23 (KJV) 23 All things are lawful for me [the Law], but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not [the Principle]. The law makes nothing perfect. Hebrews 7:19 (KJV) 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. The law was not made for righteous men. 1 Timothy 1:8-10 (KJV) 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disOBedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; Galatians 3:24 (KJV) 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. So many people, especially IFB's who have been raised since children in an IFB church, have no idea WHY we have the standards we do. Until they understand that a standard is simply a self-imposed boundary set to help us keep a conviction that was formed by understanding a principle from God's word. You first find a principle in God's word, and from that principle you form a conviction, and then a standard is set by yourself to help you keep that conviction. Because of this, some standards are entirely yours alone. For instance, I will not allow myself to own a boat. There is absolutely nothing wrong or sinful about boat ownership, but for me, outdoor recreation is a huge draw and I am weak enough to it ( "I will not be brought under the power of any"), that my ministry for God is hurt by it. Until people have standards put IN them by understanding the principles behind them, instead of ON them because "that's just the way we do things" they will never have them for their own and it is easy for them to backslide as soon as they are out of the house. Bro. Garry In His will. By His power. For His glory.
  4. 8 points
    No Nicolaitans

    The Altar

    Hi Thief on the Cross. I will give you my view on it; others' views may differ. First, I'm not sure how the area (that you're referring to) became known as "the altar". At one time, it was called things like "the mourner's bench". Charles Finney called it "the anxious bench". Those latter two names will give you the significance of it. Basically, the idea and purpose for it is that it gives a person (who may be under conviction) the opportunity to respond to that conviction at the earliest possible moment after hearing the word of God preached. The idea being, that if a person possibly waits, they may (or may not) make a decision in response to God's word. That's a good question. I personally believe that to call that area "the altar" isn't really in keeping with the biblical use of the term. The altar was the place (in the Old Testament) where animals were sacrificed and slain. There was also the altar of incense. Various people also built altars in the Old Testament prior to the institution of the law. I don't recall if any of those altars were used for anything other than sacrificing animals. They may have been; I just don't recall right now. In the New Testament (aside from the four gospels), the only altars that are mentioned which aren't for Israel's sacrificing of animals are... 1. An altar to false gods in Acts 17. 2. An altar mentioned in Hebrews 13 that belongs to "us". I think most people would say that this altar is the cross of Christ since that is where he was slain. 3. The altar of God in heaven in Revelation. Now aside from that, is there a biblical reason for doing this? I would say that's up to the individual church... My reasons in favor of it: 1. When the people heard the word of the Lord read in Nehemiah 8, they immediately acted upon it. 2. When the keeper of the prison asked Paul and Silas what he must do to be saved, he was told and immediately acted upon it. Now, it must be understood that in those two examples, there wasn't "an altar" (as we're referring to). They heard the word of God and immediately acted on it. So, people can still act on what they've heard from God's word without an "altar". My main reason for using those examples is that it (the altar call) gives people the opportunity to act immediately after hearing the word of God. However, the actual "acting on God's word" takes place in our daily lives. My reasons against it... There is nothing in the bible (that I know of) to describe what we know as today's altar call. At the same time, there is nothing in God's word describing a Sunday School, Church Choirs, Assistant Pastors, etc. There are many things done today that fall under what I would call "Christian Liberty". There may not be anything expressly supporting them in scripture; however, there isn't anything expressly forbidding them either. So churches are at liberty to use them. My concern (apart from the name itself) is that "the altar call" has become more than it was intended to be. Some use that time to pressure people. Some use it as a way of measuring a successful sermon. Some use it as a way to compare themselves with other churches. I want to stress "some"...not all! Now keep in mind, these are my thoughts on it. Others may disagree. In fact, if anyone knows that I'm mistaken in any part of this, I would hope they would point that out to me so that I can make it right.
  5. 8 points

    The beauty of creation

    I am posting this in The Beauty of Creation thread because it has to do with The Beauty of Creation, but it requires more than just a picture. It also needs to be explained in detail so that readers will understand all the factors involved. I hope readers will enjoy this as much as I have enjoyed experiencing it first hand. As I write this the date is May 1st. 2018. We have had to move our residence to a different place about eight miles from where we previously lived. It has been a long and arduous task for two old people, but we got it done. A new location always brings about unexpected changes and surprises, but with this move there was a surprise that I never could have anticipated. But before I reveal this surprise I need to flesh out this story so that the reader understands the unique situation we live under in California. When most people think of California they immediately think in terms of big cities and huge populations. I also thought this way before I became a resident. The truth is that there are many places in Far Northern California that are extremely rural and even off the beaten track. Many places are desert with no population, or mountainous and forested. Where we live is mountainous and heavily forested. It is just a place name with little population. In a fifteen mile stretch of highway the population is just 115. The nearest sizable city is 80 miles distance. Out nearest neighbor is more than three miles away. Hello So, having established how rural we are I will move on. Being surrounded by wilderness we see a lot of wildlife. When we moved in here the person that was moving out told us of a small California Kit Fox that visited regularly. He said this fox liked to stop by for a slice of bread. Since we moved in this little female fox has stopped by a number of times. But I found out something about this visitor that no one ever would have guessed. I'm Foxy After the first couple of visits where I would dole out a slice of bread in small bites, one evening I decided to sing some hymns. I often sing when alone and outside, or in the truck. As I sang I noticed a visible change in the demeanor of the little fox. She was standing about six feet from me and her eyes seemed to soften as she listened. I could tell she was enjoying the hymns because her ears would move back and forward in response to certain notes. Got Bread? Then began a ritual whereby she would stop by not only for a scrap of bread, but also to be sung to. She doesn’t leave right away when the bread is gone, but waits quietly for the singing. The first time this ritual began I was pleasantly surprised to see she was not just inquisitive about the pleasant sound of song, but she was thoroughly enjoying it. First, as she was listening she seemed to relax more and then sat down. As I continued to sing different hymns she then lay down with her head up, still a mere six feet away. Finally she not only lay down, but put her head down between her paws, flat on the ground. She ended up with her front feet tucked under her and her head on the ground in a very peaceful position and continued to listen. What a trusting attitude for one of God’s wild creatures. She shows no fear with the exception of my wife trying to get a picture of her through the window, that makes her wary, but not fearful. Having lived in Alaska for many years I am familiar with most kinds of wildlife. I do not make it a habit of actually feeding any wildlife because they can become habituated to it and lose their ability to forage for themselves. One scrap of bread once in a while is not likely to have this effect. I Like Bread As I said in the beginning of this story, “a new location always brings about unexpected changes and surprises.” But this is a surprise I never would have imagined. It would seem that this latest move has also brought about the surprise of a ready made congregation of one. So you might say that I now have a ministry of food for the homeless, as well as a ministry in song. She does seem to favor the slower, soothing hymns as opposed to anything up beat such as “When the roll is called up yonder;” or “The battle hymn of the republic.” This seems to be a small sample of what nature and man will experience during the Millennium. All of God’s creation has this to look forward to in the future. Awww, come on, just one more song
  6. 7 points

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    This argument is a "Straw Man" and meant to deflect answering a genuine opinion from someone else that views the subject differently. I've studied the qualifications and credits of the original translators and I will take their translation abilities over yours in a heartbeat. Oh, and I'll also take their ability in the form of the KJV. Please keep in mind, although I am certain you have; that this message forum is exclusively KJV and will remain so long after you have gone, as will my opinion. If you came here with the intention of changing it, or to cause trouble over our use of the KJV, you may as well give it up, you will not succeed.
  7. 7 points
    No Nicolaitans

    What would you do?

    Please forgive me for what I'm about to say... Folks here know my stance (I think). I see nothing wrong with women wearing pants...if they are modest. Same with dresses. Sometimes, I feel that I'm the only one who draws a parallel between modern-day IFB "rules and regulations" and the Pharisees who placed the emphasis on outward appearance. Whitewashed tombs? Clean the outside of the cup? Christ certainly wasn't in favor of those who "made proselytes". I've said it before. I'm saying it now...and I'll continue saying it... Allow the Holy Spirit to change a person as they grow in the knowledge and admonition of the Lord. When the change comes from him (and within), the change is real. When the change is forced by others...it's not real. It's done to please man. All of this emphasis on forcing a change on the outward appearance usurps what Christ is doing on the inside. Often more than not, it forces people to seek to please man...and often more than not, it leads to man-worship. I would much rather see a lady (who wears pants to church) yearning to know more of Christ...than to see a woman (who wears dresses only) that gives those who don't "measure up" looks of disgust and disdain, because they wear pants ...and the same for men. Preach standards...yes! However, don't force them on people. Allow the Holy Spirit to change them through the preaching of his word. Please?
  8. 7 points

    The beauty of creation

    This is a monolith called "Wave Rock" about 500km east of Perth in the middle of nowhere.
  9. 7 points

    The beauty of creation

    Late afternoon in the SW corner of Western Australia - that is the Indian Ocean.
  10. 7 points
    Jordan Kurecki

    a wife

    Update, yesterday I official began courting a most wonderful godly young lady that I met here at Baptist Bible Translators Institute/ the Lord is good.
  11. 6 points

    Hubs in the hospital...

    I would appreciate prayer for my husband, Randy. I will try to sum up what seems to me a long story...but this is going to be long. I'm sorry about that! Thursday morning while Randy was at a client's home, he went out to shovel. In these parts, black ice is a real and present danger during the winter. Well, he fell on black ice. His right leg went under him, and his left leg hyper-extended. He managed to get up (he was right by the van's bumper) but fell again right away. He rolled to the pavement, where there was no ice. Got up and began going back to the house, and fell in the snow. Three falls within a matter of minutes. Someone with Factor V Leiden's isn't supposed to be doing those shenanigans. So he came home. How he got into the van, drove, and got up the steps into the house is beyond me - other than God helped him greatly. Because he could hardly walk at all. He got into a chair and I got the heating pad, etc. He thought it was a badly pulled muscle. By now it was almost 11 am. I knew he was in agony, because he would never, ever leave work for just a little bit of pain. He has a very high pain tolerance (many times I will notice him favoring something and will ask how he's doing - he always answers that he's fine...). So about 12:30 he said he thought I might need to call the ambulance. He didn't think he would be able to get down the stairs, down the icy hill, into the van with only my help (to take him to the emergency room). I let our son know, and he said he was getting off work to come help. By 1, Randy was certain he needed an ambulance. So I called them. They got there pretty quickly, thankfully. They were great. They couldn't bring in the stretcher because our ramp was too slick, so they used a blanket to carry him outside. As they rolled him, he hollered out in pain. We have been married almost 33 years, and he has gone through a lot of physically painful things. But I have NEVER heard him holler like that. Never. That was about my undoing. Our son had gotten here by then, but was waiting on the road by our driveway (due to the snow, there was nowhere for him to park if he came up the driveway, and he would have been in the way of the ambulance). He came into the house and headed straight for me to wrap me in a tight hug. That was absolutely what I needed at that moment. I was never more thankful that God moved him up here. So Josh drove me to the hospital. We were in the emergency room for hours as they tested him. (it seemed like years...especially when we saw the date the nurse had written on the white board: Feb 14, 2014. LOL) They found a DVT that was already on its way down his leg - it stretched from his groin to his knee (two years ago it went from his groin to his foot). Doctors have concluded that it is a result of his accident - physical trauma to someone with Factor V can quickly cause clots...and I guess he has to do even that all the way, with major clots LOL). They tried to have him stand. He almost passed out, so the doc laid him back down quickly. And he just laid there with a blank stare for about a minute. Scared me so very badly. So they brought in some pain meds and muscle relaxers, thinking that it might be a pulled muscle. An hour later, they wanted to try and have him stand again (they wanted to send him home, but they couldn't until they knew he could walk). He couldn't even sit with his legs over the bed (he was holding his left leg up so it wouldn't touch the bed and was still in so much pain). So they decided to admit him. He got to his room about 11:30 pm (and we time traveled from 2-14-2014 to 2-15-2019 LOL). We left the hospital about 12:30 and got back to our road a little after 1. Well, as I said, our private road doesn't get plowed. And nobody that lives on the road believes in shoveling, I guess. (Randy would have done some once we were plowed out had he had a chance). So great big piles of slushy frozen snow met us. With one set of tracks. Josh headed up the hill, got about halfway and started spinning. So he backed up - the snow pulled him over one of the frozen piles and we got stuck. Josh got out to check and we were good and stuck. He started doing what he could. As I sat there, I was a bit overwhelmed. So I began to pray. While I was praying, I reminded the Lord about how quickly He helped Peter when Peter cried "Lord, save me!". I told the Lord we needed immediate help. I kid yo not...within minutes (could have been seconds) I saw car lights coming down the road. Now, understand this is 1:30 in the morning, in a super-rural area. Folks are just not out and about during that time. ESPECIALLY in this weather (which is so unusual for this area). The man pulled up immediately and got out of his car. He looked things over, and then said he had a shovel. Now, we have a snow shovel that Josh could have walked up to the house and gotten, but he didn't want to leave me with the van sticking out onto the main road, and neither of us was crazy about the thought of me walking up the road. But our snow shovel is a regular, hard-plastic, wide shovel. His was not. His was metal. Smaller. With kind of pointed parts. The kind perfect for scraping away at ice. And the size just right for fitting in an area a regular snow shovel would have a problem with. You know, almost as if God knew something... He and Josh took turns using the shovel - he even got down on the ground to work at it. This complete stranger, whom I'd never seen before (and who actually didn't speak to me except to tell me to push on the gas slowly as they pushed the van). It took about half an hour, but we were unstuck! He told us we should get a hotel, but I couldn't leave my mom alone up there (and, to add to it - our furnace had gone out, but had just been fixed that day). So we tried it again, and got stuck again. The man was gone by now, but we weren't stuck so badly and it just took Josh a few minutes to free us. We parked the van on the main road, and he walked me up to the house. He had been going to stay the night, but we couldn't leave the van on the road all night. So he decided to go home and come back in the morning to take me back to the hospital. He got home, but couldn't get up his road - it was ice. So the poor guy had to go get a hotel after all (something the man kept saying we should do). Neither of us got much sleep that night. LOL But God is so good! So we visited Randy yesterday, but didn't stay long because we didn't want to be home to either of our places after dark. I can't go see Randy today, but I've talked to him on the phone (and Josh is going to see him on his lunch break). Randy had a rough night last night from the pain - even with the meds. So the doctor said they were missing something and sent him to have a CAT scan of his leg. They found a hematoma. Not something to normally worry about, but with someone on anti-coagulants it is a concern. The doc called the hematologist who worked with Randy two years ago and they agreed to take him off one of his blood thinners while he was in hospital (they had him on his regular Warfarin, but put him on Lovenox as well). They are keeping him on the Lovenox for now and so he has to remain in hospital longer so they can monitor the hematoma. Randy said something about the muscle as well, but he had gotten his pain meds by the time I'd talked to him, and coupled with the sleepless night was pretty drowsy. Anyway...would greatly appreciate prayer. Thank you for reading this mini book.
  12. 6 points

    Rough Times

    My son was involved in an accident, on one of our vehicles, and it looks like we will be sued. I can't go into details on here but sure could use some prayer. To compound that, it's lambing time, we have already lost 10 lambs. Then yesterday someone bought one of our pieces of skid steer/tractor equipment and, by the end of the day, severely damaged it, then stopped payment on our check. I sent their photo to the manufacturer and they said it was abused but I have received no word yet when a replacement part will be sent. I'm feeling pretty low.
  13. 6 points

    Goofs and booboos in the KJV.

    I must have a different KJV. I have been reading it for 44 years and have yet to find a goof or booboo.
  14. 6 points

    Goofs and booboos in the KJV.

    I'm just a simple guy, but I think I can see a parallel between what Mr. Roby zeros in on and other so called "pet theories". We have had those that have passed through before trying to set us straight with their pet theory ideas. We see this also outside of our forum. They are always the ones that cannot seem to focus on anything outside of one issue that takes up their whole thought processes. We've seen it here in the form of just one that I will mention out of the many, and that is with the former member SFIC who has been banned , his sole issue in any interaction with others was with the tithe. Out in the real world outside of the Internet these folks can be seen promoting their pet theories such as; women wearing pants; women should wear hats; men wearing beards; universal and local church; the tithe. Anyway you get the idea. Although it may be interesting for some who have never heard these theories and the valid arguments against them to read for the first time, the proponent of these pet theories is almost never convinced of the error of his or her ways and ends up being banned or just moving along to what they consider easier targets. So, having said all of that it leaves my simple mind to wonder if the Bible itself might address situations such as these. Pr 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself. Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; If any of what I have written seems uncharitable I would offer this: 2Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
  15. 6 points
    They CANNOT be the same because they were translated from DIFFERENT textual families and through DIFFERENT viewpoints of textual philosophy. Any talk that the "modern translations" are simply an attempt to "modernize" the language of the King James translations is FALSEHOOD. They are not different because they use "modern, updated language." They are different because they were translated from a DIFFERENT SOURCE. So then, IF the SOURCE for the King James translation is truth, then by definition they must be falsehood. On the other hand, IF the SOURCE for the "modern translations" is truth, then by definition the King James translation is falsehood. As for myself, through the Biblical doctrine of preservation and its doctrinal details, I believe that the source for the "modern translations" is FALSEHOOD. Therefore, I will NOT respect them, but will OPPOSE them. I know that some would claim that a King James Only position is a myth because it does not have direct support from the Holy Scriptures. For me my King James positioning, in opposition to the "modern translations," is a doctrinal CONCLUSION that is BUILT UPON my understanding concerning the DOCTRING OF PRESERVATION. So, I would ask - IS THE BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF PRESERVATION A MYTH?
  16. 6 points
    Matt Souza

    Why Large Families?

    While I understand what you are saying, God is bigger than you, myself and money in this area. If God wants someone to have a large family and the money is not there, God WILL provide. God has been known as the Lord who will provide (Genesis 22:14 & 2 Peter 1:11). Did it make sense for the Israelites to leave Egypt when they did not have enough water or food for the trip for the children? Did it make sense for Abraham to bring Isaac into the mountain for a sacrifice? Please don't limit God's ability. I dont think it's fair to make a blanket statement about what you've seen. I have seen what you have seen, and I also have seen God supply and take care of large families that had no financial way to take care of the kids, and I saw God provide and meet need after need. The quantity of kids is not a situation that is across the board. I must trust God in what He tells me, regardless of my bank account. GOD is bigger than anything.
  17. 6 points

    Steven Anderson

    Can you please show some respect for our beliefs already? You are a guest on this site. You aren’t required to agree with it (Re KJV), but you could be a bit more polite and stop throwing your “KJV myth” comments everywhere you possibly can.
  18. 6 points

    Rock Tumbling

    The church I am working at has a home school ministry and I thought it would be a fun thing for the kids to learn about rock polishing/tumbling, so I brought in my little rock tumbler and a few rough gemstones that came with it and showed them how it works. They were a bit disappointed that it's going to take so long to have a finished shiny stone, but are excited to seeing the finished product. The rock tumbler works by turning a barrel of rocks, sand, and water constantly for up to 3-4 weeks depending on your desired shininess or rock type. The tumbler that I got came with four different grits of sand, the first grit is the roughest type and just gets the rocks smoothed out, the final grit is the finest type and polishes the rocks. The rocks have been tumbling for two weeks now, and are now at grit #3 and will tumble for another week before I change the sand again. The pictures are of the tumbler and some random rocks I found, before tumbling, and after the first week of tumbling. Before: After 1 week:
  19. 6 points


    Bubbles by Alan As one goes through life, troubles, like bubbles, arise and flow, Turmoil and woe, Friend and Foe Alike flow like bubbles, Bubbles, like troubles, are the woe on man, The curse of sin, Bubbles, like time, wax and wan, rise and fall Though big and complex, like the throes of life, meet man alike Bubble like troubles, are strong and weak to all they meet A wind shall carry, all alike, from start to finish. Though alike in form, the end is not norm, for all bubbles. To prove the fact, the truth may be known All bubbles are not the same. Though flimsy and flighty, the race is not in the bubble, 'tis the wind. Though not swift, nor strong in might, 'tis the wind. 'Tis wind my friend, the determines the end, of the bubble. ' that the race is not, to the swift,' 'tis the wind. Ecclesiastes 9:11 Photo by Mrs. Alan
  20. 6 points

    Wesco Family to Cameroon

    Please be in prayer for the Wesco family. This family of 10 arrived in Cameroon in recent months as missionaries. Brother Wesco was shot in the head and died either this morning or yesterday (the time difference fools me...). Anyway, all of their children are minors, so Sister Wesco is left to rear them as a single mom. Her prayer is that God will be glorified through all of this.
  21. 6 points
    25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. When we married, my wife tried to change me, and I tried to change her. To make a long story short, the truth of those verses finally dawned on me. After I gave up my own desires and accepted her for who she was, life was much better. Take it as you will.
  22. 6 points
    Here is something to ponder -- 1. The character of God's Law is holy. Thus it is in perfect unity with the perfect holiness of the Lord our God. 2. The character of God's Spirit is holy. Thus he is in perfect unity with the perfect holiness of the Lord our God. 3. If by character God's Law directs us in a perfect standard of holiness, and if by character God's Spirit directs us in a perfect standard of holiness, in what manner does God's Law and God's Spirit contradict each other?
  23. 6 points

    I have a request

    Tomorrow I will be going in for an echocardiogram. I have had the test before and there was nothing wrong. However, I recently had an EKG that showed some issues. There is an issue in my sinus rhythm, and they suspect that my left atrium is enlarged. Hence the ECG. There is definitely something wrong - I can feel it. Please, if you would, pray that they can find what's wrong and we can take care of it. On a happier note, I had a whole slew of blood tests done, and everything is great with those. No high blood pressure, either. My hubs had some tests as well. And they weren't as happy. His A1C hit 7, and his triglycerides were so high they couldn't figure his LDL or HDL count. My TOTAL lipid panel was 134. His triglyderides are 1500. Yes, you read that right. Ugh... So now we are in the process of trying to change some things. Would appreciate prayer for that as well.
  24. 6 points
    Pastor Scott Markle

    My Apology

    Sometimes it is not the words themselves, but the attitude in which those words were administered. We observe the words, but God the Holy Spirit is able to look upon the attitude. Thus if God the Holy Spirit brought conviction against what was done, although you or I do not see the fault, then God the Holy Spirit should be heeded. Although I also may not have recognized any fault in Brother Jim's responses, I do certainly honor his humility in publicly providing the above expression of humble repentance at the direction of God the Holy Spirit.
  25. 6 points

    The beauty of creation

    Sunset East Coast of Taiwan The evening sun reflecting on the clouds - No Photo editing or special lighting. Photo by Alan
  26. 6 points
    Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.
  27. 5 points

    Sinking In The Mire

    Sinking In The Mire Jeremiah 38:6a Then took they Jeremiah, and cast him into the dungeon of Malchiah the son of Hammelech, that was in the court of the prison: and they let down Jeremiah with cords. The prophet Jeremiah's enemies gathered together against him, seeking to put him to death. As a result, he was cast into the dungeon, where he began to sink in the mire. Jeremiah 38:6b And in the dungeon there was no water, but mire: so Jeremiah sunk in the mire. Adversities and afflictions will often seem to rise against us, much like Jeremiah's enemies rose against him. Left with no firm footing, you may find yourself sinking in the mire of despair, overwhelmed and oppressed. In the midst of discouragement, your eyes fail you of tears, your voice chokes up and your cry to the gates of Heaven seems to come to no avail, and it becomes harder to look up to the Lord in hope. Psalms 69:1-3 Save me, O God; for the waters are come in unto my soul. I sink in deep mire, where there is no standing: I am come into deep waters, where the floods overflow me. I am weary of my crying: my throat is dried: mine eyes fail while I wait for my God. Isaiah 38:14a Like a crane or a swallow, so did I chatter: I did mourn as a dove: mine eyes fail with looking upward: But the Lord has not forsaken you, He has not forgotten you, He has not left you to face these trials alone or in your own strength. He is only waiting for you to cry out to Him in faith. Will you look to Him to deliver you from your trouble? Will you trust Him? The following quote from the book of Lamentations very likely expresses Jeremiah's prayer from this same dungeon, where he was literally sinking in the mire: Lamentations 3:52-56 Mine enemies chased me sore, like a bird, without cause. They have cut off my life in the dungeon, and cast a stone upon me. Waters flowed over mine head; then I said, I am cut off. I called upon thy name, O LORD, out of the low dungeon. Thou hast heard my voice: hide not thine ear at my breathing, at my cry. Isaiah 38:14b O LORD, I am oppressed; undertake for me. Psalms 56:3-4 What time I am afraid, I will trust in thee. In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me. Jeremiah 38:7-10 Now when Ebedmelech the Ethiopian, one of the eunuchs which was in the king's house, heard that they had put Jeremiah in the dungeon; the king then sitting in the gate of Benjamin; Ebedmelech went forth out of the king's house, and spake to the king, saying, My lord the king, these men have done evil in all that they have done to Jeremiah the prophet, whom they have cast into the dungeon; and he is like to die for hunger in the place where he is: for there is no more bread in the city. Then the king commanded Ebedmelech the Ethiopian, saying, Take from hence thirty men with thee, and take up Jeremiah the prophet out of the dungeon, before he die. Just like King Zedekiah sent his servant Ebedmelech to rescue Jeremiah from his affliction, so too will you find that the Lord God will send His servant (whatever He may choose, however He may choose - according to His will) to help you in your distress. (Note: the name Ebedmelech literally means "servant of the King".) When the mire seems the deepest and you are ready to give up, you will find your Heavenly Father is still at work behind the scenes, setting in motion the plan that will release you from your imprisonment. Psalms 91:14-16 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation. Lamentations 3:57-58 Thou drewest near in the day that I called upon thee: thou saidst, Fear not. O Lord, thou hast pleaded the causes of my soul; thou hast redeemed my life. Jeremiah 38:11-13 So Ebedmelech took the men with him, and went into the house of the king under the treasury, and took thence old cast clouts and old rotten rags, and let them down by cords into the dungeon to Jeremiah. And Ebedmelech the Ethiopian said unto Jeremiah, Put now these old cast clouts and rotten rags under thine armholes under the cords. And Jeremiah did so. So they drew up Jeremiah with cords, and took him up out of the dungeon: and Jeremiah remained in the court of the prison. Keep your focus on the Lord Jesus Christ, trust in Him and His Word - and like Jeremiah was drawn out of the mire of his prison, so too will you be drawn up out of the mire and the waters that have flooded your soul. Drawn With Cords Hosea 11:4a I drew them with cords of a man, with bands of love. Drawn From Above Psalms 18:16 He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters. Set Upon A Rock Psalms 40:1-3 I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD. Whatever the situation your are facing now, when it seems that your soul is sinking deep in the mire, look above - and let Jesus draw you up out of that prison of despair, and set your feet back upon the solid rock! Only in Him will you find the firm footing to face the trials of life. Love Lifted Me (Lyrics: James Rowe) I was sinking deep in sin, far from the peaceful shore, Very deeply stained within, sinking to rise no more, But the Master of the sea, heard my despairing cry, From the waters lifted me, now safe am I. Chorus: Love lifted me! Love lifted me! When nothing else could help Love lifted me! Souls in danger look above, Jesus completely saves, He will lift you by His love, out of the angry waves. He’s the Master of the sea, billows His will obey, He your Savior wants to be, be saved today. November 19th/05 Jerry Bouey http://www.earnestlycontending.com/ewministries/jerry/sinkinginthemire.html
  28. 5 points

    How do you explain the Holy Light?

    Lucian, I would like to challenge your approach to 'proving' what is heretical vs. authentic. Your post appears to suggest that you are allowing miracles to 'prove' truth. I would challenge you that truth should prove all things by itself. I assume you're Orthodox? I think we can establish a base that we can both agree with - that the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God. God Himself inspired its writing, and the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost (2 Peter 1:21). Can we start with the agreement that the Bible is God's direct Word to mankind? As God is Holy, True and Perfect, so His Word is True. It cannot be anything but True. Therefore, we can judge all things by it. We are, in fact, instructed to prove all things; hold fast that which is true (1 Thess. 5:21). Consider: And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. (Acts 17:10-12) So we are told to look in the Bible to see if what we are taught by other sources is true. Consider also: For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:16-21) Here Peter is referring to the Transfiguration described in Matthew 17. This was an amazing, miraculous event where the disciples not only saw Jesus as God in His glory, but also saw the great (dead) prophets speaking to Him! What an amazing sign and event this was - yet Peter tells us in this passage that the written Word of God (the Bible) is a more sure source of information and truth (i.e. prophecy) than that miraculous sign. The principle here is that the Bible is to be our first source of Truth - more so than any sign. We do see in the Bible where at different times, God used signs & wonders - especially in His dealing with the Jews. But that was never His primary form of communication. God sent prophets to tell His people His truth; many of those prophets He used to write down His Word in the Bible. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! (Matthew 23:37). Moreover, we are repeatedly warned that there will be false prophets, and false christs, that will use signs and wonders to deceive people: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders... (2 Thess. 2:9) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many... Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. (Matthew 24:11, 23-25) (Mark 13:21-22) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast... (Rev. 13:11-14a) This last one specifically refers to fire being used as a false sign! Remember also, that in the time of the Exodus, the priests of the false Egyptian gods were able to recreate some of the miracles of the plagues. Satan is not without power, and uses that power to deceive people lest they believe in the true Gospel of God and be saved. And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the Lord had said. And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt. (Exodus 7:22; 8:17) This, then, is what the Bible says about all signs and wonders; that they must be proven by Scripture, that Scripture is always the final Word, and that they can be the work of false prophets and must not be implicitly trusted. Is this Holy Fire used to demonstrate the veracity of Orthodoxy? Then one must look at the doctrine of Orthodoxy. How does it compare to the Bible? Ephesians 2:5-6 says: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast. Is Orthodox doctrine in agreement with this? Does it agree with the teaching of Isaiah 53 and the rest of Scripture which teach that Christ is our substitutionary atonement - that God literally accepted His Death as sacrifice for sin in our stead? If not, you must reject the doctrines of men in favor of the teaching of the Word of God. Trying to worship God using the doctrines of men is vain. Look at Matthew 15:9 (But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men) and Mark 7:7; study Colossians 2 which warns about replacing the simple Gospel of faith in Jesus Christ's finished work alone for a works-based attempt at pleasing God. (which can never succeed: But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6) You had asked what I thought about the Holy Fire. First, my library training (I'm a Library Tech by education) teaches me not to trust a site that has an inherent interest in the subject. In other words, of course an Orthodox site will cite proof for this phenomenon. Any claim of scientific proof needs to be backed up by an impartial witness. Secondly, a quick Wikipedia search shows that this phenomenon has apparently been debunked by multiple individuals over the past millennium. Thirdly, (and actually the most important), since the Bible warns me of false teachers using miracles, and since I know Orthodox doctrine is not in line with the Bible, I honestly don't care whether it's an authentic miracle or a hoax. It could be a miracle of Satan, or it could be a hoax of the priests. Doesn't matter. I will trust the Bible, God's Word, as True and Truth and follow its teachings rather than that of the Orthodox church. Food for thought. I was not 'raised Baptist', rather as a born-again believer I choose to attend the Baptist church that I do because I believe its teachings align most closely with the Bible.
  29. 5 points
    John Young

    Goofs and booboos in the KJV.

    A selection of all the "Goofs and booboos" of the modernist movement in the ongoing process of trying to find and fix the Goofs and booboos.... I'm sure the'll get them all eventually...
  30. 5 points

    Cards For Randy DePriest

    LuAnne, (HappyChristian) gave me permission to post an address to send Randy get well wishes and to let him know people everywhere are praying for his speedy recovery. Please send the cards to his church, some of you may already have this address but here it is again: Pastor Randy DePriest c/o Lighthouse Baptist Church 108 Airport Road Port Townsend, WA 98368 I'm sure it will encourage Randy and the Church at Port Townsend.
  31. 5 points
    Maybe you have the daunting task of putting together your church bulletin, or just maybe you have read the church bulletin on a Sunday Morning and got a little chuckle on how a sentence was worded or the wrong placement of a comma. Here is a list of some of my favorite things that have somehow made its way into our church bulletin. Reminds us that we all need proofreaders at times. Enjoy. For those of you who have children and don't know it, we have a nursery down stairs. The eighth graders will be presenting Shakespeare's Hamlet in the church basement on Friday at 7 pm. The congregation is invited to attend the tragedy. This being Easter Sunday, we will ask Mrs. Lewis to come forward and lay an egg on the altar. Thursday night: Potluck Supper - Prayer and medication will follow. Scouts are saving aluminum cans, bottles, and other items to be recycled. Proceeds will be used to cripple children. Weight Watchers meeting has been moved to 6pm. Please use the double doors when entering. Evening massage - 7 p.m. Next Sunday we have a soloist for the morning service. The pastor will then preach on "It's a Terrible Experience." Remember in prayer the many who are sick of our church and community. Don't let worry kill you off - let the church help. A bean supper will be held on Tuesday evening in the church hall. Music will follow. At the evening service tonight, the sermon topic will be "What is hell?" Come early and listen to our choir practice. The choir invites any member of the congregation who enjoys sinning to join the choir. You have a funny blooper from your church bulletin? Please comment it below.
  32. 5 points

    Hubs in the hospital...

    Yesterday Randy's INR made it to 1.9. This morning he called me at 8:30 to inform me that it had jumped to 2.4! The doctor was happy - and told him he was going to send him home today! He told him it wouldn't be til this evening because they had to shut off the heparin and they need to monitor things for a bit with that. The Lord's timing is interesting - this is the first Sunday of the month, so we have afternoon service following lunch, and no evening service (usually we go to the nursing home, but because Randy was in the hospital we had to cancel this month). So I talked to Randy about 3 pm. He told me the doctor said he could come home at 5. Yeehaw! Josh drove me to the hospital, and we got there at 4:55. I helped Randy get dressed and away we went! The hematoma is still there, and still causing him pain. But he is able to bend his leg a bit - and the horrible bruising has really been clearing up (his entire thigh was badly bruised). After 18 days away, Randy is home! The doctor is pretty optimistic that the warfarin is dissolving the DVT. He'll likely have an ultra sound some time soon just to be sure (at least I hope so!). He has to see his primary doctor as soon as possible, so we'll be calling for an appt tomorrow. They were testing his INR every day, but now it'll stretch a bit further. He goes in Tuesday for it and then again Friday. He was able to take a shower for the first time since the morning of Feb. 14. Boy, was he happy! And he didn't miss out on the cowboy baked beans I made for church today. I so appreciate your prayer. I would appreciate continued prayer that the DVT would dissolve and that the hematoma would continue to shrink as the muscle continues to heal. It's been so great to glance over at his chair and see him in it.
  33. 5 points

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    Ok this has gone on long enough. We have rules for posting on these forums, rules that the new people in this thread have obviously not read. Here is the one pertinent to this thread: We will not allow the following c) Members that come just to argue doctrine instead of fellowship. I am locking this thread for the above stated reason. Any further attempt by anyone to start a new thread on the same subject will be cause to ban that person.
  34. 5 points

    Rock Tumbling

    Wow! Beautiful rocks. Thank you for the article on Rock Tumbling. Looking forward to the end result. The rocks in their natural state (full of dirt, scratches, grime, dross and imperfections), were not as beautiful, or useful for public display, or for sale, as much as after they were polished, as before. Right off the top of my head I can think of some illustrations concerning a new life in Christ, and the beauty of salvation, once the Lord polishes us up and takes away the "rough" edges off of us. "Take away the dross from the silver, and there shall come forth a vessel for the finer." Proverbs 25:4 "If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work." 2 Timothy 2:21
  35. 5 points
    On another thread I told about our road trip around the U. S. When we reached Florida my friend developed a severe back problem. He was in severe pain that would not let up. We went to five different hospitals in three days. It was only in the last one that he got a correct diagnosis. It was sciatica. It took Morphine to kill the pain, but it wore off with time. He has to deal with the V. A. So it is difficult to get anything done. I have had this condition also and found an exercise that worked. I had him try it and it seems to be working. He can't travel in this condition so our trip has been on hold for two days. We hope this exercise will work well enough to allow us to get back on the road. We are only half way through our planned trip and need to complete it and get back home to California. I have a bad problem going on at home with ,livestock. My wife is alone and we live very remote, so this is difficult for me emotionally because I can't be there for her. So, please add us to your prayer list, all prayer is appreciated.
  36. 5 points
    Well, September 21st came and went without the signing of the covenant by the 10 nations as foretold by Mr. Jordan. I hope this will be a lesson to him and anyone else who sets dates. No man knows.
  37. 5 points
    Pastor Scott Markle

    Sheep teaching sheep

    As has been stated already, the statements concerning sheep not teaching sheep is NOT a Biblical concept. In fact, I myself would be willing to contend that it is a doctrinally FASLE concept, standing in conflict with the teaching of God's Word concerning our responsibility to edify and exhort one another, as well as the responsibility of faithful men to teach others also and of older, godly women to teach the younger. Sad to say; but even in Independent Baptist churches, false doctrine may be found. On the other hand, the "under-shepherd" term has developed through an implication from God's Word. Scripture DOES reference church leadership as shepherds. Furthermore, Scripture refers unto our Lord Jesus Christ as the CHIEF Shepherd, and that in a context wherein instruction is delivered to church leadership. (See 1 Peter 5:1-4) Thus the implication is taken that since our Lord Jesus Christ is the Chief Shepherd, and Holy Spirit appointed church leadership are shepherds UNDER His CHIEF authority, then such church leadership may be referenced as UNDER-shepherds. The term is actually intended to emphasize the submission, responsibility, and accountability of church leadership UNDER the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ.
  38. 5 points
    Just wanted to praise God for finding this site one thing I love about KJVO is if it in the Bible I don't have to worry about them telling me it not in my Bible. l really hate when discussing a verse like I John 5:7 about the Blessed Trinity knowing if they have a NIV or NASB I have to more than likely argue for a majority of that verse that has been remove from their versions.
  39. 5 points

    The Local Church.

    Acts 8: 1-3 and 9:31, “Persecution against the Local Church” Acts 8:1-3, “And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles. And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him. As for Saul, he made havoc of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.” “… great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem;” After the martyrdom of Stephen, Acts 7:54-60, Saul, with the direct authority of the Jewish religious leaders, enacted a period of great persecution against the saints at the church at Jerusalem. As the saints went into hiding, even in their homes, Saul brutally persecuted them. “… and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.” Except for the apostles, the saints from the local church at Jerusalem scattered. The Meaning, and Description, of a “Local” Church A local church is where Christians assemble for the preaching, teaching, fellowship and evangelism. A local church is “regional.” The Region of Judea and Samaria Map is the courtesy of ConformingToJesus.com When the saints fled from the persecution of Saul some of them went to the region of Judea and Samaria. Judea is the region that surrounds Jerusalem and Samaria is north of Judea and Jerusalem. The saints that fled Jerusalem in the area surrounding Jerusalem preached the gospel and established churches in the various cities in the region surrounding Jerusalem. The saints that fled to the northern region of Jerusalem preached the gospel and established churches in the northern region. The assemblies of the saints were local, or regional, in location. The Apostle Paul, and Regional, or Local Churches “For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ: Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men’s labours; but having hope when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly, To preach the gospel in the regions beyond you, and not to boast in another man’s line of things made ready to our hand.” 2 Corinthians 10:14-16 The Region of Corinth Map is the courtesy of https://bibleatlas.org/corinth.htm On his second missionary journey, the Apostle Paul left the region of his local church in Antioch and traveled to the region of Corinth to preach the gospel and start a church. “To preach the gospel in the regions beyond you.” Every New Testament Church is “regional,” or “local” to the area that it assembles in. The church at Corinth was a regional or local church that was limited to its own area or region. The apostle Paul knew that the influence of a local assembly, in this case Corinth, was limited to a particular region; or local in scope and authority. The Churches, Plural, are rested from Persecution Acts 9:31, “Then had the churches rest throughout all Judea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.” In Acts 9:1-30 we witness the dramatic conversion of Saul the Persecutor to become Paul the Apostle. The scriptures are abundantly clear that the “churches,” plural had rest from persecution. The scripture even names some of the regions that the churches were located: Judea, Galilee and Samaria. Two of the locations, Judea and Samaria, were mentioned previously with the third location, Galilee, the region north of Samaria, mentioned. The scripture is devoid of remarks concerning a “Universal Church.” The Universal Church and Acts 9:31 The King James Version reading of Acts 9:31 is very clear, “churches.” “Church” is singular and “churches” are plural. As mentioned before, the King James Version not only says “churches” but it also lists three distinct regions that the churches existed: Judea, Samaria and Galilee. The website, ‘gotquestions.org,’ article, a strong Universal Church proponent, on the question, “What is the difference between the universal church and the local church, states, “In Acts 9:31, the King James rendering of the plural word churches should actually be the singular church, which describes the universal church, not just local churches.”[1] The article does not specify a particular writer, nor does it specify a particular version, nor a particular Greek manuscript. The website creator is a para-church ministry of Mr. S. Michael Houdmann. Houdmann is a graduate of Calvary University and Calvary Theological Seminary, Kansas City, MO and uses the modern versions extensively. F. H. A. Scrivener’s Greek translation of the Textus Receptus, in Acts 9:31, gives the plural translation of the Greek word: plural: αἱ … ἐκκλησίαι .[2] Therefore, the King James translation is correct by word and description: the ‘churches’ plural, had rest after the persecution by Saul ceased. [1] “What is the difference between the universal church and the local church?” GotQuestions.org/universal-local-church.html [2] Scrivener, F. H. A., M. A., The New Testament, (The Trinitarian Bible Society: London, England), Cambridge University Press 1894 and 1902. Page238.
  40. 5 points
    1 Corinthians 14:23 Also maybe James 2:1-3
  41. 5 points

    What would you do?

    If a lost person shows up at church, they should be shown the love of Christ, not slammed for their clothing...they're lost, they don't know any better. Perhaps instead of singling out that person or immediately talking trash about their wardrobe, maybe have a member of the congregation reach out to them in love and disciple them. No, I no longer wear pants most of the time, I wear dresses and skirts. BUT...if I had walked into a church wearing jeans and a t-shirt and was immediately run off, whatever spark of faith I had would have been quenched and I would have had my opinion of Christians reinforced. DO not be a stumbling block to these searchers...if they show up at church, their hearts are tender towards the Lord. Foster that, nurture that. In discipling them, they can learn the other standards. Remember, Jesus didn't toss anyone out for their clothing (or lack thereof)...why should we be any different?
  42. 5 points
    Doc Flay, Thank you for your testimony. It helps us understand how a sincere Catholic thinks and how it is best to deal with them. You also reminded me of the time a year or so after I was saved and had a discussion concerning a couple of Catholic beliefs to a Catholic Chaplain in the Air Force. Although both of us were friendly to one another, the result was somewhat the same. As I was a new Christian at the time I was I was somewhat taken aback as he did not really care for what the Bible had to say and said that because I did not know the Greek language (which I admitted I did not), and that due to my ignorance in not knowing what the church taught (which at the time I was), I did not know what the Bible really taught. I was dumbfounded at the time as I felt he just didn't care what the Bible clearly taught. Afterwards, it came to my mind that he was religious but lost and cared more about his denominational beliefs, traditions, and ceremonies then the scripture. In my eyes, he used the Bible but did not believe it. He reminded me of the Pharisees. The Lord used that conversation that day in the Chaplains office to help me grow spiritually. Alan
  43. 5 points

    The Local Church.

    Well done Alan, I wouldn't change a word of this lesson. The thought you put into this is very obvious, correct and something that most lessons on the local church do not teach. They might correctly teach against denominations and hierarchies, but never attain the depth you have here.
  44. 5 points
    Not to beat a dead horse now that Davidjayjordan has been banned, but I want to say one last thing... To Davidjayjordan (if you return here to see what has happened since you've been banned...and I know you will), You need to repent, Repent, REPENT!!! You didn't like my usage of the word "repent"; in fact, you asked me not to use that word. I wondered, "Why would someone who claims to be a believer be offended at the use of a biblical term?" Pride? Perhaps... So I asked if this was more palatable to you... ...which is what "repent" means when enacted. However, you didn't respond to that. I don't claim to be right all of the time. In fact, I'm always glad when I'm shown that I'm wrong about things. I will say this as humbly as I can... You need to take some time to figure out if you're wrong about many things concerning God's word. From what you have personally shared here (and on your website), I have VERY strong reservations about anything you have to say concerning God's word and its interpretation. When I see the things that you say...and the things that you believe...I fear for you. I admire your boldness, yet your boldness is misplaced. God doesn't speak to us audibly today (as you have asserted in your testimony). We live by faith...faith in his word...the written word of God...the Bible. If you are trusting in an experience or signs (audible voices), then your faith is in the wrong thing. Yes, I said "thing". (Romans 10:17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by...what? THE WORD OF GOD!!! Not voices. The written word of God is what gives us our faith...anything apart from that is false and to be shunned and avoided. I adjure you...look in retrospect at all that you have placed your faith in. Is it solely based on the written word of God?
  45. 5 points
    I have considered locking this thread for absurdity.....but then considered that it may prove valuable in the future to some others that may be confused by things such as this. In the future people can look at both sides of the controversy and plainly see that a self proclaimed Independent Fundamental Baptist cannot get even one person on an IFB forum to agree with him. Most of the people in opposition to Brother D's nonsense provide valid, Scriptural arguments, while he continually responds with his own opinions, even going as far as to try to convince others that Scripture is only the opinion of the translators, instead of Inspired Scripture. 1Tim 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. Prov 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. 2Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
  46. 5 points
    Jim, I was probably a little too strong. I do care about the opinions of people. What I have witnessed on this site and in my life is people don't know what the Bible says. They only know what their pastor or some other man says. When you ask for Scripture, they can't give it. I was like that for many years. In college, I had a Bible Doctrines professor who forced us to write our own Doctrinal statements. It was at that time, I started to realize that I was trusting in my Pastor, not on Scripture.
  47. 5 points

    Let God be True and Every Man a Liar

    I think this is the key statement, where PastorJ is comparing the reading of the Bible with the reading of what men say ABOUT the Bible. I have posted about this before, and been somewhat attacked about it. The problem is that some men rely almost exclusively on what other men say this passage means or that passage means, and they don't ever just sit down and read what the Bible itself actually says. There are examples of people being commended for testing the preaching of the Word (Acts 17:10,11) and not just believing what they have been told - and in that particular case it was Paul who was preaching! But many people blindly follow their Pastor without question. Many people look to commentaries before trying to figure out for themselves what the Bible means in a particular passage. Many people seek out their "favourite Pastor" for explanations on a passage, and simply accept whatever he says as Gospel. We have even had this in evidence on OLB - where advice or explanation is given and ignored until this person or that person comments and then the same advice or explanation is suddenly accepted. I mentioned in my own thread that I probably lean too far the other way in respect to commentaries, but what I did not say then, but will now, is that I am a bit of a preaching junky. I have masses of preaching on file which I listen to, and I rarely pass up an opportunity to get to preaching meetings that are close enough. I am NOT averse to listening to the Holy Spirit speak through Bible preachers, and I rarely leave a preaching session without learning and hopefully growing. However, many people simply ignore 2 Tim 2:15 in preference to reading someone else's study notes. I am fearful for such people, for they are those who WILL at some point be led astray. Study for yourselves Folks!!! And once you have thoroughly exhausted yourself on such study, THEN, if you find it necessary, seek the advice of a godly preacher, whether that be in print or in person. Get this the wrong way around and you WILL be led astray eventually. Now, with me standing beside PastorJ on this one.... bring it on! By the way brother Jim, the reason I came here initially was for some safe, independent Baptist fellowship - a place where I could talk with likeminded people with some level of safety from attacks. I rarely post here now, because that safety is simply not evident. I write lots of posts, but I don't post hardly anything - it is not worth the firestorm that comes from what should be plainly acceptable statements among IFB.
  48. 5 points
    An old timer, I knew years ago, once said "It's a sin if you look twice". I do think there's some wisdom in that. But I remember a deacon's daughter, in the IFB church I was a member of, coming to God's house wearing a dress with a "slit" WAY up her thigh. Another lady would come to the church exposing most of her "cleavage"....Really, WHY? . Just last week, my wife mentioned that the pastor's daughter showed up downtown with shorts so minuscule that her "gluteus maximi" were "protruding". Ma'am, I agree, men should not be "slobbering fountains of testosterone", but at least when we come to GOD'S HOUSE, we shouldn't be having to walk around looking at the ceiling to prevent ourselves from "seeing once" just because some of the "women professing godliness" can't seem to dress better than "the attire of an harlot" (1 Timothy 2::10) and (Proverbs 7:10) Responsibility goes BOTH ways as God expects women to "control" themselves too; and most do. God bless you ma'am.
  49. 5 points
    Well, let's see. We have a country where it's been fashionable to "come out of the closet" and proudly proclaim that you're "gay" for a few decades now. But just 5 decades ago, when I was learning to read, Janet, Mark and Spot had a "gay" old time and it meant they were "happy". Now, Girls are going out, hunting bears with bows and arrows, fighting in combat and boys are now dainty little sissies. We DISHONOUR and emasculate our men, deeming them worthless buffoons, take away the things associated with manhood and give them to the women. How did we get here? Little baby steps. For one thing, we gave them our clothes. Women began dressing like men a loooong time ago and now the men have relented, we have little left. Bruce Jenner, the once mighty athlete is now "Kaitlin Jenner" wearing a dress.. Y'all do what you want, as for me and my house, my wife and daughter wear dresses and and are not the least bit interested in deer hunting.
  50. 5 points
    Hello! Welcome! You will receive differing views here on that subject. My view is that there's nothing wrong with women wearing pants as long as the pants are modest...the same with dresses, skirts, blouses, shirts, etc... Modesty of the apparel in how it adorns a lady is the essential key...not the make of the apparel. (1 Timothy 2:9-10) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
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