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  1. It amazes me how many people think that the government is the one that gives us freedom. Freedom comes from our creator. If anyone feels that we have not lost any freedom, then they themselves are enslaved to the government.
    6 points
  2. Huh? Makes no sense. You always had the freedom to stay in the cottage. To now say you have the freedom to read and write is a lie because you always had that freedom as that was always your choice to be in or out of the cottage. Sounds a lot like what Hitler did to gain control. To now call staying in freedom is a lie because you always had that freedom to travel or stay home. That's the mentality I see in dictator leaderships
    5 points
  3. Spoken like a true dictator
    5 points
  4. @jeff_student_of_Jesus.....Strange, I recall a Bible verse that says that only the sick need a physician...SCIENCE! Luke was a physician....SCIENCE! Science is not necessarily bad in and of itself. Medicine (pharmaceuticals) are not necessarily a bad thing. I'm diabetic and have to use insulin. I wouldn't die if I didn't take it, being type II, but it is necessary to regulate m my blood sugar, as are the other two medications for the diabetes. I use an inhaler for my asthma and COPD. Again...medication that is necesary for me to breathe. I believe you're incorrect in your assumptions that people who put their trust in science are wrong. There are some scientific breakthroughs that have been very beneficial to mankind. Maybe you need to be rethinking your premise.
    4 points
  5. The "freedom" to make the best of one's cage is not freedom.
    4 points
  6. We decided to have one thread about Covid instead of having countless threads covering the same topic. Since this still a hot topic in the world today we don't want not talk about it regardless of beliefs. Whatever you opinion is on covid, this is where you we'll talk about it. All new threads will be closed so please post covid-19 related topics in this thread..
    3 points
  7. Our present and previous administration has failed us with the vaccine. They turned the vaccine into a political agenda and Biden lied about the vaccine just the other day in the CNN town hall meeting (not the part where he rambles about the men on the moon and aliens), and his administrations has not been transparent about the vaccine. It's all been about votes. Sad!!! Thus the hesitancy. I honesty believe this would be different about the vaccine if our politicians told the truth from the beginning.
    3 points
  8. Great answer! Yes freedoms are given by God. God uses governments at His discretion to defend those freedom. For a government to do nothing when laws are violated is the same as condoning the illegal activity and threatens the freedom of the people of that nation. Government here in the states is doing nothing on multiple fronts. I won't take advantage of the current administrations lack of mental prowess to act on behalf of their own citizenry, others have aided and abetted them (i.e. Clinton, Obama, G.W. Bush). I pray for their salvation instead.
    3 points
  9. It also gave you the freedom (excuse) to not attend without drawing criticism. Hebrews 10:25 (KJV) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
    3 points
  10. Since Covid has a 99.8% recovery rate, it is safe to say that almost no one has died from Covid alone. By the way, the 99.8% recovery rate includes those that died from complications brought on by Covid and/or pre-existing conditions. Most that died died from complications brought on by Covid, would likely have also died from the seasonal Flu; of which, over time, many more have died from than Covid.
    3 points
  11. As I had posted in one of the forums (believe it was the prayer forum), I went to Illinois this past weekend to meet a brother my other siblings never knew we had. He was found through a blood test by 23 and Me when my baby sister from that side of the family took the blood test to find out if she had any issues in her blood. Little did she know that it would lead to us finding out about this sibling. So, it was by the grace of God that we found out. It had been a lifelong dream of Shawn's to find his birth father. He had taken the tests in hopes of finding out who he was. He was disappointed to find out that Dad had passed away in 2000 from colon cancer, but, was greatly excited by the discovery that he had many siblings from his father's second marriage! My sister Becky, from Pekin, IL, and my sister Michele, whom had flown from Augusta, GA to Peoria, IL, and my wife and I, who of course, drove up to Pekin, IL from Murfreesboro, TN were the only ones who could make the trip to meet Shawn, but this was good! We got to face time with our brother, Mike and his wife Melenda (from outside of Tampa Bay), which made Shawn's day! He has received a very warm, loving embrace from my family. My mother has adopted him as her second son, in line of succession, me being the oldest. Shawn is one year younger than I, with Mike following two years behind Shawn. We showed Shawn around that town we grew up in, ate at our fathers favorite diner in Pekin, IL, the Busy Corner Grill, and spent several hours talking with him at Becky's house and at the hotel where we both stayed during our visit to Pekin. It was a GREAT visit, PTL! We are praying that Shawn and his family (his daughter, son-in-law, son and daughter-in-law, mother and grandchild) will come to know the Lord Jesus Christ. We covet your prayers as we continue to get to know Shawn and the rest of our newfound relatives in Boise. Thank you.
    3 points
  12. Unfortunately, Jesus is not the person you were speaking to here. It’s only us, and we can’t read your mind. Your response above, although slightly condescending, utilizes a much more straightforward sentence structure than usual. We would be grateful if you could continue that trend.
    3 points
  13. Why me? To elaborate on my answer to Tony, I took the question as general - we the people, rather than specifically Christians. The question of whether we are actually being persecuted for our faith is much harder to answer at this point. But generally - and in my area of the world (because it's also location-dependent), yes. Canadian citizens are guaranteed free passage within Canada - yet this last few months saw us forbidden from entering different provinces - either at all, or without quarantining or vaccination. Canadians are guaranteed freedom of religion, assembly and association in our Charter of Rights - yet in Alberta (which has been the freest province - it's kind of the Texas of Canada ), we have seen limits on church attendance - as low as 5 distanced people - which were not similarly put on other corporations. This is a limit on our freedom of religion, assembly & association. We have been forbidden from having other people - even close family members - in our homes. This is a limit of our freedom of association. We have been forbidden from having outside gatherings of more than people. This is a limit on our freedom of assembly. The Charter allows for these rights to be temporarily removed for pressing reasons (such as a real pandemic), but the government must prove the need for these. In Alberta, several court cases have asked the government to provide this information THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD BEFORE LIMITING ANY CHARTER FREEDOMS, and they do not have it to provide. They stall, ask for more time to gather it (after 14 months of Covid!), and ultimately provided nothing. This means that they have unlawfully removed our Charter rights. In the last few months, our government in Alberta (whether provincial or federal) have restricted, removed the ability to, or required government permission to: Go to church with more than X people - smallest number being 5 (Alberta was the freest province for this. BC, Ontario and Manitoba have had months where churches were not permitted to be open at all.) Sing to God Sing at all Visit family/friends in their home Visit family/friends outside their home Go to a funeral Attend a wedding Check on or visit seniors in their nursing homes Leave your nursing home (if you're a senior) Have family with you as you die Have family with you in the hospital as a child or maternity patient Receive medical care without masking (even if you're allergic to masks or asthmatic or otherwise incapable of wearing one) Visit our national parks/camp outside Purchase necessities Go to school Go to work Open your small business to make a living (particularly restaurants, personal care and gyms) Protest Hold an event/stampede/parade/concert/literally anything Hug your grandma Stand within 6 feet of someone else (this is actually a health order - a kind of law - that we aren't allowed to do this) Travel freely between towns (Alberta has actually been one of the better ones for this - merely 'discouraging' rather then enforcing. In Ontario, they were actively restricting movement between municipalities within the province. With police checks and everything! Travel freely between provinces (Alberta is actually okay for this - BC has discouraged travel with limited enforcement. The Maritimes have closed their borders to visitors and now the unvaccinated completely.) Leave the country by land (can't do it, period.) Enter the country (to fly into Alberta as a Canadian citizen requires a $3000 3-day stay at a sub-par secured hotel facility. If you have failed to get the right test before returning, you may be removed to an undisclosed location for the full quarantine period. This is a requirement - you are not free to go home without risking severe fines. Oh, but if you're not a Citizen? You don't have to do this. It's only for Canadian citizens.) Leave your home after traveling even if not sick Breathe freely This isn't even a full list... I KNOW there's more I'm not remembering, but there's been so many for so long - I'm forgetting them all now! We're not full-blown communist yet, but looking at this list, we hit totalitarian several months ago. Regardless of one's position on the dangers of Covid, allowing a government to exert this level of control is dangerous.
    3 points
  14. Brother Matt & Brother Tony, are you interested in receiving a sample copy of the booklet? If so, let me know your mailing address through private message. Sample copy would be sent with no cost to you.
    2 points
  15. This is a tricky question because under these governments in the Bible nobody had the right to vocally disagree with the government (well, you could but you'd probably lose your head), protest, "redress of grievances", no elections were held except among the elites, no constitutional rights (although, a Roman had special rights beyond a non-Roman). It's true a lot of our freedoms are an illusion but for the most part we have a right under our form of government to oppose on many matters but ultimately a vote among people was to settle the matter. Unfortunately, votes don't matter anymore or at least half of Americans think that. When people think the game is rigged is when the violence comes. Remember the old saying, "Perception can be reality". There's also no doubt there are two sets of standards in America now which can be observed on a daily basis. What the standard of law is now, except in very extreme cases, is whatever is politically expedient for those in power and their wealthy/influential supporters. My opinion, for a believer, it comes down to testimony and saving your own neck. By saving your own neck is you have to decide if your civil disobedience will get you or your family unnecessarily harmed. Not every hill is worth dying upon. Example: Paul could have spoken up about the evils of slavery but would it realistically have changed anything? It probably would have gotten him an early exit from this world and gotten many other Christians harmed. So, better yet, teach subjection to your master and being a testimony of the gospel for him to see so he may be saved. Our main goal in this life is not demanding our rights but being a testimony for Jesus Christ.
    2 points
  16. Decades ago I made the mistake of reading the ingredients on the side of a potted mean can. I have not dared to eat it again.
    2 points
  17. Oh I completely agree. I occasionally watch YouTube videos of these guys for entertainment purposes. The compilations they've done on Jim Bakker and his guest's are beyond normal and hilarious watching him trying to sell those food buckets for thousands of dollars. Copeland and hIs crew are on a different level. Between him, his wife, and Billy Bryne (spelling?)...I can't stand to watch them for more than ten minutes.
    2 points
  18. Copeland cracks me up. I know I should be upset by how he's a deceiver but he's so bonkers I feel anyone who is deceived by him wants to be. The Copeland "mashups" on YouTube are hilarious. I know, I guess I'm carnal in these matters but sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh at these nut cases.
    2 points
  19. While churches should never try to make an "online virtual church" (not a real church) they also shouldn't exclude any type of media because the great commission compels us to use all mediums to reach the world for Christ. To exclude TV radio, tracts news papers, online video, or audio podcast, etc. just to protest a part of the modern world would be a mistake. In the world but not of the world includes being salt and light online as well as at the door step.
    2 points
  20. Bill keeps saying he trusts the science but ignores the fact that plenty of scientist are arguing against the vaccine. A while back I posted two of them, one who was world renowned, yet I don't believe anyone, including Bill, watched the videos. Well, Bill, I've decided to trust the censored scientists over Fauci and Gates.
    2 points
  21. I'm not anti-vax (we researched each vaccine before we gave to our kids and some vaccines we did not allow them to get, they don't need 80 by the time they are 8). I am against government over-control. Our government ignores the thousand of illegal immigrants crossing without checking for covid, but demand American citizens get it? The vaccine is not pushed for your safety, it is pushed with your vote. I know @Bouncing Bill will disagree and I have 0 problem with that. After all, I'm dumb
    2 points
  22. There is a big difference between what you personally feel God wants you to do as an individual, and someone claiming an objective fact based on their own “conviction”. I suppose the important question is what is ones “conviction” based on. Ones “convictions” might not necessarily correlate with reality always. Just because someone has a “conviction” does not make something factually true. Often peoples “convictions” are based on the current (and sometimes false or misleading) knowledge that we have. There are many people who have “convictions” that are nothing more than them adopting and following the examples they have seen modeled or taught to them by a respected source. These sources may or may not be correct at times. In other words we ought to be careful what we base our convictions on. I guess my point is personal convictions have no bearing on what is or is not true. I mean you having a conviction about something has zero binding authority on any one else nor does your conviction necessarily determine reality. There is a huge difference between having a conviction that you should personally use the KJV and the KJV is perfect. You feeling like you should exclusively use the KJV is not making a declaration about truth or reality for others. I have zero problems with that. Its quite different to assert that the KJV is perfect based on a conviction and to state that conviction as if it has any kind of authority to declare reality or determine truth.
    2 points
  23. A dangerous precedent for government officials to be thinking in these terms. borders on newspeak and a precursor terminology that dictators use to justify division and deadly force against the populace.
    2 points
  24. At a recovery rate of 99.8% the only "less dangerous" it could become is 0 zero.
    2 points
  25. lol, nice stereotype buddy. I know you're quoting it in agreement with the article. Keep watching the news and you'll believe that. I wasn't aware that covid just killed people with certain pollical afflictions. Get out there and talk to people. I can take take you to countless people that aren't Republican's who refuse the vaccine. I can see the conversation take place right now. Baptist: I know you're dying of covid, do you know where you'll spend eternity? Doctor: I know you're dying of covid, if you voted Democrat you wouldn't be dying right now.
    2 points
  26. I used to go a lot but not much anymore. Especially, because I live in the sticks now. Street preaching or even door to door is not for everyone, IMO. Everyone should find the best way for them to get out the gospel.
    2 points
  27. The truth is none of these Presidents should be signing this many Executed Orders but the reality is it's because Congress is a bunch of do nothings. I know from Roman history the Republic collapsed into a dictatorship because the Roman Senate stopped doing their job and let Caesar take over.
    2 points
  28. I hear crickets.
    2 points
  29. Amazing....I'm amazed that the author foresaw Biden sign executive orders way back then.
    2 points
  30. Also a 12 page booklet entitled "God's Way of Forgiveness for Your Sins" that I have compiled myself and that our church has printed by Bethel Baptist Print Ministry in London, Ontario. This booklet contains two primary sections: I. The first five pages - God's Way of Forgiveness for Your Sins (with the following subpoints, and corresponding passages typed out) 1. You must believe the truth of God's Word that you need God's forgiveness for your sins. You must acknowledge that you have sinned against God. You must acknowledge that you deserve God's judgment. You must acknowledge that you cannot save yourself. 2. You must believe the truth of God's Word that God the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, is the only way of forgiveness and salvation -- through His shed blood, sacrificial death, and glorious resurrection. You must believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for you and for your sins and sinfulness. You must believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is God the Son, and that He rose again from the dead. You must believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the one and only way of forgiveness and salvation from your sins. You must believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can and will save you from your sins. 3. You must obey the commandment of God's Word to believe and call upon God the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, as your personal Savior from sin. You must personally choose from you heart to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Savior. You must personally and purposefully call in faith from your heart unto the Lord Jesus Christ, asking Him to save you from your sins. You should call upon the Lord Jesus Christ in faith and receive Him as your personal Savior right now. (After a few corresponding passages to the last truth, a "Sample Prayer" is included along with the following note: "This prayer is not magical. If you do not mean this prayer from your heart, it will do you no good.") II. The sixth page - My Decision for Christ (An explanation that the decision to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as personal Savior makes one a child of God. A place to record their spiritual birth date. And some corresponding passages to the above truth.) III. The seventh through tenth page - Counsels to The New Born Child of God (with the following subpoints, and corresponding passages typed out) 1. Know that you have eternal life and that you are secure forever in the Lord's hand. 2. Joyfully obey your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in being baptized Biblically as a believer. 3. Give yourself as a living sacrifice to your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to live your life wholly for Him. 4. Speak to your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ every day in prayer. 5. Read from and meditate on the Word of God every day. 6. Faithfully obey the counsels and commands that your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ gives to you from His Word (the Bible). 7. Attend a Biblically faithful church (a church that preaches, teaches, and stand for the truth of God's Word) whenever it has services. 8. Confess your sins in prayer to the Lord and ask His forgiveness, whenever you disobey the counsels and commands of His Word. 9. Tell others how the Lord Jesus Christ saved you from your sins, and seek to lead them to receive Him as their personal Savior also. IV. The eleventh page - An invitation to Melvin Baptist Church. V. The twelfth page - a blank page. _____________________________ Front Cover
    2 points
  31. Yes, but anyone who is a threat to the reset will lose their rights aka be persecuted. There were other groups that suffered along with Christians during the times of persecution. The Muslims killed Christian, Jew, Hindu, pagan and the wrong type of Muslim alike throughout history. The Papists were butchering Jews, Christians, pagans and even Catholics who opposed their "overreach" or whose property they wanted. The Communists treat everyone fairly and murdered everyone equally. When the Antichrist shows up he won't persecute only believers. There will, IMO, be people who will not submit to his authority but who are also not believers.
    2 points
  32. This right here is the best line. It stands alone in its value and importance for every believer.
    1 point
  33. No doubt conditioning for the mark. To weed out the troublemakers now. Also, to bring in a Social Credit Score which China demands. I'm a huge Buffalo Bills fan and I've been watching closely to what will happen since some of the members of the team have been the most vocal against the vaccine. I know a fascist Eerie county bureaucrat tried mandating a vaccine passport for the stadium but lost that battle surprisedly because the Mob Boss governor Cuomo put the quash on it. No doubt the Don has connections the little county dictator doesn't want to cross.
    1 point
  34. You probably will have to search for them on Amazon. I am sure they are all out of print. You should be able to find used ones at a moderate price.
    1 point
  35. This is not the same, BB, and you know it well. You, once again, are trying to compare apples with oranges. Get real.
    1 point
  36. Thank you for sharing your story and your struggles. I'm praying for you Brother Lance!
    1 point
  37. I fully agree. In my own personal case, I can't always be there because of balance issues, vertigo, etc. It would help if my church would have their services online. As it is, we do not, though my pastor has told me that he would. He's not reaching many people who need to be reached because of this. Case in point, there are several in assisted care facilities or nursing homes that would like to have the services online. They, like me, have to watch other churches services, and that tends to somehow breed an air of discontentment. Not in me, but in many of the others. They can't get to the services, period, and we haven't been able to have any services in many of the facilities lately for well known reasons.
    1 point
  38. Your statement (‘how many people’) implied a lot of examples. That article is about one man who supposedly (he himself is not quoted) changed his mind, and it’s shared by one of the big media groups we know is lying to us. I would take that article with a very large grain of salt. nonetheless, you implied many people. Where are these many people? Do you personally know any of them? I just gave you 77 examples of people that have not changed their mind after contracting Covid. I see your one (maybe) and raise you 76.
    1 point
  39. You 120% missed the whole point I was making because you keep assuming what my intent is or it's because I'm a dumb poster, I'll try to increase my skills. lol Please re-read. You replied to me about the effectiveness of the vaccine and that was not anything near what I referring to. I don't know how we can have a conversation when your answers are nothing to do with the question. My point is when the answer to the effectiveness of the vaccines has to do with aliens and men on the moon, then you don't have an answer and it confuses people to the point of not trusting authorities.
    1 point
  40. @SureWord, Forever changing Fauci, and Government hugging Gates are two reasons I don't trust the vaccine, and probably never will. It's going to take a lot more HARD PROOF for my family to accept the vaccine, not just government threats.
    1 point
  41. The value of the vaccine has been clearly shown. In my state in 2021 there have been no COVID deaths of people who were vaccinated. All COVID deaths are people who were unvaccinated. In June alone 92 Marylanders died of COVID ... all were unvaccinated. In Texas 99.5 of all deaths since the vaccine became available have been unvaccinated people. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/21/coronavirus-texas-vaccinated-deaths/ I could give you more, but the picture is the same. Also you are wrong. The vaccines are not experimental. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines/corrected-fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-experimental-and-they-have-not-skipped-trial-stages-idUSL1N2M70MW The pandemic could be controlled if people would just get their vaccinations. It is totally irresponsible not to do so, IMHO. I'd say they are poor scientists. We will always have poor scientists among us. Irresponsibility we will have with us always. I watched the video and realize they are fake news scientists. The facts have become overwhelming.
    1 point
  42. I only personally know of two individuals who caught the Wu-Flu one was my nephew's wife. She felt "down" for two days. Apparently, she was a hardcore mask wearer too. My barber's son got it and he had mild like flu symptoms for three days. Other than that I received about 2-3 emails from school of people who got it, all staff members, but never heard anything after that like they were hospitalized or dead. I never heard of any students contracting the Wu. Now, I'm not denying it's real but I would think a "deadly pandemic" would be more noticeable around me. When the Spanish Flu hit America it could be seen all around. You didn't need the news to tell you it was there. Meh...I'll eat at home. That restaurant is going to struggle to stay open with that policy.
    1 point
  43. 1 point
  44. You don't get it, do you Bill? Conservatives like me no longer believe the GOP anymore than we do the Democrats. How much support did Jeb Bush get from voters? Zippo. That's why Trump was nominated. He was an outsider who was not part of the Uniparty. You're way of thinking and analyzing the political climate is antiquated. It died with George Bush and the RINOS. As far as the "GDP" which nobody cares about nor do they really understand, all I can say is after Trump was elected jobs started cropping up in my area that hadn't been there in almost 20 years. Even the power plant started hiring trainees which they hadn't done EVER. The school I drive for starting giving out bonuses again which hadn't happen in 11 years. So you keep reading the cooked GDP charts and I'll watch for the real deal around me.
    1 point
  45. Brother Tony like probably most people on here I can certainly relate to your situation. My father and younger brother both seem to have no interest in salvation whatsoever. When my mother and laws brother died to my surprise my father called me. This is a man who isn't good at showing emotion or expressing feelings but on this night he was hurt and looking for a reason these terrible things happen. That was the only chance I've ever had to talk about Jesus with him and his mind was open hoping my faith could make sense of a tragic death. I embraced the moment and shared the Gospel without holding anything back. His heart was being pricked for answers and I tried my best to answer them biblically. I don't know if that night had any spiritual effect on my father because like I said he just doesn't discuss things like that. He's getting up there in age and pray with all my heart that at some point he has surrendered his life to our Lord and Savior. While my father would probably fall into the agnostic category my brother and his wife consider themselves Pagan followers of the Norse God Odin. My brothers Facebook profile picture says "I'd rather be a wolf of Odin than a Lamb of God". Despite my brothers beliefs he has never been hostile towards mine but his wife made it very clear to me once that "my Christian God" wasn't welcome in their home. My brother and I hardly see each just from being busy with life but it makes it nearly impossible to talk about the Lord when his wife is there to counteract. My brother has always been my best friend and we were closer than most siblings could imagine so it breaks my heart to not be able to reach him with the Gospel. My mother used to attend church many years ago but it was a Church of God (Anderson, IN.) congregation that is Wesley- Arminian in theology and do a poor job at presenting the Gospel because their beliefs have slowly allowed progressive and social theology drastically change the message they started out with. I have never seen my mother pray or even read the Bible...not once. She doesn't talk about her faith but when she does her beliefs are not biblical or severely distorted. The problem with talking about the Gospel with her is that she thinks she already knows everything and as long as she's a "good person" heaven awaits. I wish I could help by giving you advice about talking to your family but I unfortunately have the same problem myself. It's easier for me to walk up to complete stranger and start a conversation to purposely be a able share the Gospel, but my family just refuses to talk about or in mom's case has made up her own view of the bible and not open to other interpretation.
    1 point
  46. Well my friend, you miss the point which is that you don't know the science. If you did, you wouldn't be on the business end. Thanks but I prefer unadulterated facts that aren't provided by government or big pharma whom profit in human misery.
    1 point
  47. I have street preached many times. I live in the suburbs so street preaching really isn't that effective here, but when I do (It's been a while), I take a quick drive to either NYC or Boston. We've had some good results...like anything though we aren't doing it for results, but rather following God's command to go out and preach.
    1 point
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