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  1. 3 points
    Alrighty then. This thread is going to be locked as soon as I'm done posting this. And I think you'll understand why... MJW has brought to this thread nonsense spewed on David Icke's forum. David Icke is a conspiracy theorist (please understand, I'm not against every "conspiracy theory" because the devil really is out to get us) who is anti-Israel, believes shape-shifting lizards control the earth, parallel universes, that he is a son of the godhead, had an illegitimate child from his wife-approved relationship with a psychic (his wife renamed herself Michaela, you know - from the archangel Michael). I could go on and on, but I don't need to. The fact remains that the nonsense listed in this thread appears on his official forum. I'm leaving the thread intact simply for educational purposes. However, to the reader of this forum: please be advised that what MJW has said and posted in this thread is not biblical. @John Young, if you'd like to comment, let me know. I'll be glad to unlock it for your comment, since you are the originator of the thread.
  2. 3 points
    Why would you come to a site expecting to get banned for your behavior? That is... not a sign of mature behavior.
  3. 3 points
    Nup nup nup - sorry, but this has no basis in scripture. You have twisted those passages in order to present something that is, once again, not in the passage. You are reading into the passage what you want in it. You are not reading from the passage what is already in it.
  4. 3 points
    The KJV has absolutely no indication that the account of the rich man and Lazarus was a dream in any way. It is stated as a factual, real event experienced personally by these two men.
  5. 2 points
    Woody

    Reformers Unanimous

    Y'all ask about RU. I went there for about 22 months. While I can't personally speak to the financial cost, they were founded as a reaction against AA-type programs. On the surface, RU points at addictions, but then they go deeper, to the spiritual need. Whether the problem is drink, drugs, or something else, it is not talked about - only the student's relationship to Christ. The local chapters meet on Friday nights because that is the only time someone in bondage has any money in his pocket. It is extremely liberating to wake up on Saturday morning with 100% of your paycheck in your own pocket. Because of that, other evenings are not as successful. Their success rate six months out of the program is over 80%. AA has a success rate on day of completion of around 9%. I think numbers should count for something here. Would I do it again? Probably not for myself, but I would definitely recommend the program for others.
  6. 2 points
    DaveW

    DaveW: Here's some encouragement for you

    Can we add another one to this? The internet theologian!
  7. 2 points
    HappyChristian

    Hubs in the hospital...

    I hadn't posted an update on Facebook for a while until this morning. Some of it is a repeat of the previous post, but here it is: A few weeks ago, the doctor cleared Randy to go back to work. He had already been back to preaching, but now would need to go back to home health aid. We were not thrilled with this, because we know how much pain he's in (well, I know from observation, he from - obviously - experience). The first week there were some issues that seemed like would end up with his losing his workman's comp. We know that if that had happened, God would take care...briefly summed it was because he had been released for light/moderate duty, but even the light duty was too much. He had three days with 1 shift each day, 1 1/2 hour each. Sounds easy peasy, right? Well, he had just gotten to the point where he was sleeping at night for maybe 3 hours at a shot before pain woke him. The night after his first shift was not horrible, but it wasn't as well as the previous nights had been. The second night was worse, and he woke in the morning for his third shift with his foot so swollen (this was after propping it the rest of the previous day and night) he could hardly get his shoe on. Yet he still went to work. So...he had to see the doctor again. He wanted me to go in with him, to make sure that he remembered everything he wanted to discuss. Upshot of the visit was that the doc limited him to two 1 1/2 hour shifts per week. While that is still difficult for him, it is much better than the 3 shifts. So he's done two weeks like that, and heading into his third week. The doctor had also referred him to a neurologist for his foot. And the doc told Randy that it's very likely that he has neuropathy (which is not curable)...and that this is quite likely his "new normal." He has an appointment for June 26 He still isn't driving, so my mom and I take turns bringing him to work - and finding something to do in town so we don't have to drive home and go back. =D Just this morning, as he was walking to his chair, he was limping badly. I asked him if he was ok...he was having some intense surges of pain. He had to get to his chair and sit before he fell. The surges of pain are one big reason he isn't driving right now. And they are intensely painful. It bothers him that he can't get outside and putter with things - like mowing the lawn. Our son has come and done some mowing, and my wonderful sister and her boyfriend spent 4 hours (that's a total of 8 hours...) this past Saturday mowing and weed eating - and they weren't able to finish it all! Not because they weren't working like lunatics, but because there's just so much to do! Randy feels guilty about not being out there (I know, and he knows, there isn't anything he can do about it, but there it is...). So there's that. And he is a bit frustrated at not being able to be out knocking on doors for church. It's something that he has always loved doing, and now cannot do. At the same time, he knows that God is in control - and he is looking forward to God working in our lives and in our church. And he is enjoying the extra time to study. Me? I'm concerned greatly. He has several health issues that can be life-threatening. I'm praying for a miracle. A miracle that, even if he has neuropathy, our Great Physician will heal him. I can't really put into words all that is in my heart. But I would ask that you join me in praying for that miracle. Thank you for continuing to pray for my Randy.
  8. 2 points
    I don't think anyone is suggesting you be banned...... yet. Jerry has responded to your sarcasm and aggressive tone. I will say that we don't often take to kindly to people arriving here and taking it upon themselves to "teach" their pet doctrines. What we do like is people who want to join our community and discuss - not argue about things. But you are drawing some hugely long bows and making some strange interpretations and then telling us that we don't believe what the Bible says. But you haven't really introduced yourself properly and you haven't entered into any general "get to know you" type conversations. Hang for a while. Get to know is and help us to get to know you. THEN join the discussions and DISCUSS rather than just argue.
  9. 2 points
    You genuinely have no idea about proper Biblical interpretation....... You make the Scripture fit with your ideas. That is wrong. Part of this problem stems from you not being a part of a church but instead getting your teaching from people you don't know and who don't know nor care about you. There is a reason why God made churches.
  10. 2 points
    That was your reply/response/question to John's following quotation... Why can't it simply refer to Mary's womb? It can't, because it's referring to the fact that BEFORE Christ ascended to heaven, he first descended into the lower parts of the earth to set free those who were kept in Abraham's bosom. No it isn't. You may want to do a word study on what all "the lowest parts of the earth" can (and does) refer to. However, I will tell you this...not once does "womb" get mentioned. No it doesn't. The word "pit" refers to the current situation that they had "dug themselves into". They were in a bad situation due to their rebelliousness. They had dug themselves into a pit. Read the previous chapter, and you'll clearly see why it refers to their situation and NOT to a mother's womb. That has nothing to do with physical sleep, nor does it have anything to do with physical death...both are referring to spiritual truths. The lost are "asleep" in their lack of concern for salvation...they are dead in their trespasses and sins. However, Christ will give them light if they will see their situation and turn to the truth of the gospel. Let me ask you a question. When the Bible says that Christ is the cornerstone of the church, does that mean that he's literally a large stone that was set as the corner of a building? Jerry has already answered you on this, but I would like to ask you to read the next two verses. They explain what is meant by "the dead knowing nothing"...which Jerry explained. The clue to what this verse means is...in the verse itself. You should have underlined and emboldened the word "because"...because there's the meaning. Due to the fact that our life span on earth is like a shadow, we know "nothing". Read the previous verses and following verses. Job is imploring to seek wisdom from the fathers. It is fascinating; on that, I can agree. However, those are all Old Testament passages which show how God spoke to men at times back then.
  11. 1 point
    Yeah, I couldn't resist that one. And I just love that his name is "Dollar" anyway......
  12. 1 point
    Joel thinks you're #1...twice!!!
  13. 1 point
    The bloke on the right has indigestion. The one in the middle just heard one of the other two break wind and is waiting for the odour to hit. Martin Short could very well be chanting DaveW, but it is a bit hard to get your tongue around in that setting - more likely just "Davo, Davo, Davo".....
  14. 1 point
  15. 1 point
    Martin short - same smile!
  16. 1 point
    Is that Martin Short?? He is a versatile actor. Very underrated.
  17. 1 point
    DaveW

    I Love My King James Bible

    Note - I couldn't figure out how to post from the other thread to here, so I quote his first post and edited the text with that from the other thread. This explains the incorrect time stamp. Now then: I went looking for their online church and did not find any such thing. In fact as far as I can tell the two men are nor associated and it seems like one of them is dead. And neither of them are running an on line church. I didn't spend huge time searching, so there is a possibility I am wrong, but that is what I have found. So the truth of the matter is that you don't go to any church, but you do find preachers that you like to listen to. 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; That what it seems like to me. Show us that I am wrong please.
  18. 1 point
    Wow, another pure nutter! Go spew your poison and filth somewhere else. This website is for true Bible believers to fellowship on and those who are truly seeking salvation to come here and find answers to their sincere questions - not for wackos to invent their own brand of new age science fiction. Though I will admit, this is the most original demonic type of heresies I have ever heard online.
  19. 1 point
    So...you didn't read the next two verses then? We can all be one-verse ponies if we want. Here's one for you...after reading this, I would expect that you... 1. Don't touch anything 2. Don't eat or drink anything 3. Don't use your hands for anything Colossians 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; There it is in black and white. It says what it says. Do you believe it?
  20. 1 point
    They were there because they were still held captive by sin, in a sense. It was sin that prevented them from you directly going to heaven with God, until Christ’s sacrifice for sin was complete. Is that captivity – of sin — that Christ had victory over.
  21. 1 point
    Didn't "someone" here have a nervous-jerkdown and whine about someone bearing false-witness against him? Yet, you wrongly accuse me by insinuating my words allude to this silliness? How about an actual link to the book and author so that we can see where you're deriving your information. Are you a Jehovah's Witness or Seventh Day Adventist?
  22. 1 point
    What?? That is a ridiculous suggestion to make. I know you’re trying to make a (wrong) point, but please don’t butcher interpretation on purpose. Abraham was one of the righteous dead. If our interpretation is correct, then he too had to wait for Jesus’ work of salvation to be complete in order to go to heaven. That means he was waiting in Hades too. Abraham is referenced in the Bible as being the father of those that believe through faith. As such, and especially as that period of waiting took place when his descendants the Jews were the vast majority of the righteous dead, it makes sense that he would be referred to with a position of… Leadership? honor? Either could be implied by that reference. Finally, whenever the Bible refers to someone’s bosom in that way, it’s always talking of a place of care and protection - never of captivity.
  23. 1 point
    I wonder, since you have been back on here at half an hour if you wouldn't mind answering my question in your intro please? I am interested in the answers there. Thanks. Can I just say, personally your attitude doesn't seem great. You are using language which is not respectful and which has an aggressive tone to it. Can I suggest that you tone it back and speak with a little more reserve and respect?
  24. 1 point
    Aaaahhhh- actually they are in this case. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to suggest the rich man nor Lazarus was either asleep or dreaming in the passage. This a concept that you have entirely imposed onto the passage, for it is not found in the passage.
  25. 1 point
    Sorry, but Jesus didn't say, "And, as he slept, he dreamed that he was in Hell and this is what he went through..." Nope. He said, "And in Hell, he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence." Nowhere in that passage, neither before, during, nor after, does Christ mention anything about a dream. As you've quoted from several scriptures, when someone is dreaming, God makes it clear. What is clear in Luke is that the conscious rich man awoke in Hell. In torment. Not in a nightmare. In eternity.
  26. 1 point
    heartstrings

    Rough Times

    Well we got the bad news. The medical bills of the injured party far exceeded the maximum on our liability insurance. We are waiting on the demand letter to come now. Not only that, I forgot to mention that I was hurt the very same night with a massive rotator cuff tear on my right shoulder when I fell off the equipment trailer., Can't lift my hand above head level. I made it through the MRI but still have not been scheduled for surgery. It takes so long between scheduling for tests and dr visits. The dr wants to do a total shoulder replacement but I don't want that.
  27. 1 point
    Jim_Alaska

    Jesus

    I do not think it wrong to refer to Him either way. I posted the Scripture as this was the way that God, the Holy Spirit chose to introduce Him to the world. I also think that referring to Him by only the name Jesus or by His name as well as His title mostly depends on how He being spoken of. For instance, when speaking of Him as the Messiah it would be entirely correct to use His name and title in full, but also not wrong to refer to Him as Jesus. So, in our writing or speech how we depict Him and who we depict Him as could be the determining factor.
  28. -1 points
    Right... In other words, Abraham was this evil tyrant who kept prisoners in his bosom. Jesus had to rescue them. Lol... this is another interpretation I completely disagree with. I see many of you don't even bother to see how much twisting of Scripture had to be done to come up with that one. Seriously... meditate on what you are saying. BTW... Everything that is being posted here are merely opinions. We are all entitled to them. Romans 3:4 "God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged" If you folks think Sleep and Dreams have nothing to do with each other, hey that's your business. I think they do. When the Word of God says the dead sleep, I believe it.
  29. -1 points
    Such denial I see in this thread. Seems many of you are offended by the Word of God. To take such a beautiful notion of a baby forming in the womb and dumbing it all down and stripping it of any creative process is telling. All because the idea of Hell being related to the Womb are offensive to you. Thus a great effort is made to change this into something palatable. We aren't talking 'elements formed long ago', we are talking about the formation of a Human Being... WROUGHT, pret. and pp. of work. raut. 1. Worked; formed by work or labor; as wrought iron. BTW... The Book is DNA. Long before Man discovered that DNA was a book in which all of our Members are written, the Bible had it all laid out in specific detail... So Jesus never said the dead are sleeping? Uh, OK?
  30. -1 points
    These two notions are not mutually exclusive. Again, the dead are sleeping. Sleeping implies dreaming. Nowhere in the Bible does it say "There were two compartments in Hell". See? I can play that game too.
  31. -1 points
    John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world" Oh look. We come from 'beneath'. I know, I know. I'm not allowed to take that verse literal because it's too uncomfortable to think about right? So let's here everyone's version of "a better translation would have been". Or how about "what Jesus really meant to say was".
  32. -1 points
    His explanation was false in my humble opinion. Both dead and alive 'know nothing' which means this is not about worldly affairs. It's about all being ignorant until the Day of the Lord comes. Do you know what the word Shadow means in Scripture? Hint... Hebrews 8:5 "Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount" It is a three dimensional representation of a fourth dimensional construct. New Jerusalem is in the shape of a Tessaract BTW...
  33. -1 points
    The 'Captive' is all of Mankind, beginning with the Fetus. Jesus descends into the Wombs of many pregnant Mothers and gives gifts and preaches to them... Ephesians 4:11 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers" This is what is meant by preaching to those in prison. Paul specifically mentions this fact in the very first verse... Ephesians 4:1 "I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called" Here we see another example of this preaching to the prisoners... Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" The above verse matches with Ephesians 4:11.
  34. -1 points
    I appreciate the feedback Salyan. I should mention that I believe that the saved still go to Abraham's Bosom. It hasn't been emptied yet. In fact, if I may be so bold as to post something that many here will find shocking, I believe Abraham's Bosom is described in the Book of Revelation. The Twenty Four Elders are Abraham's ribs. The Throne is his Heart. The saved await there to become Born Again. Something like this... Sorry if my graphics are crude. It's the best I can do. Perhaps Pastor Mike can explain it better... (Removed by moderator)
  35. -1 points
    No wait... Check this out, I have something special to show you in response to this... This may not answer your question, but it is related. We all know that the Temple is the Body right? Look what happens when we compare the Tabernacle in the Wilderness to a Biological Cell... It's a perfect match!!!
  36. -1 points
    Some more context in support of the 'child in the Womb' thesis... Ephesians 4:14-16 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love." See that? The context of the verses are referring to Children becoming Born Again.
  37. -1 points
    Sure it does. The 'Belly' of the 'Whale' is Hell... Jonah 2:2 "And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice" Belly and Hell go hand in hand. It's the Bibles way of teaching adult subject matter similar to how the tale of the stork is told about where babies come from. Jonah was a picture of being saved before birth... Jonah 2:6 "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God."
  38. -1 points
    Now link it to this... Matthew 12:40 "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" 'Belly' and 'Heart of the Earth' are synonymous. The 'Heart' is inside of the unborn Child inside of the Earthly Mother. The Heart is also the Throne. Jesus went there to preach.
  39. -1 points
    Sorry you feel that way Jerry. I've spent years studying these things and many have found them to be a blessing. OK then, I guess this is where I get banned. Before I go I just want to share one last slide with you all... I wish I could have spent more time with you folks. Take care.
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