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  1. 4 points

    The Elect Lady of II John

    Again, I know of no historical precedent that would forbid men speaking/writing to women. If you have evidence for this, I would be interested in seeing it. It is not inappropriate for a man to write a woman (although in some circumstances it may be inadvisable), either now or back then, and it certainly is no evidence of an illicit relationship. That's like teenage foolishness - "They're talking! They must like each other!" Since you seem to be speaking from present day assumptions rather than historical conditions, I would like to clarify that it's just plain rude (and occasionally discriminatory) for a man to refuse to communicate directly with a woman based on her gender. I agree that if there was a husband present, it would be more appropriate to include both of them in the letter; however, if the husband was unsaved, it would make sense why he was excluded. If this was a single lady, she is presumably an adult and capable of monitoring her own behavior and communication without requiring some kind of middleman.
  2. 3 points
    No Nicolaitans

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    I've been sitting back admiring the posts. We've had some doozies on this board, but I think Shoostie is the top doozie... He pulled the moderator card, but when confronted with his error...crickets were chirping. He pulled the "no evidence" card when evidence was given...countless times. He pulled the "I'm right; you're wrong" card...countless times...but provided no evidence as to why he is/was right other than the "I said so" card. He ignored "the COMMONWEALTH of Israel" quote from DaveW...which makes me wonder if he's familiar with its meaning. He ignores the mountain of evidence against Hovind that's available from Alan and elsewhere. He ignores...well, we get the picture. He's right...because he's right. He doesn't have to prove it; we just have to accept it. Perhaps he's a good candidate for my "Nonsense Church" based on Colossians 2:21? Sorry to be so gruff...but Shoostie is a doozie... Carry on...
  3. 2 points
    John Young

    Pastoring involves?

    Its a good topic and one I would probably follow but not one that I would be dogmatic about or really contribute a lot to as being commanded or not commanded or necessary or not necessary. As the command to take the oversight and to "feed the flock" are exceedingly broad and general but direct and encompassing a lot of things that would not necessarily be covered in detail but would make something not mentioned directly necessary as needed for the well-being of that particular flock. Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 1 Peter 5:1-4 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 2 feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
  4. 2 points
    In most places, even non-profits have to be incorporated. If you can find an incorporation certificate, that might confirm it. Otherwise, you could try calling your state/county office responsible for non-profit/society/church registrations, and see if you can find out exactly what kind of organization your church is registered as. They would probably be able to direct you to appropriate Acts or statutes that govern what to do in this situation. Combining that with Jim's suggestion of finding out who holds the mortgage should give you a pretty good start! If you're closing down, and the widow needs support, are you considering giving her some of the proceeds (if you're legally allowed to sell them)?
  5. 2 points

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    The official court indictment clearly states "missionaries" and adds that they were "employees" at CSE under the authority of Kent Hovind. But, Shoostie says "they weren't his employees" on one post and on his Sunday (September 15, 2019), post says that the employees at CSE were "contractors." Who is lying? or trying to deceive? Are the Federal prosecutors lying or in deception? Or, is Shoostie lying or is being deceptive? As far as as I am concerned, Shootsie is an unreliable witness, has been deceptive in his previous answers, deliberately ignored clear scriptural truth. so, I believe that Federal prosecutors are telling the truth and not Shoostie nor Kent Hovind.
  6. 2 points

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    (Deleted photo) Um, heartstrings, I think you may have put this in the wrong thread? Can you delete it and move it to the appropriate forum? (or better yet, let's let this topic die a quick death. It's incredibly distasteful).
  7. 2 points

    Why Large Families?

    I am finding this juxtaposition in assumptions rather amusing. The moderator did moderate you, and you responded rudely and dismissively. On this board, we expect our members to treat each other with respect. Please confine yourself to discussing the matter at hand without ad hominem attacks. Now, BACK TO TOPIC. Any further discussion/comments on any subject other than large families will result in this thread being locked.
  8. 2 points

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    As I have mentioned before; I have been to Mr. Hovind's creation museum, in Pensacola, at which time I was deeply disturbed to see images of the "Loch Ness Monster", "Mokele Mbembe" and other dubious crypto stuff as "proofs" for whatever it was he was trying to prove. When one is trying to preach Truth, that's just not a good idea, to say the least. I also, there, heard with my own ears Mr. Hovind complaining about "taxes". Mr. Hovind needs to repent and get his act together, like all of us do.
  9. 2 points

    Wife Spanking

    Can you possibly insert a "moderator's statement" at the head of the thread about it not being the view of the board, but a poster who was banned for his unbiblical views? I think I agree that it should stay - it is part of the history.......
  10. 2 points

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    I will give one lie at this time. Once we discussed this lie we can go onto the next. If you refuse to acknowledge this lie, or not be honest, nor sincere, in your answer, than I will decide what to do next. Based on your previous avoidance of telling the truth, nor acknowledged the truth that was presented, I need to take some precautions in dealing with you. In my March 11, 2019 post I stated, "But, he knowingly failed to pay taxes on his employees at his creation museum at Pensacola, and called his employees, students from PCC, 'missionaries.' The employees at that “Creation Science Evangelism Enterprises" hereafter known as 'CSE 'were not missionaries; most of them were students and all of them did work as an employee in a business. The CSE was a business and the IRS, and the Pensacola Court, rightly treated it as a business. Also, in my September 16, 2019 posting in this thread, the Pensacola Court document, 'Section H,' Kent Hovind told the lie that the employees were missionaries to the Federal authorities and was included in the indictment. Below is the copy Section H in the indictment: KENT E. HOVIND, did corruptly endeavor to obstruct and impede the due administration of the internal revenue laws by acts which include the following: a. Filing a petition for bankruptcy, and falsely listing the IRS as his only creditor, for the sole purpose of discharging this debt and forcing the IRS to release seized property; b. Filing a false and frivolous lawsuit against the IRS in which he demanded damages for criminal trespass and other false allegations during the IRS execution of a lawful court-issued search warrant; c. Filing a complaint for a preliminary injunction against an investigation IRS special agent and the Commissioner of the IRS; d. Making threats of harm to those investigating him and to those who may consider cooperating with their investigation; e. Filing a false complaint against investigating IRS agents with the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration; f. Filing a criminal complaint against investigating IRS special agents falsely alleging, among other things, false arrest, false imprisonment, excessive use of force, and theft or property; g. Destroying records; and, h. Paying his employees in cash and labeling them “missionaries” rather than employees to avoid payroll tax and Federal Insurance Contributions Act requirements. All in violation of Title, United States Code, Section 7212(a). Again, the employees of CSE were not, repeat, missionaries. This lie is a public shame and Kent Hovind deliberately called his employees missionaries in order to avoid paying taxes.
  11. 2 points

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    Oh so the dictionary quote is wrong? So now, the Bible is wrong, my experience is wrong, God is wrong, and the dictionary is wrong, but you are right because you say so. And you still have not done this board the basic courtesy of introducing yourself properly in the intro section, just the way that every false teacher who has come to this site has refused to do for the past couple of years. Unsupported accusations...... You really are unbelievable. He supported everything with official documents. You have supported nothing (in any discussion on this board by the way), and you whole argument appears to based on "I'm right and you're wrong" and nothing else. And you still refuse to give this board the basic courtesy of a proper introduction in the intro section, just like every other event false teacher...
  12. 2 points

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    I understand the purely 'statutory' laws of the United States that Kent Hovind knowingly, and deliberately, broke. If you would have read carefully my March 11, 2015 post that you ignored, you would have understood that the most serious of Hovind's sins was not against the laws of the United States, but against the Holiness and Righteous commands as set forth in the scriptures. Kent Hovind miss-used the office of a minister of God, miss-used the leadership of the husband, was not faithful in the work of God, was a liar, a deceiver, and was not blameless in the sight of God nor in the sight of man. Kent Hovind was not, repeat, was not, fighting for religious freedom in my eyes. In my eyes Kent Hovind was fighting against the laws of the United States. Whether or not we agree with those laws is a separate debate, but, as long as the tax laws, and other laws Kent is fighting against, is on the books of the laws of the United States of America than he must obey them. If Kent Hovind is a 'sovereign' citizen, and does not want to get a 'Wedding Certificate' and wants to destroy the blessings of God that God has bestowed us in the United States than it is my hope that he leaves the United States and finds some other country to spew out his venomous hatred towards the United States. For those on this board who know me personally, they understand that I was a firm follower of Kent Hovind before he lied, deceived, started to speak against the United States, and changed his doctrinal beliefs concerning prophetic doctrine. I have seen other Christians, in communist China, persecuted by a totalitarian government. And, in small way, have personally experienced persecution in China. So, in my heart, it pains me to see, or even hear, a Christian being persecuted by a Government official. But, in my understanding, and I have studied the issue, Kent Hovind is the cause of his legal and family problems and is not suffering for the cause of Christ nor religious freedom.
  13. 2 points
    Next matter then....... (And note that I am not changing because I cannot answer you, I am changing because YOU WILL NOT answer the previous points.) Genesis 17 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. note 9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. 10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. note 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. God made an EVERLASTING COVENANT that the lan would be an EVERLASTING POSESSION. I hope the everlasting life that God promises is not like your idea of an everlasting covenant - one that can be broken and is therefore not actually everlasting. I hope everlasting life is JUST LIKE God's everlasting promises - IT LASTS FOREVER..... So then - if it was given as an everlasting covenant then the people MUST still exist or it has failed and WAS NEVER everlasting in the first place. Explain how it is that your position makes God liar, but you still think you are right and....... God is wrong?!?!?!?! And OF COURSE you still have not done this board the basic courtesy of properly introducing yourself in the intro section, which is a glaring commonality with the false teachers who come to this forum to cause trouble.
  14. 2 points
    Go to a Title company and ask these questions of them. They can guide you through the process and will certainly find out who is on both the deed and mortgage. Someone is paying the mortgage and is most likely the responsible party that would be due any overage after any sale is made. You cannot sell without going through either a Realtor or Title company, so it is best to start there. Another thing to think about is that banks do not lend money for mortgages without someone to guarantee the loan, their name, or names will be on record with the county and the bank. The name or names on the record of the deed will be the actual owners of the property. The church business meeting minutes should record vital information in regard what was done in relation to the church property and when it was done. Names of people would also be on the minutes.
  15. 1 point


    Every single forum I have ever joined has had a policy of "introduce yourself" before you get stuck into the discussions. In some, it is actually necessary to have an introduction post before you can post in any other section. Is this possible with this forum software? I understand that this is something brother Matt will probably have to address personally, but maybe a bit of discussion about it? Introductions are kinda important I think. And of course it may not even be possible under this platform, so it might all be moot.
  16. 1 point

    Pastoring involves?

    "Pastor" means "feeder" A feeder is to "oversee". 1 Peter 5 Lead by "ensample" (example). with an exemplary life which includes loving people.. 1 Peter 5 His "feed" should be nothing but the Word of God, clean and unadulterated. He should "disciple" by spending time with people.. He should also be mindful of the temptation to "lord" over others.. Luke 22: 25-27
  17. 1 point

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    I don't know about over there, but here the ride sharing companies (those that use people with private cars as taxis) and several other companies have been prosecuted for trying to claim that their drivers are contractor to whom they don't have to pay benefits and for whom they don't have to pay taxes. They were wrong too, and they are not religious, therefore not being religiously persecuted.
  18. 1 point

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    I've heard of employers calling their employees "Independent contractors" in order to avoid having to pay stuff like matching FICA and workman's comp insurance. Never researched it myself because I don't have employees. This should shed some light on what's legal and what ain't. https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/independent-contractor-defined
  19. 1 point

    Hovind Hypocrisy

  20. 1 point
  21. 1 point

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    Enough. Shoostie, you will treat the other members of this board with respect. Regarding the original subject, I have to say that while I don't agree with all Hovind's ideas (particularly the comet/ice age one), I absolutely believe that Mokele Mbembe and the Loch Ness Monster are/were real creatures. (They could both be extinct by now.) There are too many solid historical accounts of water monsters in the lochs for there to have been nothing there. I also like the accounts of pterodactyls nesting in an old Welsh castle, and migrating inland for storms, or of the thunderbirds/pterodactyls on the Pacific coast and American Southwest. The book 'After the Flood', although more focused on genealogy than dragon sightings, has some incredible accounts gleaned from medieval records.
  22. 1 point
    John Young

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    Hovind can talk and spin his case to the point of people disregarding the evidence as frivolous: of his Federal conviction The evidence of his infidelity to both wives, the great struggle of his wife and sons trying to help him get right. I defended him as well in his federal convictions because I believed him but when I looked into the events surrounding his wife and Son Eric in trying to help him I realized he was being manipulative to his and other Christians own hurt. Shoostie, you are only hurting yourself and showing your ignorance by believing the spin that Kent Hovind has spoon fed you. I still like Kent but he needs help.
  23. 1 point

    Wife Spanking

    I'm going to leave it there for now, but I just scratch my had sometimes.
  24. 1 point
    And yet it DOES SAY that they can follow back to them - This disproved your assertion. And it was only the first that was listed on my search. You are the one making the false claim, so you need to prove it, not me. I have shown verse after verse after verse after verse that proves you are wrong. THAT is reliable testimony. I have seen the lists on the walls and seen the monuments standing, and spoken with people who follow their lineage to Benjamin specifically, and I don't remember the others. But even that is nothing compared to the verse after verse that shows you are wrong. In response to the verses I listed you simply said they "all agree with me" and refused to respond to EVEN ONE OF THEM. You sidestepped one single verse and answered something irrelevant instead. Your ENTIRE argument process appears to consist of "I'm right and you're wrong" and you present no evidence but accuse everyone else of having no proof. You are a troublemaker, and are only here to cause division - but as you will have noticed, as indicated by the number of likes my posts have, you are not causing division among us. You sir are a wolf, with the single intent of deceiving, and overthrowing the faith of some. You will fail on this forum. And this is precisely why you refuse to give this board the basic courtesy of properly introducing yourself - this is what every false teacher has done when they come to this board, and this one action designates you as a false teacher. How about then you answer the point about Genesis 17? I know you can't but I want to see you squirm as you try. And of course you still refuse to introduce yourself, which is just plain basic good manners and well known forum etiquette- but you care nothing for any of that because good manners is not a part of causing dissention, which is you intent.
  25. 1 point
    God certainly isn't through with LITERAL Israel. All the tribes still DO exist, although none outside the Jews know they're Israelis at all. But GOD knows! HE will reveal to them who they are when His time comes. In Ezekiel, Israel & Judah are called Aholah(Samaria) & Aholibah(Jerusalem). And Aholibah was to receive the greater punishment because she saw Aholah punished with exile by the Assyrians, but went on to exceed Aholah in sin. And the history of the Jews proves they are indeed the actual physical Jews. No other distinct people have borne the hatred & persecution for centuries, as the Jews have, but yet remained a distinct people & kept their national identity. Only GOD could accomplish that! But God will keep the promises He made to Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob concerning their posterity. (And to David as well.)
  26. 1 point
    Lovely attitude there. What about the church looking after a widow? What about this grieving woman who has lost her husband who was a faithful servant for who knows how long being looked after. Your lack of compassion betrays you.
  27. 1 point

    Dinosaur Footprints Found in Australia

    I read about this some time ago, it is very interesting. I also remember the articles about dinosaur foot prints found in Texas. It is also interesting to think about scientists time table for events like this in regard to when these creatures walked the earth. The prints in Texas were had the distinct impressions of human tracks made in the same dinosaur tracks. That kind of blows evolution scientists ideas that dinosaurs lived long before man evolved.
  28. 1 point

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    Purely statutory...... statutory /ˈstatʃʊt(ə)ri,ˈstatjʊt(ə)ri/ adjective required, permitted, or enacted by statute. Oh you mean purely about a law made by government? Yep it is a pure legal matter. He broke the law, and he paid for it. In this matter Hovind was not fighting for religious freedom - he was fighting to not pay taxes - it was a money issue plain and simple. And Alan would not be happy to see any Christian persecuted. This is the verse that applies to his case: 1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. And you still have not done this board the basic courtesy of properly introducing yourself in the intro section, which is the standard practice of false teachers who come here to cause trouble.
  29. 1 point
  30. 1 point
    I'm no expert on this matter so I could be wrong, but I would think that the 3 board members that are left would discuss and vote on what to do with the monies that are left over. I do not know anything about your situation, but I would vote that the monies go to a like minded church that could use the funds to keep the doors open.
  31. 1 point
    You post evidence backing up your claim. I have been to Israel, spoken to Israelies who know their heritage, been to places that list their heritage. Not internet waffle but genuine experience. And you won't answer any of the verses because you can't. God, in His perfect Word, constantly and repeatedly refers to national Israel after you say He has forsaken then. You are wrong, and your " I'm right and you're wrong" attitude will not change that. And you still have not done this board the basic courtesy of properly introducing yourself in the intro section..
  32. 1 point

    Whats for Supper...

    Today we had a big lunch with our family. Our son in law, did roast lamb carrots, runner beans and cauliflower.. I did roast potatoes and sweet potatoes, because I have a timer on my oven and can get the cookes at the right time after church, I also did mushrooms and cauliflower cheese for the vegetarians. We had six family and two hospitality guests. For supper I did avacado witn prawns (shrimps) and salad.
  33. 1 point
    Romans 9 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Why would the Apostle Paul, under the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit, refer to his kinsmen according to the flesh as Israelites, if God was now done with national Israel and had replaced them? Yet Paul very specifically denote his kinsmen according to the flesh as "Israelites".
  34. 1 point


    The short answer is yes, it is possible with the programming this board runs under. The board owner sets all board parameters when he sets up his board. If BroMatt has chosen to not implement this feature he may have a good reason for it, or he may have simply not thought of it as important at that time.
  35. 1 point

    Pastoring involves?

    Ok then..... I will go first. 2Ti 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. A Pastor should teach faithful men to teach men. This is of course referring to the things of doctrine and salvation. Could we refer to this as "discipleship". A pastor should disciple men to be faithful teachers of God's Word.
  36. 1 point

    Prayers for illness

    I have an illness that won’t go away, I would appreciate prayers for healing I would be happy to pray for others, as well
  37. 1 point

    The Ebonics Bible

    Why wouldn’t Americans understand English? I don’t understand the point of this comment. And please don’t mock people’s regional accents.
  38. 1 point
    My seven grandchildren are all millennials. None of them go to church. Their reason is they all grew up in public school and are evolutionists. They were not taught the Word in school. They believe in the science they were taught. After 12-16 years of school their "truth" is based on this science. I keep trying, but it is hard to overcome this situation.
  39. 1 point
    I am of the opinion that it is a combination of both positions that is the truth. I think there is a lot of shallowness and hardness in IFB that is driving people away, but I also acknowledge that there is a lot of worldly temptations that is also drawing them away. I do not think we have an either or situation here, but rather a "these are both problems" scenario.
  40. 1 point
    Well said bro. Scott. I also have to wonder about how many of these have been under the influence of Easy Believism and a quick prayer to "Invite Jesus Into Your Heart".
  41. 1 point
    Proverbs 1:7 -- "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." In my opinion, they are leaving because they lack the foundational motivation of heart to stay. They are more concerned about what pleases them than they are about what pleases God. They do not possess the fear and love of the Lord in their hearts. Rather, they possess the love of self and the world in their hearts. They are dull of hearing toward the teaching and preaching of God's Word because they do not possess a foundational fellowship with the God of the Word. They have entangled themselves with the riches, pleasures, and social connections of this life and world; and those things are choking out their desire for the Lord their God and His Holy Word. It is ALL about the priority of their hearts.
  42. 1 point

    Matthew 12:40

    Almost five years and folks are still focusing on what people believe and think and not what the bible teaches. A thorough study of the scriptures teaches that Christ died on a Wednesday and was in the tomb 3 full days and nights and emerged on Sunday. The door to the tomb shut at exactly 6pm on Wednesday, making that Thursday and opened on Saturday at 6pm making that Sunday.
  43. 1 point
    Brother Stafford

    Hovind Hypocrisy

    I'm not really a fan of "Creation ministries" anymore. Every one that I know of has made it the primary focus and has spend millions of dollars on, what I believe to be, unnecessary buildings, staff or gimmicks. I don't see any biblical precedent for a creation ministry. We are not called to go forth and disprove evolution or even to attempt prove the existence of God; scripture just assumes it. We are called to spread the Gospel. Giant models of Noah's ark or an infinite number of books refuting evolutionism or even young earth creationism, are a waste of time, money and other resources, in my opinion. I used to be very into that kind of thing, as well as very into apologetics. I used to think, "If I can just make the right argument, then they'll finally understand." What I have found is that the only thing that has ever caught the attention of anyone with whom I have spoken, has been God's word. When you show people irrefutable truths, if it conflicts with their world view, they will defiantly (and usually angrily and awkwardly) reject it outright; even when you can tell that they know they are wrong. They do that with scripture as well, but scripture is the only thing that I have witnessed having any awakening affect on them. When getting into a creation vs evolution discussion with someone, first ask them, "If I can give you compelling evidence that support my views, do you think you would change your mind?" You will find that, more often than not, people will usually say, "No, probably not." That is why I try to stay focused on scripture. When focusing on gimmicks or off-the-cuff logical debate, it is your logic against theirs, and they know that. When you focus on scripture, and especially when you stand next to them and read with them from an open King James Bible, they can still disagree and argue, but they are usually aware that it is not just your logic against theirs any longer, but rather, their logic against God's word. (Romans 10:13-17) "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. {14} How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? {15} And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! {16} But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? {17} So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
  44. 1 point
    I see this topic bearing no good fruit. It is locked.
  45. 1 point

    Why Don't Baptist Fast

    Who said Baptists don't fast? As with many things, teaching and practice regarding fasting differs from one Baptist church to another, and from one Baptists to another. Properly (biblically) done, fasting can be a wonderful tool.
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