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  1. 7 points

    What happened in church today?

    We have only two little girls coming to Sunday School at this point. They knew nothing much about the Bible before they started attending. So I've been very careful about how I present salvation to them. And I've been praying quite a bit in the last few weeks for them. Well, Sunday morning the oldest girl accepted Christ as her Savior!! We were near the end of our lesson. The Bible stories have all been about the life of Christ. I also teach a practical application story. This past Sunday I divided the story of George Washington Carver in half and told it in Sunday School and Jr Church. Part of the story was how GWC was redeemed for a race horse when he'd been kidnapped by Night Riders. So I spent some time explaining what redeemed meant. At the end of the story, he, of course, died. But while on his death bed, he ruminated about Jesus preparing a place for him. That's when she spoke up and said she wanted to accept Jesus as her Savior. While her initial reason was to be able to be in Heaven with Jesus and have fun with Him when she dies, she did understand about sin. I told her she could, but that she would need to do it herself. I did not want to do what so many do and pray a prayer for her to repeat (not saying that's a wrong approach, but I strongly felt it was the wrong approach with her). She got up from her seat and went over to the empty area of the room and got on her knees. She prayed, told God she was sorry for her sins (something I had NEVER mentioned needed to be said...) and asked to be saved. Woo-hoo! During snack afterward, I told folks she had an announcement. She told them that she took Jesus as her Savior. And that was the wording she used to tell two other people that day. So very exciting! I told her that now that she was saved, she needed to learn all she can about the Lord, and how He wants her to come to church and invite others. She said, "He does?" So we'll see if she can start inviting others to come. Anyway, that is a direct answer to prayer! I was also concerned that her younger sister would want to "get saved" just because the older was. But she didn't even blink. That, also, is an answer to prayer. As the Lord continues to work, I believe she will get saved.
  2. 5 points

    An apology

    Okay, so when I posted the articles concerning David Cloud, the Australian church, and the issue of the timing of the rapture, I did not intend for it to go where it did, though out of experience, I should have seen that happening. My intention was just to put forth whether the timing of the rapture should be considered a fundamental of the faith, and a matter of separation and heresy. Yes, it was a disagreement with David Cloud's position, but it was not meant in any ways to disparage him and his ministry, a ministry that I have used often, and do to this day. But yes, it was a disagreement. That said, I wish to apologize to those who saw my comments as being disparaging to him, or to them, and also apologize for allowing myself to run back into the argument over the particulars; such wasn't my intention, and those whom I have offended or angered, I apologize-there are some subjects that I know, from my own feelings about them, that I ought to leave unsaid, especially as a moderator. So consider the subject closed and done. If anyone wishes to speak more in detail on it, or has further argument with me, please let me know privately and we can do it as brethren in Christ. Again, I am sorry for the unintended contention I began.
  3. 4 points

    Dear Any Godly Pastor

    Dear Any Godly Pastor Dear Pastor... I am old enough to be your mom! However! I'm NOT too old and I don't have so much more experience in life that I cannot continue to learn. What a blessing it is to hear the instruction of the Word. I have not grown so strong, so knowledgeable, or so wise that I no longer need comfort, encouragement, edification, exhortation, admonition, reproof, rebuke, and correction in righteousness. You see - it never gets old or tiresome to hear the Word with listening ears, ready to receive with an open heart, a message that the Lord has filled your heart with to preach. I sincerely believe that every Spirit-filled message is for me to hear as I run my race hungering and thirsting after righteousness; for I ought to pay attention to every word that has proceeded out of the mouth of God. God's Words and instructions are all given in the best interests of my heart. Pastor, it's a thing of awe to know that each week, though unseen by me, the Lord is preparing, teaching, convicting, and guiding you with messages of truth - that our God wants you to impart to our precious little church. The messages that the Spirit gives, are so very vital to the encouragement that I need, as I desire to walk with Him so as I ought to walk. What a joy it is, Pastor, to empty ourselves of ourselves, that the Lord can fill our hearts with exactly what we need and when we need it. I've learned to recognize that selfishness fills me with misery, and a void of contentment. Pride has a way of chewing me up and spitting me out and trampling me under my very own feet. It is futile to do anything in and of myself - ooooooh, how great a thing it is to welcome the instruction from His Word which indeed brings joy and peace, love and contentment! Long ago when my children were but babes, I kept a diary of heartfelt thoughts for them. I dearly wanted to encourage them to come to the understanding that it is wise to accept instruction, and to welcome it along with any discipline necessary, as a means of protection all the days of our lives. I wanted them to see that the Word itself, Jesus, was given to us coupled with any chastisement, because He loves us - and that He truly is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. So long ago, I wanted my children to begin to understand the importance that correction in righteousness is. For the sake of simplicity and illustration at the time, any godly reproof that we may be the recipients of - could be pictured as like going down a narrow road with precipices on either side, but that the Word of God is as "bumpers or guard rails" that help keep us from "derailing and going off track". I wanted them to understand the importance of living in obedience to the Word with a broken and contrite spirit and heart, and that by so-doing, keeps us on our toes, aware, alert, and with the desire striving to grow in Him in progressive sanctification. Pastor, I pray for you all throughout the week - I suppose like a momma would pray for her son. I pray that the Lord would teach you just what you need to know, with the love and power needed, in order to impart to us what He has given to you. I pray that you are filled with His Spirit as you study, as you learn, and as you prepare to preach to us. I cannot articulate the words to describe the blessing and joy it is to hear you preach; for it is easy to lose sight of you, the man preaching, and see that is is Christ through you speaking to me. I praise the Lord for your sensitivity to the Spirit, and your active fear of the Lord. It's a wondrous thing to see your testimony of pure religion; blameless, spotless, and without wrinkle. I'm sure that you must get discouraged at times, when it seems that the congregation is dull of hearing, and it's difficult to see lives being transformed. Surely there must be times that you would throw your hands up with the feelings of despair and burden. But, Pastor! When those times come, please remind yourself that there's a little ole lady - pretty much unseen, doesn't fit in with most of the others, but is doing the very best possible to be attentive to the Spirit working - being available and desiring to receive the Word and that it would pierce my heart. I'm so very glad that though I may be "nobody" on this earth, that I am yet still very much "somebody" to my Saviour! I desperately need to hear from my God, and I am so glad and joyous that you are availing yourself to Him as a vessel meet for His use. Carry on, Pastor, carry on! In serving Him, you serve us. Someone once so wisely said that - "A good leader is first a good follower of God". Continue to take up your cross and walk on in Him. The "momentum" in Him, lightens the heaviness that a man of God, a man after God's own heart, is so often burdened with. Just think! By God's mercies, we have the privilege, blessing, pleasure, and joy to present ourselves as living sacrifices because of our love for Him; yes - holy and acceptable unto God. It truly is reasonable for us to give ourselves, losing ourselves, and to reciprocate our love to Him with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength! God is love, and so to know love, is to know God. Please be encouraged, Pastor, and carry on! WWMS
  4. 4 points

    In Great Need of Work!

    Been looking for full time work for nearly 2 months. Thought I found it twice just to get laid off both times. Please pray for me in Jesus Grace I might find work. Beginning to think I will never find a job again.
  5. 4 points
    Yes, the epicenter is King County (good metaphor...King County is the cause of most of our political problems here in the state LOL), with Spokane being the next largest problem. Even with that, considering the numbers who are listed as having the virus, it is a negligible number in comparison to the flu. The flu has also killed more people than this has. However, the flu is so common that government would have a hard time mandating the closure of things and thus bottoming out the economy. Well, other than toilet paper manufacturers. LOL I'm glad you had 18 yesterday. And a visitor to boot! We had 5 in Sunday School and 7 in the main service, 5 last night. Some of our members (as I mentioned my mom) have self-quarantined due to colds. One member lives with his sister, brother-in-law, and niece (plus other family members). His BIL and niece both have major health issues that are actually terminial, so they are quarantined by doctor's order. They are also members of our church. Anyway, this member now has a cold and so is staying home - and virtually stuck in his room, because his niece is convinced he has covid (which has entirely different symptoms from what he has) and is afraid she will contract it. Understandable, because if she gets it, it will kill her most likely. However, that is a picture of what the media hype has done to people. Created a fear within them that makes them afraid of their own family. Small wonder that the majority of people have no issues with government mandated closures and limits on gatherings. My husband is preaching on the different aspect of Christ this month. Yesterday he spoke on Christ as Creator. He also was able to emphasize that we oughtn't let fear run our lives. I'm thankful for pastors who can actually comfort their people in this way! ~~~~~~~ Don't get me wrong - I don't want anybody sick. But I am tired of the hype. More people - VASTLY more - have survived the virus than have died from it.
  6. 4 points

    In Great Need of Work!

    My reply below is not meant to be critical or mean, just honestly asking because I don't understand the logic in your statement. Why? Because God is not answering a prayer request in the way and time frame that you want? God is not a genie in a box were you get 3 wishes that you wish. 1 John 5:14-15 (KJV) And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. James, I have been there before. I've had no job for over a year trying to provide for my family. I now look back and see how God provided over and over again during that time period. Not working actually saw my faith strengthen because I saw that God was with me and provided food and clothing for my family.
  7. 4 points
    Had a pretty good service yesterday. Numbers were down a little, only had 13 present. But good freedom to preach. One of my regulars is a 70 year old cowboy who was raised a catholic. He's rougher than a cob, but really supports us, listens intently to every sermon and keeps coming back. Every single Sunday. We went out to his place to work some horses yesterday afternoon, and he told my son Will to flag a colt in the round pen while he and I went and visited in patio chairs against the barn. It turns out he had more questions that had been bugging him. Questions about the validity of cofessionals, rasaries and praying using written catholic prayers. He's seeing the difference between the simple grace and liberty of the gospel as I preach it, and the bondage he grew up with. He not a practicing catholic, hasnt been anything but a rough ol' sinner for many, many years. But until now, that was all he knew of God. Seeds dont spring up and bear fruit overnight. They need to be nutured, watered and waited patiently for until God gives the increase.
  8. 4 points
    According to a reliable source: the whale died of indigestion. The SPCA arrested Jonah and was fined for cruelty to an animal.
  9. 3 points

    Matt McMillen Ministries

    @Matt McMillen I'll respond to these accusations against us when I get some time in the next couple of days. In the mean time, you're more than willing to defend yourself here as we want nothing but the truth. We are genuinely interested in what you believe. You have not been restricted, banned, or warned so did one of the mods tell you not to defend yourself? I'm asking because you said we will not allow you to defend yourself. I just want to know where that came from. Hopefully, that is false information against us.
  10. 3 points

    Jehovah's Witness

    There is a difference in telling the truth in boldness and being sarcastic/rude. Jesus was never the latter.
  11. 3 points
    "Not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." Hebrews 10:25 Yes, 360Watt is correct. Some churches are sitting farther apart in the sanctuary, some are assembling outside on chairs, some churches are meeting in drive-in theatres, some have loudspeakers on the outside of the church, some are creative in other areas, some have put up a tent; but all are assembling. Have you noticed that all of the news media are focusing on only Christian churches in the religious realm. Not one word, at least on the main media, or on the front page, is focused on what the Muslims, or Buddhist temples, are told to do. Only the churches, so it seems, is forced into an internet setting. the politicians, as a whole, will not mention putting any restrictions on the Muslims nor the Buddhist Temples. It almost seems like the politicians are forcing churches, or bullying, or intimidating, churches to go on a online setting. Do you know that a lot of small churches cannot afford an church web site? do you know how much money a website costs to start? to maintain? Or, they are fearful of Facebook? I do not care for Facebook nor neither do a lot of other saints care for Facebook. I am not against Facebook, nor any other technological setting, but folks are using the internet to forsake the assembling together and the politicians are using the virus situation to force, or bully, or intimidate, churches from assembling. I did create a YouTube Channel, and a website for our church in Taiwan, and am now in the process of creating another website for my books, So, I am not against these technological advances for the ministry; but, I do not want that to replace the saints "gathering together."
  12. 3 points
    Luke 10:42 How many things are needed? "ONE THING" or "A FEW THINGS"? Bible Babble Buffet at its Best. King James Bible - Luke 10:42 - But ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.” NASB 1963-1977 editions - “But ONLY A FEW THINGS ARE NECESSARY, REALLY ONLY ONE, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.” NASB 1995 edition - “But ONLY ONE THING IS NECESSARY, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.” NIV 1973, 1978 and 1982 editions - "BUT ONLY ONE THING IS NEEDED. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken from her." NIV 2011 edition - "BUT FEW THINGS ARE NEEDED - OR INDEED ONLY ONE. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken from her." Did you notice that both the NASB and the NIV changed THE TEXT from one edition to another, AND that they REVERSED THEIR CHOICES? What is going on here in Bible Babble Buffet Land? This section of Luke tells of the time when Jesus came to the house of Martha and Mary, and Martha was cumbered with much serving and Mary sat at the feet of Jesus and heard his word. In Luke 10:42, after Jesus told Martha that she was careful and troubled about many things, he says: "But ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her." The one thing that is needful is to sit at the feet of Jesus, to hear his words, and be in fellowship with him. "BUT ONE THING is needful” The "But one thing is needful" is the reading found not only in the Majority of all manuscripts and the TR, but also of P45 and P75, both of which predate the vaunted Sinaiticus and Vaticanus. It is also found in Alexandrinus, C original, E, F, G, H, K, M, P, S, U, V, Gamma, Delta, Theta, Lambda, Pi, Psi. And it is the reading of the Old Latin aur, f, g1, q, the Syriac Peshitta, Curetonian, Harclean, Coptic Sahidic and Vulgate ancient versions. "BUT ONE THING is needful" is the reading of Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the Revised Version 1881, the ASV of 1901 (the highly praised precursor to the NASB), the RSV, NRSV, ESV, NKJV, Holman, Common English Bible and Dan Wallace's 2006 NET version. But in the NASBs of 1963, 1972 and 1977 we read instead: "FEW THINGS ARE NECESSARY, REALLY ONLY ONE." This ridiculous reading comes from the Vaticanus manuscript. The Siniaticus goes back and forth, being corrected three times in this one phrase alone. First Sinaiticus actually read ὀλίγων δέ ἐστιν ἢ ἑνὸς = "but few things are the one" (Deep, huh?) Then a scribe changed it to read like the Majority text; and then another scribe changed it back again to read like Vaticanus. Also reading this way are the Jehovah Witness New World Translation 1961 and the 2013 J.W. Revision which say: “A FEW THINGS THOUGH ARE NEEDED, OR JUST ONE. For her part, Mary chose the good portion.” The Amplified bible of 1987 still non-sensically reads: “THERE IS NEED OF ONLY ONE THING OR BUT A FEW THINGS. Mary has chosen the good portion”. Rotherham’s Emphasized bible 1902 read this way - “OF FEW THINGS, IS THERE NEED, OR, OF ONE; Mary, in fact, hath chosen, the good part,” as does the Lexham English Bible of 2012 - “But FEW THINGS ARE NECESSARY, OR ONLY ONE THING, for Mary has chosen the better part” But the NASB update of 1995 has reversed itself, and now reads as the KJB and the NIVs EARLIER EDITIONS and the ESV. Why? Not because of any new manuscript evidence recently come to light; they simply changed their minds. The Catholic versions have done the same thing. The early Douay-Rheims of 1610 and the 1950 Douay followed the Traditional texts and read like the KJB - “But ONE THING IS NEEDFUL, and Mary hath chosen that good part”. But then the 1968 Jerusalem bible and the 1985 New Jerusalem bible followed the Vaticanus reading and read: “FEW THINGS ARE NEEDED, INDEED ONLY ONE.” But now the 2009 Catholic Public Domain Version has also gone back to the Traditional reading and once again says: “And yet ONLY ONE THING IS NECESSARY. Mary has chosen the best portion” Likewise the Nestle-Aland Critical Greek texts have changed over the years. Westcott and Hort originally went with the nonsensical reading ὀλίγων δέ ἐστιν χρεία ἢ ἑνός, which is not even grammatically correct and literally is “few things is necessary the one”. So also did the Nestle 4th edition 1934 and the Nestle 21st edition 1975. I have hard copies of both of these and this is how their critical text reads. But not even the RV, ASV or even the RSV were that far gone that they actually followed this absurd reading found in their own critical Greek text editions. The first major translation to adopt it and put it in their text was the NASB in 1963 and the NASB stuck with it through 7 different editions until 1995. Then sometime later they changed the Nestle-Aland, UBS critical texts and they now read as does the KJB with “ἑνὸς δέ ἐστιν χρεία = “but one thing is necessary.” But wait! There is more. The NIVs 1973, 1978 and 1984 editions had it right. The read: "BUT ONLY ONE THING IS NEEDED. Marry has chosen what is better." But now that the UBS/Nestle-Aland critical Greek texts have changed their reading to the correct one, which reads this way, the NEW NIV 2011 edition has come out, and now gone with the OLD Vaticanus reading the the critical text editors and the NASB just got done correcting. The New NIV of 2011 now reads: "BUT FEW THINGS ARE NEEDED - OR INDEED ONLY ONE. Mary has chosen what is better."!!! So the critical text promoters have abandoned in this place their beloved "oldest and best" manuscripts, all in the name of "the science” of Textual Criticism, don’t ya know. The question remains - Which NASB or which NIV was inspired and inerrant? The first 7 editions of the NASB from 1963 to 1977 or the 1995 update? Or the first three editions of the NIV, or this latest one done in 2011 where it doesn't even follow the late$t $cholarly Finding$? Well, actually, there is NO NASB or NIV user who believes their ever-changing versions are the inspired and infallible words of God. The 1995 NASB update changed 20,000 words and deleted another 8000 words from the previous 1977 NASB edition. This is not fantasy. I have the book Double Jeopardy, by Lawrence M. Vance, that documents in black and white every change that has taken place between these two different editions of the NASB. What we see among these bogus bible versions that are based on the ever changing Nestle-Aland/UBS/Vatican critical Greek texts (both the “Evangelical” NASB, ESV, NIV, and the modern Catholic versions) is the fact that they have no settled Scripture. What may be fa$hionable $cholar$hip today, will change with the wind tomorrow. And their so called “oldest and best manuscripts”, that these new Vatican Versions are based on, are in fact among the most corrupt in existence. Get yourself the King James Holy Bible and “meddle not with them that are given to change” - Proverbs 24:21
  13. 3 points

    My Own Traveling Singing Group

    The Lord has blessed me with opportunities to travel through out the Northeast preaching at different Churches and Baptist Colleges. Due to the virus all my recent meetings have been cancelled, but I'm looking forward to starting up again when this is over. Anyways, I recently (3 weeks ago) took my girls and one of our church teens with me to preach at Vision Baptist College in NJ to look at the school and sit in on classes. While I was there to preach I figured I'd let the girls sing in chapel. The girl playing the piano & the girl on the right are my daughters, and the girl on the left is a teen that was saved on our bus ministry and is looking at attending a good Bible college.
  14. 3 points
    I agree with your approach. Below is a copy-and-paste of the posting I just put on our church facebook page. "We are continuing to have our regular scheduled services during this trying time, as our numbers are well below the threshold recommended. However, we will be not be meeting after the service for our weekly church-wide Sunday dinner until further notice. All of life is a balance. And we get in trouble when we get out of balance in one direction or another. God is not a God of fear, and those who live a life of faith need to fear nothing. We believe that God will lead us through the storms that we must face, and around the storms he does not intend for us. However, this does not excuse heedless recklessness. We are commanded all the way back in Exodus, in the 10 commandments, to not tempt God. One of Satan's temptations of Christ in the New Testament was just that, to do something physically foolish and expect the Father to rescue him. Jesus' response was to quote that commandment "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God". So we, as Christians, must follow this path in life. We do not live a life dictated by fear, but nor do continue in arrogant, religious foolishness to stubbornly continue on a path that is unwise, and tempts the Lord our God. Be secure, be sane and love God."
  15. 3 points

    Making America Great Again

    I do keep abreast of the news in China (Communist), Taiwan (Free China), and Hong Kong. President Trump, many times, in order to assure the world that the United States is a free Republic (Democratic), has stood up to the communist leaders. President Trumps actions, not just words, is good for America and our ideals that our Founding Fathers set forth in the Constitution. https://www.thenewamerican.com/print-magazine/item/34946-hong-kongers-heroic-fight In the article is the following quote, "President Donald Trump is the first occupant of the White House since the communists came to power in China in 1949 to reverse the suicidal policies of the United States vis-à-vis China. Having already hit the Beijing regime with tariffs and put them on notice that the United States would not continue ignoring their closed markets, huge subsidies to Chinese corporate “champions,” and violations of intellectual property rights, President Trump also signaled that he wouldn’t follow the Bush example of looking the other way if China chose to send the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) into the streets of Hong Kong as it did at Tiananmen 30 years ago." In my understanding, President Trump, and his stand against the communists, is good for America and the freedom that we enjoy.
  16. 3 points
    We have not cancelled our services as of yet. I encouraged our members last night to watch our midweek service on our live stream, instead we had a larger than normal crowd by far and we did not do some pickups. Granted we are a church plant so its not like we had hundreds of people. I know I'll probably get ridiculed for having the doors open at this time, but we are taking precautions and just doing what we believe God is telling us to do at this time. I will not criticize any pastor that closes the doors and goes online only during this time. I believe they are doing what they feel is God telling them what to do, that's the nice thing about being Independent.
  17. 3 points
    Update. The government have now given their new advice and it is not as bad as we were given to believe. Those of us over 70 have been advised top self isolate for 12 weeks. They may introduce penalties if people don't comply. I have been told that Iceland stores are setting 2 hours, 9-11am tomorrow exclusively for those who are self isolating. I spoke to our pastor this morning and said we would stay at home and listen to the services online for the immediate future and he agreed. He is considering what to do about services and will consult with members. It is my birthday on Saturday and I was planning to take our family to a meal at the Everest Inn, a Nepalese which is popular with the family, but I will need to put that off.
  18. 3 points
    I too live in WA. My wife has been working part-time in the school as a teacher's aid, and that ends today for a while. There has been no evidence of the panic reported in other areas here in SE Washington, for which I am greatful. Our church is growing, but still very small. We had 18 in attendance yesterday. We will not be canceling services at this time, but will fully support and encourage those who are deciding to stay home for a time. We actually had a visitor, an elderly man in a wheelchair. I preached on not letting fear run your life, but balancing that with being wise and not tempting God.
  19. 3 points
    Here in England all sports events have been cancelled, Our local elections have been put off from May till May next year. Over 70's have been told to self isolate for 2 weeks, but it seems it may be extended to mandatory self isolation for 4 months with a £1,000 fins if you don't comply. Shelves in many stores are emptying of toilet rolls and long lasting foods. I saw a report on the news today in which they visited a street market to ask about shortages. One stall had a sign "Spend £10 and get a free toilet roll." Our church has had services as normal, although I haven't been for two weeks as both my wife and I have had sore throats and been coughing a lot and are supposed to be self isolating if we show any of those symptoms. It was our Sunday Schoolprizegiving this afternoon and it went ahead as usual. Our previous church was closed today as the visiting preacher who was travelling from a distance, called and said he had just had a call to say that someone he spent an evening with a day or two before had been tested positive and was told it was better for him to return home because it would be better for him to be ill there than away from home. A member of the church said he would preach today, but be suddenly got a very high temperature and several leaders of the church had been with him just before, they cancelled the Sunday services and are all self isolating. It is a very small church. My wife and I are both self isolating as we are both over 80. We are not looking forward to being confined for 4 months. Although I can spend time on my allotment which is just through a gate at the bottom of our garden.
  20. 3 points
    I'm curious as to who said they aren't "allowed" to hold services. As far as I can see, the NJ dept of health is only recommending the cancellations of gatherings of 250 people or more, not requiring the cancellation, churches aren't even on the list of things to avoid, although it's implied for larger churches. And if the church has live streaming, as larger churches commonly do, there's no need to "not be allowed" to hold services, people can watch from home. Seriously, in light of how much people are either panicking or outright denying there even is an epidemic, staying home seems to be the better plan. https://www.nj.gov/governor/news/news/562020/approved/20200312a.shtml I doubt that. They're just trying to stop an epidemic from spreading, and the best way to do that is to limit social gatherings, of all kinds. Major sporting events are being cancelled as well and you should hear the uproar over that, people love their sport ball. People are balking at being regulated, I don't see much of people quietly letting it happen. Will some governments try to take advantage of the epidemic? Probably. But it really is also common sense to stay away from large gatherings when contagious sickness (of any kind) is going around, but people in these days don't appear to have the common sense to self regulate themselves. This panic over tissue paper is a perfect example. People panic and don't think. The government steps in to regulate or try to control the panic and people panic more because they believe their liberties are being taken away. So the circle of panic continues. What to do? Trust God. Pray for wisdom. Use the common sense He gave us. Try not to spread articles that lead to panic - misinformation is rampant on social media sites being spread by the media, regular people, and Christians alike, so be careful about what you're reading, try to find the source of something that concerns you. Stay informed about what's actually happening in your area, don't give in to gossip. II Timothy 1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
  21. 3 points
    Folks getting nuts is a very apt observation.
  22. 3 points
    What I dont understand is the treating of the issue as heresy. Yes, I believe that the post-trib rapture view is incorrect, but does every difference of opinion over doctrine have to be treated as actual heresy? When we do this, it weakens the charge against actual, serious heresy, like denying the divinity of Christ, the resurection or or the second coming. No one is denying anythig, just disagreeing on the timing of it all. Is wisdom not, in part, learning to pick our battles?
  23. 3 points
    Just to let everyone know, Ronda passed away last month. She was a faithful servant of God to the very last, defending the faith with her whole heart. If ever I am in the same situation, I pray I am able to face it with the same grace and peace that she did.
  24. 3 points

    The KJVO myth

    Moderator me: Robycop, I will remind you that this is a KJV site, and that all members are asked to respect that when posting. In light of that, I feel that this entire thread is in bad taste. Tread cautiously. Me me: I don't think I'm 'KJVO' (because that view usually involves dual inspiration), but I am TRO. However, I am unaware of any modern translations that compare in quality and reliability. The 'updated' translations are based on faulty texts, with poor translation techniques (think dynamic equivalency) from far less learned scholars than were involved in the translation of the KJV. How can God approve of translations that take away from His Word (wasn't there a curse about that somewhere?). Personally, I think that the English language is increasingly being dumbed down. It used to be a lot richer - a richness we've lost - and I see no reason to allow modern laziness as an excuse for not using the KJV. People may need explaining the first time round, but they will be wiser and richer for it in future.
  25. 3 points

    Post-Trib Rapture?

    And again, you are misrepresenting what I said. I merely said that David Cloud holds the Pre-trib rapture to be a fundamental of the faith, and that, according to MY understanding as a Fundamentalist, (AT LEAST IN THE EYES OF SOME FUNDAMENTALISTS), a fundamental is a matter of salvation. I further clarified that David Cloud has said that it is a subject worthy of separation, BUT NEVER SAID HE BELIEVES IT TO BE A MATTER OF SALVATION. If I seemed to imply that, I apologize, I didn't mean to. WHETHER or not he holds to Fundamentals as salvations issues, I don't know-I suspect NOT because he, like myself, holds to many more things as fundamentals than the basic five that many believe to be the fundamentals of the faith, being: "1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20)." In no way have I misrepresented David Cloud-I do not know if he holds that all fundamentals are salvation issues, but I DO know that he believes the pre-trib rapture IS a fundamental and it is worthy of separation. If you disagree with that, you can read it yourself: https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/another_church_enters_post-tributional_wilderness.php Here is a small quote from the article: "I am sad to report that Pastor Charlie Haddad and Joshua Koura of Grace Bible Baptist Church of New Castle, NSW, have abandoned the fundamental doctrine of the Pre-tribulational Rapture and are wandering in the aforementioned wilderness. Though they admit that they haven’t come to a settled position (and therefore should be keeping their mouths shut as learners instead of teachers), they have become sowers of doubt and confusion. I have a personal stake in this, because last October I preached a Bible conference at Grace and assisted in the ordination of Joshua. Now I must withdraw my participation in that ordination and my support of that church. " My main point I sought to make, is that the Bible does not clearly teach any specific timing for the rapture, though it DOES clearly teach a literal pre-millennial return of Jesus Christ-but please, show me clearly where we see Him returning before the tribulation period. I was raised pre-trib, grew up pre-trib, and after a considerable study, I changed my position because I found it wanting. But that's just the problem, ALL the timing positions are wanting, all are full of assumptions, and every one of them lacks anything specific, EXCEPT, as clearly seen in Rev 14:14-17. This is the only passage that clearly shows Jesus in the clouds reaping the earth, the ripe harvest, just prior to the outpouring of the vials of wrath. THAT is the beginning of wrath, not Rev 6, THAT is tribulation-there is a clear separation between them, as seen in the trumpets and the vials. Trumpets are judgments, vials are wrath. Those with the Spirit of God are protected from the judgments through being marked by the Holy Spirit, which means we could potentially be living then, but protected from God's judgment. And again, I do not declare this as an absolute doctrime, because again, I am making assumptions, as well, but the bottom line is, while I greatly respect Dr. Cloud in , as I said, 99.5% of his teachings, I disagree here. I am not angry at him, and I don't take his stance personally, I merely state what we has made clear in association with the OP. I do not hold that anyone who disagree with me is my enemy, and I don't even see it as a reason to separate, UNLESS, as some I know on all sides of the aisle, it becomes such a matter of contention, that the contention, itself, becomes reason for separation. By the way, for what it matters, I use quite a bit of Dr. Cloud's material-currently I have a class going using his 1 year discipleship course, and am awaiting his Digital Baptist Library. I have greatly appreciated and benefitted from his work and material, I just happen to disagree with him in this. Edited to include: From this article, https://www.wayoflife.org/database/is_fundamentalism_merely_five_fundamentals.html David Cloud makes it clear that he does NOT hold to the idea of the fundamentals only being "the Five" and all salvation issues. So I do, indeed, recognize that fact, and again, if I seemed to imply otherwise, I did not and I apologize.
  26. 2 points
    I don't think anyone on the forum knows Heidi (with the possible exception of Jordan). She was a college student who worked with us in our nursing home ministry. She struggled with many emotional issues, and succumbed to depression by killing herself. The family desires that the story be told and that her death will not be in vain. It's 30 minutes, so doesn't take long, but it's very much worth it. Please listen and even share it with others. https://unshackled.org/listen/latest-program/?fbclid=IwAR2kC7jGlk55AeNujJoix082YMJVFNOPbKGwcw33_GPtl9R7V6DSP02_Has
  27. 2 points

    Social Distancing

    I was watching the news the other day on my computer and the they were explaining that we need to keep a safe distance, six feet, from other people (... six feet ...) . So, I moved my computer screen six feet away from me.
  28. 2 points

    Social Distancing

    My wife and I, driving down the road the other day, observing the speed limit, albeit sitting close together (we are still in love ), when I was stopped by the local Mayor (in these trying times the local officials, governors, etc... make the rules), and he gave me a ticket, and a scolding, for not enough distance between my wife and I!
  29. 2 points

    Social Distancing

    I'm a Baptist. I've been teaching my daughters social distancing from boys for a long time time now. lol
  30. 2 points

    Social Distancing

    Yep, I wouldn't want my computer to catch anything I had either, no viruses or bugs to make it sick. Should I wear a mask while using my computer?
  31. 2 points
    Thanks for the study on Luke 10:42 These new versions are confusion from the spirit of the devil working in the hearts of men. "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints." 1 Corinthians 14:33
  32. 2 points
    No Nicolaitans

    Eve's Transgression?

    If Eve lied, then there was sin before God's word attests that she sinned... That's what this entire thread is about...because I had always heard what both of you gentlemen have said. We only have a small minute (as in miniscule) portion of what the Bible records as to what God told Adam and Eve before they fell. So to say that Eve lied is adding to God's word (in my opinion)...when God's word never denounces Eve for lying. ...but that's my view.
  33. 2 points
    I'm beyond caring about government mandated closures - I am increasingly thinking we should close (or meet outside - like Russian believers under Communism) for each other's safety. Actually - churches did that during the Spanish Influenza when they chose to shut the building doors!
  34. 2 points

    Grace abounds

    The great thing about Jesus' forgiveness and grace, is that the ENTIRE work has already been finished, long before you ever knew the Saviour. On the cross, Jesus paid for ALL sin, and when you came to Him in repentance of your sin, and sought to be forgiven and saved, ALL that forgiveness was applied to ALL your sin, past, present and future. But let's deal with your prayer issue for a moment, since that seems at the center of your concern. I suspect it isn't quite as bad as you believe it to be, because the Lord IS faithful to answer prayer. Now, why might He NOT answer prayer? Well, (and mind you, I make no judgments on you because I know nothing of your life), the Lord won't answer our prayers if we are dwelling in sin, if there is unrepented-of sin in our lives. David says "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:" So it is important that we see any sin dealt with as soon as we know it is there. And will God forgive every one, even if we go to Him time and again? Absolutely! "If we confess our sin he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin..." Remember, Jesus told Peter and His disciples that if our brother sins against us and repents, we are to forgive them, even to 70x7 times, each day! If we take that literally, it is 490 times each day, we are to forgive one another, so if the Lord expects us sinners to be that forgiving, how much MORE does HE forgive? Second, if a man doesn't treat his wife right, the Lord won't hear his prayers. 1Pe 3:7 "Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered." So if there are issues in your marriage you're not seeing to in a godly manner, it will hinder your prayers. Finally, if we ask outside of His will, we can depend that it will not be answered, or not in the affirmative. And of course, make sure your salvation! Are you certain you're saved? What is your salvation testimony? There are many who believe themselves to be saved, who are trusting the wrong things, and are not saved. So make sure there first. As for a job, it may be you will need to go somewhere where there is a job available. Or maybe the Lord has a ministry He wants you for, and you haven't submitted to His will on that, but are running away, maybe thinking yourself not worthy, not ready-I was there, and yes, my jobs suffered when I ran. When you are asking from God, consider first, What are you doing for God? Again, none of this is meant to be critical, judgmental or anything, because I don't know anything about your life-I am just going to basic biblical principles and hoping maybe something helps.
  35. 2 points
    John Young

    In Great Need of Work!

    I suggest you read the letter of James in the Bible and take it to heart. Don't play games with your faith, as you won't please or amuse God. Either believe or don't and don't base your faith off of what you can get form God because a half hearted believer or those who are self serving will get nothing. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+1&version=AKJV
  36. 2 points
    In the interest of Independent Baptist fellowship, a place to interact with other Independent Baptists and in deference to BroMatt's Board Rules which state this: ""We will not allow the following a) Bashing of other message boards. b) Bashing of your pastor or church. ** Online Baptist is a place for fellowship, disagreements you may have with others should not be handled here. c) Members that come just to argue doctrine instead of fellowship. I am going to lock this thread. This is an attempt to start anew, so please, if anyone wants to discuss the timing of the raptures, start another thread after first searching to see if there is a already a thread on this subject that you can reply to.
  37. 2 points
    Jordan Kurecki

    In Great Need of Work!

    I almost said basically the same. People need to realize that God doesn't behave according to their preconceived ideas. As one person said “we have no right to expect or believe something that God never promised or said”... God has not promised that people would be happy or rich or never without work or trying times, he HAS promised that all who believe the Gospel will be saved from hell and that He will take care of the financial/material needs of anyone who seeks to do HiS will!
  38. 2 points
    He would NOT be. In my opinion, the idea that the Holy Spirit is presented as being removed from the earth altogether in any manner is a false view of this passage.
  39. 2 points
    You have to live in the Northeast to understand Northeast politics and the difference on what the government post in public and what they say in phone call and letters. Almost mob style mentality. With the government here in the Northeast shutting down colleges, they actually spread it from the Northeast to all over the country. They shut schools down and forced students (some who have been exposed to the virus) to go home. The virus which was contained to one area now was sent all over the country. What I don't understand is why are we looking to the government for help? Living in the Northeast my whole life, the government is all about take control and liberty in our lives. Our politicians seem to tell us they know me better than I know me.
  40. 2 points
    I never said, nor do I believe, that the Holy Spirit, does not work, nor does not seal, the believers during the Tribulation Period, nor that the Holy Spirit does not work in the Tribulation Period. Again, due to twisting what I say, and what others say, this is why I do not want to discuss this issue with you, or with anyone who believes in the post-tribulation rapture view. Also, according to Revelation 7:2, an angel seals the 144,000 Jewish evangelists. Also, as with the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit will come on the prophets as in the Old Testament and God will deal with world as He dealt with them as under the Jewish economy; not the church economy. The assumptions, and the conjectures, of the post-tribulation teachers are the ones who are causing the mass confusion, and twisting of the scriptures, in the churches: not the pre-tribulationists.
  41. 2 points
    weary warrior

    Junk feedback/emails

    Yeah, I used a 19th century solution to fix that problem when I came on as pastor in December. I removed the church computer from my office, shut down the cluttered, unused church website, and turned the email address over to the church secretary/treasurer to keep up with. We have no wi-fi at the church or my house, beyond the data on my mobile phone. Its certainly not the solution for everyone, but its works for this old cowboy.
  42. 2 points

    Post-Trib Rapture?

    I took it the other way too. I've edited the post to say 'deleted comment' to remove future confusion.
  43. 2 points
    Thank you for this update Rebecca. Although this announcement is sad in many respects, it is also a reassurance that Ronda is now in the loving presence of her Lord and Savior. Free from pain and the ravages of this life, she is now living the life we all look forward to and actually able to at last realize the promises that God has made. I, for one am thankful for her life as well as her dedication, perseverance, love, and willingness to share her faith and life's work with others. Her writings were always a blessing to me.
  44. 2 points
    Sadly, two of our regular members, twin brothers who have been coming for over 10 years, both saved with us, have for whatever reason to stop attending, just sort of dropped out. Both have gone back to video games most of the time, or lots of working overtime to fund their various interests. I suspect they may have gotten upset at my pointing out to them why they had left the video games in the first place, and now they have gone full back, so we never see them anymore. And in a tiny church as ours, that's a tough loss, after so long. However, the Lord never promised an easy road. So we had four yesterday, taught on the subject of biblical judging in the morning, that after our discipleship class, and in the evening we have been doing a continuing study on wine and strong drink in the Bible, going over every passage in the Bible that mentions it, and considering each reference as neutral, positive, negative, service-connected, part of sacrifice, or a combination of those. The goal is, there is always such an argument from people as to whether wine is generally seen as good or evil in scripture, so I thought a full view of it completely, then make an assessment at the end.
  45. 2 points

    A Valentine Praise

    My mom, son, and I went together and got Randy an exercise bike for his birthday. He spent both his and my birthdays in the hospital last year. This year he got the bike and is using it daily. It's not a fancy bike, but it spins around when he pedals and that's what he needs. LOL
  46. 2 points
    weary warrior

    They Dont Know

    I think there are things that most church members just dont really know or understand about pastoring and preaching. And we ourselves often cant clarify it for them. For instance, I am completely exhausted after preaching. Body, soul and spirit, I am completely pored out. I am not a screamer or a "windsucker" kind of preacher, but I am passionate, focused and "all in" when I preach. I usually feel like I just finished digging ditches for 8 hours, except digging ditches doesnt drain me spiritualy and emotionally. Add to that 1 1/2 hours of picking up kids before church from the surrounding farm communities, rushing in at the last minute to lead the singing, preaching, then fellowshiping and looking out for visitors during the meal after the service, and then the 1 1/2 hours taking kids home, I'm whipped. I know sometimes I probably seem a bit unsociable or remote after about 3:00pm on Sunday. But I can only hope people understand. Im never unkind or discourteous, just...wore out. I dont think thats something we can define for those who havent experienced it.
  47. 2 points
    weary warrior

    Post-Trib Rapture?

    I see what you are saying, and in that case, I am entirely in the wrong. I do apologize completely for my post. I am sorry.
  48. 2 points

    Post-Trib Rapture?

    And I agree with you completely. While I really like David Cloud and a lot of how teachings, I am disturbed a bit over his insistence not only that the pre-trib rapture is CLEAR biblical doctrine, but that it is to be considered a fundamental of the faith, meaning, if I understand Fundamentalism properly, that it is a salvation issue, and that anyone who is NOT pre-trib must be separated from, that is even more disturbing. A concern I have is, if it ISN'T pre-tribulation, and all those pre-trib believers begin to clearly see events of the tribulation taking place, how might this affect their faith? Will they think they were left behind? Will they be angry at God for leaving them? I so often hear the argument that God would NEVER cause His children to go through such terrible tribulation, but then I wonder, Have they read Foxe's Book of Martyrs? Have they read how believers have historically always been treated? The millions slaughtered by the Romans, the Jews, the Catholics, the Muslims, the communists? I am afraid we have become too soft in America with the lack of real persecution. So I am all for Him taking us before the trouble begins, because I certainly don't want to go through it, even protected, but if we must, better to be ready, at least for the possibility, so if it DOES occur, I am at least mentally prepared.
  49. 2 points

    What happened in church today?

    Always like to visit a soul-winning church. Tabernacle Baptist Church, Lebanon, Missouri, among other soul-winning efforts, has a "Free Day Away," program for soldiers in training at Ft. Leonard Wood, MO. the church uses buses to bus soldiers to the church in Lebanon, MO and provides a day away from the base with a meal, activities, and a church service. On this particular service I was able to lead one of the soldiers to Christ.
  50. 2 points
    Brother Cloud, in the https://www.wayoflife.org/database/ruckman.html article, has this conclusion. "CONCLUSION While I have serious problems with Dr. Ruckman, I also have serious problems with many of his detractors. Many of Peter Ruckman’s most bitter enemies are trying to discredit the idea that there is an authoritative Bible anywhere in the world. They have their own rotten agenda, undermining men’s faith in the preservation of God’s Word (in any practical sense) and attempting to pollute their minds with the strange, unscriptural, convoluted theories of modern textual criticism. “Who, then, can we trust?” some might be thinking? The Word of God says, “Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm ... Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is” (Jer. 17:5, 7). Man is defiled even at his best. Our confidence must be in Jesus Christ and in His eternal Word, and let no man shake your confidence in that."
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