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  1. Just to clarify: Mary is not the mother of God. She is the mother of Jesus, of His human nature. I have heard various messages through the years about Mary's faith, about how the Lord used Mary, her as an example to us, her words "whatsoever He saith to you, do it"). She was only a virgin until after the birth of Jesus. She had at least 6 other children (four sons, and at least two daughters, because the passages say "sisters"). She certainly was a godly woman, a woman of faith. Of course, we should teach about her as much as any other Bible character - but not exalt her or focus on her more exclusively than anyone else (not saying you are trying to do that - just want to clarify, as I came from a nominal Catholic background).
    6 points
  2. Before I became a Baptist, I was part of three different Christian and Missionary Alliance Churches (cannot remember if I was a member of them or not, it was so long ago). Right now I am attending the second IFB church that I have been a member of. I found out a few months ago that in January of this year that the one I was part of in Kelowna, BC, since 1998 is now not assembling together. The families have moved on or are attending an IFB church in Vernon, BC. With Covid fallout, we don't have that many people at our church in Abbotsford - but at least it's still solid in preaching, IFB, KJVonly - better than any other alternatives in my city.
    4 points
  3. I was just thinking about this and realized some posters here are thinking backwards on the translation issue. It DOESN'T matter if some words are hard to translate from another language into English or be able to be translated word for word into another language - what matters is: Is God's Word able to be translated into those languages accurately? Languages develop over time - however, the three Bible languages are now dead languages (not modern Greek, but Koine Greek); therefore their meaning is static, unchanging. God - who is all knowing, who knows the end from the beginning - chose specific words when He used the Bible prophets to pen His Word. Regardless of how a newer language may have since developed (and how difficult it may or may not be to translate THAT language into another), is God's Word able to be translated INTO (not FROM) that language? That is the primary issue. If God cannot oversee an accurate translation of His Word into a receptor language, that's on God. If man created some words/phrases/ideas that are difficult to translate from a receptor language into another language, that doesn't matter. We are not referring to a Tribesman from (insert random name here) translating his written or spoken words into English or whatever other language you pick, we are determining whether God's preserved words in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek can be translated into these receptor languages?
    4 points
  4. My brother in law's birthday is today. When I sent him a "Happy Birthday" wish on FB, he sent me a Message saying my sister Michele in Augusta, GA was in the hospital. She had a very serious flare-up of her MS yesterday and went into convulsions. He was at work (he works as a Richmond County (Augusta) Sheriff's deputy. He couldn't get ahold of her when he called, so he asked a friend to go and check on her. The friend found her in serious condition and called Al at work. His supervisor sent him home. He got some meds into her, and she slept until 6 PM last night. When she got up, it had started all over again. So, he took her to the ER....They admitted her. Blood work has come back and the doctor told them that the drug gabapentin wasn't being excreted through her kidney's like it's supposed to be (the same reason I quit taking this drug about 10 weeks ago), and that he would need to keep her at least overnight, and if no improvement, with the tests she needs, until at least Tuesday. Al HAS to work today...plus it's his 68th birthday. He's stressed and needs your prayers as well. I'm not sure if he's told my mother yet or not. I'm going to try to call her in just a few minutes to make sure she knows. This whole situation could use some prayer...I know Al and Michele would appreciate it, and so would the rest of our family. This is the second worst MS episode Michele has had in the past six months. The disease is progressing. Thank-you in advance.
    4 points
  5. My brother-in-law has been in the hospital in Augusta, GA for nearly a week now on oxygen...they just told his wife he has pnuemonia (Covid), and they are planning on putting him on a ventilator tonight if his breathing hasn't improved by 9 Eastern. His wife is still recovering from covid, as are his two sons who live in the same mobile home park in N. Augusta, SC. Many in our family in the Augusta area have covid right now. Many HAVE BEEN vaccinated...I'm sure they ALL would appreciate your prayers.
    4 points
  6. Indeed, let us claim that EVERYTHING which Christ said matters; but then let us ignore an entire half of the verse. If everything that Christ said really mattered, then it would be necessary to consider the ENTIRE sentence of the verse, and to demonstrate the grammatical and contextual relationship of the second half of the verse to the first half of the verse.
    4 points
  7. We have some friends who have been hit with covid. The wife recovered, but it still recuperating and tires very easily. Her husband got pneumonia from it and is now in the hospital on oxygen. It looks like he is improving as they've lowered his oxygen, but please pray for healing. She would like him to come home, believing that he would rest better (we all know that's likely true), but not while his oxygen is iffy. Please pray for recovery. They are missionaries, home on furlough. Their country of service is very harsh about covid, and they have had a lot to deal with. They come home and after just a few weeks get sick. The advantage is they will now be immune, but it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't required to get the jab to get back in country. She has not shared this on social media, just privately. So I'm not going to give names. God knows, and I do appreciate your prayers.
    3 points
  8. Todays' update: My friend is home from the hospital! He still has to be on oxygen a bit, but it doing much better. Recuperation is now the goal for both of them. Thank you so much for praying!
    3 points
  9. I have been a member of two Independent Baptist churches. 1. Two Rivers Baptist in Fairbanks Alaska from 1977 to 2003. 2. Country Baptist in Yreka California from 2007 to 2021.
    3 points
  10. There's no way you can love God and hate Him at the same time. If you hate God in any sense, you are dead wrong and backslidden - if you indeed are saved. Also, Biblical love is obedience to Jesus and His Word. If you are not obeying what is revealed in the Word of God - especially what is stated in the New Testament (for simplicity's sake - the instructions to the NT believers, to the churches), then you do not love Him. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
    3 points
  11. Our church does not pay our housing...we take care of that. We chose - via God's leading - where we live. We also choose what we want to drive. We have another vehicle that hubs drives mostly (the car the church bought is for church use or emergency use if our van is down). If you were a member of our church you could have voted against buying the car, but you would have been the only one. lol We aren't poor nor are we rich. God takes care of us, and my hubs gets a sufficient salary from the church. And we are progressing fine in life...monies/gifts/benefits from the church have nothing to do with our progressing in life. And as to our children - our son is in his 30s and paid his own way through his education, like we did. I'm sorry, but I don't agree that it's a "right" to send our children to college via the church paying "enough" money for someone to do so. IMO, that's overreach of pastoral pay. Kids need to get jobs, save money, and pay their own way. Yep, I'm one of those hardnosed people (not to say we wouldn't help our ADULT child in college if need be - but most certainly we would never pay the way and allow said ADULT child to slough off working and paying his/her bill - that is teaching them to be irresponsible, and that is unbiblical). Any pastor who goes into the ministry with $$ on his mind should just not go into the ministry. God provides for His servants. Yes, the laborer is worthy of his hire, and he should be paid if it's possible. Not all times is it possible, and so God works things out different ways (some with pastors getting a second job, some with other churches supporting until the church can be indigenous). I think it's nice that you would like to provide a pastor with sufficient income to pay for everything they want, but that isn't true even of a secular job. Money is only a means to an end. And not always available. Trusting God works much better...
    3 points
  12. Textus Receptus Only nonsense? If you are knocking the TR manuscripts, then how can you be in support of the KJV? It was faithfully translated from the OT Masoretic Text and the NT Textus Receptus. Also, your second statement above is less than a half truth. Scrivener's Greek NT is the one that was put together after that translation of the KJV (ie, he put it together in the 19th century to backup the mansucript support of the KJV when Westcott and Hort were pushing their corrupt Greek text); however, he didn't create it but based it upon all the manuscript readings that were in line with the KJV. There are other editions of the Textus Receptus that were way before the KJV - such as Stephanus'. I don't know all the names, but these manuscripts existed since the first century and weren't just invented in the last four hundred years.
    3 points
  13. Well, I have already presented earlier in this thread discussion my position concerning the continuance of "inspirational AUTHORITY" upon preserved copies and accurate translations of the Holy Scriptures (which I can accept as "derived inspiration," depending upon the definition of this phrase). However, when handling the opening line of 2 Timothy 3:16, let us be sure to handle it with grammatical precision -- "All scripture IS GIVEN by inspiration of God." Yes, this statement DOES speak in the present tense. However, this statement ONLY speaks concerning the GIVING of Holy Scripture. The statement is NOT that all Scripture is COPIED BY (by means of) inspiration of God. The statement is NOT that all Scripture is TRANSLATED BY (by means of) inspiration of God. The statement is ONLY that all Scripture is GIVEN BY (by means of) inspiration of God. The Lord our God GAVE His Holy Word by means of inspiration, wherein holy men of God spoke/communicated it specifically as they were moved by the Holy Spirit of God (See 2 Peter 1:21). As such, I am not aware of any passage which teaches that the copying or translating of Holy Scripture would be done BY (by means of) inspiration of God. On the other hand, there DOES remain the doctrine of PRESERVATION to be considered.
    3 points
  14. This arrangement was done by Ms. Heather Sorenson...She's a very gifted young lady. I hope you enjoy this piece of music as much as I do.
    3 points
  15. Update on my sister....She's been released from the hospital and has been home for a day now. She was very dehydrated and had taken gabapentin while dehydrated. They told her that this could cause kidney damage, to NEVER take this drug while dehydrated. She didnt KNOW she was dehydrated, and the combination of being dehydrated and the gabapentin kicked her MS into gear. She's a bit weak, but she's doing better than she was. Thank you all for the prayers.
    3 points
  16. I have never heard Dr. Robert's preach, but I do agree with you that politics is becoming an issue with many pastors. I'm not talking about Biblical issues like abortion and homosexuality, but rather political issues like second amendment, election fraud, CRT and others. I may agree with what some of these pastors say, but there is no need for the pastor to tell people how to vote. Once the Word of God gets in ones life, they will know how to vote.
    3 points
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  18. Acts 2:21 (KJV) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Acts 16:30 (KJV) And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? Acts 16:31 (KJV) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Acts 4:12 (KJV) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 11:14 (KJV) Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. Acts 15:11 (KJV) But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Romans 5:9 (KJV) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Romans 10:9 (KJV) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Romans 10:13 (KJV) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Isaiah 45:22 (KJV) Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
    3 points
  19. I take no offense at what you stated, Brother. For the record, I've been with the North Fork Baptist Church of Shelbyville, Tennessee for over five years. Before that my wife and I were members of a church in our area that split. I was a laypreacher for the church before it split, and then after serving AFTER the split, because of the anymosity towards the split, my wife and I went WiTH the split. As far as "visiting many different Baptist Churches" incorrect. We've belonged to several because of splits in churches, my being involved with other churches ministries, and helping to plant churches. So, no offense taken. You're always welcomed to have the opinion you have about listening to ones own pastor..and I have to say that I agree with that...they ARE the undershepherd for the people whom they have as church members and should take that very seriously. I should clarify that because this IS A BAPTIST board, that's why I specifically mention that I've seen it in many BAPTIST churches...not just over a period of a few years, but for over 50 years. I know it's present in every denomination. But, again, I want you to be assured that I take no offense here...just wanted to clarify some things. One last thing, because of health issues, I'm not always able to be in church physically. My own church doesn't put their services online any longer, so I am pretty much resigned to either watching other Baptist preachers, or preachers whom I know are doctrinally sound, and believe me, they are getting to be far a few between. Still, I do have spiritual discernment and know how to compare to Scripture what is being said. That's one reason I brought Jeffress' comments to the news cycle! I used to listen to him years ago, but, during the Trump administration, he became far too political in nature for my tastes. My wife still listens to him, but I often hear her sayiing "Um...that's not right, Robert!" She starts pointing out in the Bible what's wrong with what he's said! I've taught her pretty well over the years. Blessings, my friend and Brother! BT
    3 points
  20. So you are an unsaved man who is trusting in another gospel, a gospel of works, to save you. Faith plus water baptism. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38 There are two possible definitions of this verse, based on the Biblical usage of the word "for" here: 1) To be baptized in order to be saved/forgiven. 2) To be baptized because our sins are forgiven through faith in Christ. How do we know which interpretation is true? The Bible never contradicts itself, and everywhere else it only teaches one Gospel for salvation - therefore a gospel of faith plus baptism is obviously arriving at a wrong conclusion and making the Bible disagree with itself.
    3 points
  21. God does not say is word is purified seven times. he says it is like silver purified seven times. The comparison is the to the end product of the purified silver, not the process of getting to the silver. God tells us that Holy Men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit and that the scriptures are given by inspiration of God. To claim that God's originally inspired word given in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek needed any kind of purifying is heretical nonsense. There are no impurities in what God gives by Inspiration and it needs no purifying. Also the purifying verse has nothing to do with translation. When David wrote that Psalm under Inspiration he was just talking about the pureness of God's word, not some need for it to be purified. End product is in mind, not the process of purification of silver.
    3 points
  22. Oh yeah, silly me. I forgot that these scientists were there, so they ought to know.
    2 points
  23. They have answered the question though. They say it's because the species of ape humans descended from are not the same species of ape that exist now. There was a split way back when and one species evolved into what are now humans and the others evolved into the apes that are still apes. The other answer is because during the evolutionary process any ape species that began to evolve higher intelligence were killed by the evolving humans so we alone became the superior ones. The other ape species could only survive by not evolving higher intelligence.
    2 points
  24. I was working on my Bible study lesson, and saw a lot in it today. I first go through the passage, this week it is Psalm 119:105-112 with the heading NUN, and define words, then I read the corresponding chapter from Spurgeon's The Golden Alphabet. After that I work through the workbook lesson. All three usually bring things to mind that I can interconnect. In relation to verse 105, which states, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Spurgeon explains, "Having no fixed lamps in eastern towns, in old time each passenger carried a lantern with him, that he might not fall into the open sewer, or stumble over the heaps of ordure which defiled the road." I found it interesting, and more relatable, knowing that individuals had to possess their own light sources in order to get around. This is exactly where we are at. Each person on earth needs their own light source to survive and make their way in the world. Some choose inferior sources (nature, humanist philosophy, etc.) which leaves them stumbling and lost. The Christian has the Word of God. But how well it lights our way and keeps us from stumbling is directly related to how much of it we hide in our heart and turn to for guidance. Just having it is enough to light the way to keep from stumbling, the more we know, though, the brighter the path gets and the more detail we can see. This also reminded me of the parable of the Ten Virgins and their lamps in Matthew 25. Five had tended their lamps and kept them ready, five had not. The wise virgins had light to draw upon when they needed it, and the other five were left in the dark. Staying in the Word keeps the oil level in our heart where it needs to be, so it can be used at a moment's notice. In verse 106 David says, "I have sworn...." The Hebrew word for sworn is 'shaba' and means seven. When making a legally binding oath, the person swore, or stated, his declaration seven times to indicate his sincerity and obligation to abide by what he was stating. So this is a serious promise, basically a covenant, that he is entering into with the Lord, that he will keep God's righteous judgments. Verse 107 says, "I am afflicted very much: quicken me, O Lord, according to thy word." The Hebrew word is 'chayah' and means to live or revive. For the unsaved it would mean to be made alive, and for the Christian is means to be stirred up or brought back to life. I immediately thought of Psalm 51:12, "Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit." Spurgeon made an interesting comment, "Frequently the affliction is made the means of the quickening, even as the stirring of a fire promotes the heat of the flame." My husband has been doing an informal study on worship. People talk about worship, but from what we have seen what they call a 'worship service' is actually just a 'feel-good' service' because the focus is on them and not God. Hubby asked a group of preachers what worship was. One gave a definition he liked, I don't remember it exactly, but basically it was when someone is suddenly so moved by the truth and reality of God and his presence that you are moved to praise. In verse 108 is says, "Accept, I beseech thee, the freewill offerings or my mouth...." The Hebrew word for 'freewill offerings' is 'nedabah' and means 'spontaneity.' Spurgeon says, "He pleads that the homage of his mouth was cheerfully and spontaneously rendered: all is utterances were freewill offerings." This all is sounding a lot like what the one preacher told hubby. So is a freewill offering worship? He will be looking into that. Spurgeon goes on to say, "There can be no value in extorted confessions, God's revenues are not derived from forced taxation, but from freewill donations." It struck me that 'forced taxation' would equate with the sacrifices under the Law, and that 'freewill offerings' would equate to the cheerful giving of those who are now under Grace. I particularly liked this quote from Spurgeon, "there is no work of free grace where there is no fruit of freewill." Verse 110 says, "The wicked have laid a snare for me: yet I erred not from thy precepts." The enemy is cunning, crafty and deceitful. There is always an element of truth in what he presents us, and that is what captures our attention, but then he subtily and cunningly twists it slowly but surely until it is no where close to the truth and we have been drawn away. My husband was a trapper as a teenager. In order to be successful at trapping he had to understand the animals he was trying to catch. He had to know what their food sources were, where those food sources could be found, what the animal did when it was hunting and stalking it's food, the movement habits of the animal when it was moving from area to area looking for food. He had to basically get inside the mind of the animal, know how it would react to new things in it's environment, etc. Spurgeon says, "Hunters set their traps in the animals' usual runs, and our worst snares are laid in our own ways." A person who abhors drunkenness will not be led to a bar or a party in an attempt to ensnare him. No, the enemy will take something that you like, something you are already inclined to, and will put it right in the paths you are always on. For the Christian, this will involve, most frequently, family or even church. Not every good thing is the right thing. This is why we need to weigh carefully what is presented to us and above all seek God's leading in all matters. Spurgeon also said, "From this verse let us learn to be on our guard, for we, too, have enemies both crafty and wicked." It reminded me of the verse in 1 Peter 5:8, "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour." My husband was at a field training exercise one year, and they were working on convoying and recognizing improvised explosive devices, or booby traps. The commander had set up some booby traps along the route they had to take. Hubby was the only one to spot every one, including the one the commander was very proud of and sure no one would see. But hubby was on alert and he knew what subtle clues to look for. Because of this trapping experience he was familiar with what forest terrain would like like, what was natural and what was man made. Because he had spend years placing and camouflaging traps for animals he knew how to apply this to the situation he was now in -- the hunted. He even spotted a potential ambush point, and alerted the others in the vehicle and urged them to treat it as such, but was chastised and ignored because they were not told that an ambush would be part of the exercise. They continued along the route and ran right into an ambush. We are being hunted by someone who wants to take us down. Being familiar with God's word and living according to his precepts will help us be alert and identify the traps that have been laid for us in our path. A couple weeks ago I posted what I had learned about "for ever." The word comes up again in verse 111. This word will "for ever" stand out to me, lol. In the second half of verse 111 it speaks of the rejoicing of the heart. Spurgeon says, "It is not the head knowledge but the heart experience which brings joy." There are a good many Christians that know a lot about the Bible, they may have a lot of the Bible committed to memory, but it hasn't touched their hearts, they haven't truly experienced the truth of God's Word, and they live joyless lives. "That which rejoices the heart is sure to be chosen and treasured." -- Spurgeon. This brought to mind these verses: Matthew 5.8 Matthew 6.12 Matthew 12.35 Matthew 22.37 Matthew 12.33 Mark 12.33 Verse 112, "I have inclined mine heart to perform thy statutes alway, even unto the end." The word 'have' is an action word, David has done it to himself. This implies proactive, determined and disciplined action in his life to achieve this state. What came to my mind was a bonsai tree or fancy topiaries in gardens. These things must be trained, wires and guides are used to lock limbs in place to grow the direction that is desired. The person doing this work has to inspect it regularly and make adjustments. It takes time, diligence and dedication. The same is required of us if we want to make the Word such a part of our lives that we live according to God's statutes.
    2 points
  25. My childhood church, the church I attended college, church after college, church upon being married, church hubby co-pastored, 4 churches after moving out of state. We've been at our current church about 8 years. Every church we went to we intended to stay at, but different incidents and circumstances made it necessary to move.
    2 points
  26. Invicta

    Whats for Supper...

    I usually put bacon in my hallf. I make a large one and put veggies alp over and then add bacon to my half. Yesterday I intended to add some ham but I forgot. I used a frozen pizza dough this time but I sometimes make a dough in my breadmaker, other times we buy a simple pizza like tomato and cheese and add other things that we like. I usually add plenty of onions, red preferred, mushrooms for my wife, red pepper (bell pepper, tomato, ) yesterday I added courgette (zucchini), then spikle with dried oregano and garlic, yesterday I added dried Basil and then we sprinkle olive oil over. This evening I am planning salad. Ham and perhaps egg for me and cheeses for my wife. She likes Feta marinated in olive oil and herbes de Provence.
    2 points
  27. Morales, why do you keep calling her the Virgin Mary? She was only a virgin until the birth of her first child. She was a virgin - but is never called the Virgin Mary in the Bible. You are referring to her in a Catholic sense that is not right or appropriate.
    2 points
  28. I think the title comes straight out of Catholicism - and most Protestants that use it (unless they are heretics) use it without thinking about it; however, it is a title that is idolatrous and should be avoided. On another note, there is enough on the actual Biblical Mary that someone can do an excellent, Biblical, character study on her, her life, her faith and response to Gabriel (ie. response to God's message), her reactions to seeing Jesus in the temple at 12, her words at the wedding, seeing how Jesus accepted His brethren (ie. those saved) over His physical family, watching the events of the crucifixion afar off (and relating it to her song in Luke 1, about the sword piercing her own soul), comparing her song with Hannah's, her gathering with the 120 believers praying in the upper room). I think some avoid preaching about her because of the many falsehoods told about her - but we should learn from what the Bible says about her as we would any other Bible character. You could preach on motherhood, on the events around Jesus' birth, on seeing those you love suffer, on how important following and obeying Jesus is - even use the passages about her to preach against false teachings on her.
    2 points
  29. This isn't an issue that can be solved through the means of man, it's an issue of conviction and ones faith and trust on God's provision for his people. We have his word now. Why should we doubt future generations or past generations don't or won't have it? Or even other nations? If we have missionaries sent out with the KJV, and they translate into the language of their residency, should we not have faith that, that is sufficient by the grace of God? Doctrinally, these are issues for local Church bodies, but even inside those churches they will only be proven through the conviction of the Holy Spirit for the individuals. I believe God wishes Israel to be righteous, and to testify for him, but instead through GRACE he has used another Witness, us the church. And I don't see how that lens cannot be used to view the dispensation of our Bible. Also, to think of it in another way. There is two debates taking place. But they are related. "Is the KJV wholly sufficient" and "Is there a Bible wholly sufficient". The second question should be answered first. And the answer is undoubtedly yes. Now, "Is the KJV wholly sufficient" - Yes, to those who show them selves approved. "Can we go outside the KJV" - Yes, to those who show them selves approved. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 TIMOTHY 2:15. I would say, any translation done properly, is done by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Anyways, this entire thread is sad and is a perfect example of Modern Christianity. Biting each others heads off for 'heresy'. Church splits over ties and suits. None of you actually understood what Sureword is saying, His complaint about the Textus Receptus is because of translations like the MEV, Modern English Version, which if we went by the how the thread dictates, would be proper. However even that Bible is in error. But yes continue to jive and hoorah for tearing another Brothers head off.
    2 points
  30. Rebecca

    Whats for Supper...

    I'm in a quarantine hotel in Taiwan, it's been almost two weeks, I have another day and then freedom! But I just wanted to share the different lunchbox meals the hotel provided. I didn't take a picture of every meal , but this will give you an idea of what typical Taiwanese food looks like. My favorite, pork dumplings and corn soup. How they delivered my food.
    2 points
  31. With further reflection I wish to add some further thoughts to my comments above. To claim that the King James translators were directly inspired by God the Holy Spirit, such that every "jot and tittle" of the English King James translation was precisely translated with inerrant perfection, but then to claim that God gave NO new added revelation at that time, seems from my perspective to be a logical inconsistency. Such is one of the reasons why I myself (and others similar in position to me) oppose that viewpoint so firmly - because it appears to necessitate ADDED revelation. Furthermore, I would ask of those who hold such a position - 1. Was William Tyndale inspired by God the Holy Spirit when he produced the Tyndale English translation of the Bible? 2. Was the 1769 "reviser" of the King James translation inspired by God the Holy Spirit when he revised the King James translation? (Note: If the answer is NO, then that "reviser" had no divine authority to change a single "jot or tittle" of the original King James translation, not in a "jot or tittle" of spelling or a "jot or tittle" of punctuation." On the other hand, if the answer is Yes, then we see a "sequence" of divine inspiration upon the King James English translation. As such, it would be logically possible for the Lord our God yet to inspire another "reviser" or "revision committee" for yet another revision of the King James translation.) 3. Were the translators of the New King James translation inspired by God the Holy Spirit when they produced the New King James translation? (Note: If the answer is NO, then upon what doctrinal grounds, being logically consistent within your belief system, do you deny this possibility to them? If the answer is Yes, then we all should have switched to using that which the Lord our God has most lately inspired for us.) 4. Are there any other translations in any other languages that have also received God's direct hand of inspiration upon them? (Note: If the answer is NO, then I would ask why the Lord our God singled out the English language translation for His special work of inspiration, but not any other language. If the answer is Yes, then I would ask whether those Holy Spirit inspired translations agree with the King James English translation in "jot and tittle" agreement. If they do not agree in "jot and tittle" agreement, then may we conclude that the Lord our God intends his Holy Word to be "jot and tittle" different for different language groups?) _______________________________________ Note: The questions above are NOT presented because I stand against the King James translation, for I most certainly do NOT. In fact, I hold firmly to the King James translation for English speaking peoples. However, I most certainly do NOT come to that position through any form of "re-inspiration" viewpoint. Indeed, I stand just as firmly AGAINST a "re-inspiration" viewpoint, as I stand FOR the King James English translation. Thus the questions above are intended to reveal and confront the consistencies (or inconsistencies) of the "re-inspiration" viewpoint.
    2 points
  32. The GOP isn't as intolerant of diverse ideas as the Democrats are. There is a wide array of viewpoints within the GOP and even in the leadership. Conservatives are still a strong part.
    2 points
  33. For starters, that's not what I said. I stated, and ti should be pretty clear, it's up to the CHURCH...AUTONOMOUS...to set the terms. I don't believe it's up to us to set their terms. We, if we're members of said church, can voice our opinion in the business meeting, and the church as a whole has to make the decision. Personally, I believe that pastors in a church of a good size should be giving their pastors more than a salary, unless that salary is sizeable enough to cover some of the costs he would incur. Remember, he IS an EMPLOYEE of the church, though he is paid to be it's shepherd.
    2 points
  34. In our church, we basically know what's going to be on the agenda of any given meeting. My husband meets with the men the week prior to our all-church meeting, to discuss the financial report and any other issues (like taking on missionaries). Then, when it is presented to the church, the men's recommendations are mentioned. Discussion is held, and we vote. Majority takes the vote (only one time do I remember not having a unanimous vote). That is the way our constitution states for us to hold meetings, so that's the way we do it. The members of our church have given my husband a certain latitude in decision making (certain amount of $ he can spend without the church voting on it, for example). But he is very, very careful to be responsible and transparent about things and not be a bossy-pants. My husband usually does leave the meeting during discussion of his salary (or gifts that the members have discussed wanting to give him). Three years ago, the members voted to raise his salary every January, but due to covid ravaging our membership (no, nobody has gotten it...but we've lost a good number of folks due to the fear of it), he told the church he would rather not receive a raise this year. Members discussed it and agreed to not raising his salary - but it was the church's decision. Under his suggestion, yes, but we decided, not him. Same with the car the church bought him - he went on record that he didn't want the church to do so, and he abstained from the vote. But the church bought it anyway (it's actually the church's car, bought for him to use, so if God moved him on the car would go back to the church) He does make the decisions as to what happens in the pulpit, what kind of music we sing, etc. Because that is the pastor's job...but, again, his duties and responsibilities are clear in our constitution.
    2 points
  35. The website the information was from is https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html If you really want to find the statistics listed above in the thread, you need to sift through information, it's not really provided in an easy to access article. Happy hunting. https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html
    2 points
  36. Any church business should be presented to the whole congregation before any business meeting concerning it is conducted. It is not fair or ethical for only a few, even if they are staff, to know about and deliberate on things before introducing them to the congregation. In this scenario the few get plenty of time to talk things over, examine them, take and make suggestions and such. Then it is presented to the congregation, to whom this is all brand new and they have no time to even think about it before having to discuss and vote. I am talking about important church business, not something as simple as who is going to bring what to a pot luck. For important church business time should be provided for people to think, discuss, and research any important business. To me, this can be one o the main problems with having things like Deacons and committees and extra staff. Even thought some of these may be needed in a large church, they should not be allowed to "run the show".
    2 points
  37. Yes, except "sottish" which I can't recall off hand. You know how I learned what they meant? I got off my backside and grabbed a dictionary and looked them up. In a few cases I could grasp the gist of the word by the context it was used in. There's no excuse for not knowing what a word means especially with the internet. And to hear a college educated person who spent $200,000 on their education cry they can't understand a word is really an embarrassment to our education system. I have an app on my phone that shows the definition of the word and also the root word(s) it is derived from. Nothing but pure laziness or an excuse to not read the Bible is the reason for these excuses. PS: Looking at my app the word "sottish" means a foolish or stupid person and comes from a root word that was used for "drunkard, stupefy". It's where the word "besot" comes from. In England it is still used to refer to a "chronic drinker".
    2 points
  38. Just to clarify here Bill. When I say I love you and tell my wife I love her. It most definitely is not the same love. I want to clarify that right away. Let's not make it awkward lol
    2 points
  39. I have no plans of removing the name Baptist off our church name. For me it's more of a conviction than a preference.
    2 points
  40. Wait a second. BB, you said and I quote, "I don't need scripture", and then ask what Scripture I use? I'm curious why you want Scripture you said you don't need? You're deflecting from your original statement to get others defensive. Stand by your statement and stop deflecting when called out. All I said was God has qualifications for Pastors. If you don't that, take it up with God, I'm just the messenger. BTW...Scripture is my final authority, not man. God set special qualifications for a Pastor and deacons, which means he expects more out of them. Does not mean they are to be lifted up, just that God expects more than the member sitting in the pew.
    2 points
  41. We find in Scripture how Christians are supposed act and live which includes pastors. However, Pastor and deacons then have qualifications above and beyond the church member. God expects more from the pastor and gave them qualifications.
    2 points
  42. Study's are starting to show that electric cars are worse than gas vehicles for the environment. Who would have thunk? oh yeah, conservatives. We have been duped by the left.
    2 points
  43. We just got another update on my BIL...he has a couple of blood clots in his lungs now. We wish we knew more, like whether or not they're going to intubate him. He said that he was positive that if he was intubated he wouldn't make it. He's got a strong will, and is a fighter. I just texted him and told him that I expect him to pull through. We're supposed to go fishing next summer!
    2 points
  44. I have no problem with feeding the flock with physical food as well as Spiritual food. I guess you don't have to physically feed the folks if you are just there for an hour or so. It's the Lords day, not the Lord's morning. We have at times taken breaks to eat so we can come right back for more preaching. Fellowship with the saints is an important part of our church. It's not about filling a pew, church is an event.
    2 points
  45. BrotherTony

    Baptist Buffets…

    I agree. In our church we have several "security" people...all carry guns, and i believe at least one is an officer somewhere nearby. In our church, being small (between 80 and 140 people on any given Sunday), our fellowships usually have the ladies and some men leaving the service just before the invitation to get the food warmed and put onto the tables. It doesn't take long. Fellowships are a great way to make sure that visitors feel welcomed if they've come on that particular Sunday, and we've had several come to the Lord because of the time spent on them on those Sundays. That's one thing I do love about our church. It was also, for my wife and I, a GREAT WAY to get to know other people who were in our SS class, in the church as deacons, and just to meet others our own age or a bit older. I wouldn't change a thing.
    2 points
  46. Not at our church. Food is kept warm either in a crockpot or in the oven, turned on before any service begins. And no work to set it out until after the service is over. As for security, we have a very small church and our one "security" sits in the service along with everyone else. He has very quick reaction times... And members don't hang around outside just talking. Let's not broadbrush - maybe "what often happens" instead...
    2 points
  47. Which is why, on our potluck days, we don't have dessert until after the last service. People save room, and don't get the zzz feeling from the sugar. As to that, folks need to be responsible and not eat so much they'll get sleepy.
    2 points
  48. Jerry

    So Amazed

    I am working on getting a third poetry book together. I may not be able to print it up anytime soon, but I know if I put it together the Lord will bless it online and perhaps in book form, if He so wills. Definitely will need a lot of prayer for the putting together of that book: the themes and book divisions, the content, as well as the Introduction, two or three devotional studies for the back of the book, and permission granted from a couple of friends whom I will contact about contributing one or two poems each. The main/theme poem will be So Amazed, and the book will more than likely be called So Amazed By Grace. Love Broke Through and The End Of The Fight - which I just posted a few minutes ago - will also be in it.
    2 points
  49. BrotherTony

    Baptist Buffets…

    I've never heard of a Baptist church that has buffets or fellowship every week after service....I'm not against buffets or fellowships after church, but don't believe they should used every week. In most of the IFB churches I was in growing up and in my early married years, we usually had one fellowship on a Sunday evening a month. To say what each church should or shouldn't do is becoming legalistic, as each church is free to choose how they run their own worship, their own fellowships, etc. It's really NONE of our business how another church conducts their fellowships, unless of course, they're bringing a reproach upon the name of Christ.
    2 points
  50. I enjoyed your article Pastor Matt. I became a Christian five years ago, and I bounced around many churches in many denominations until I found a conservative independent Baptist church. It struck me the first night as great, it had great expository preaching and seemed aimed primarily at feeding the congregation with the Word . They refuse to allow any modern music, which I thought was extreme. However, I now see it was aimed at focusing everyone on the meaning of the songs and glorifying God. It also seems a stance against the entertainment model of church music. I think the important thing is to get those singing on stage or in the congregation to focus on God, to give Him fame and praise, and to be more about the meaning of the songs than the performance of them. It doesn't matter the music style or culture if these are everyone's goals. Every single church I went to that was entertainment-centered during so-called worship had issues in other areas that sent me packing eventually. Usually a deep misunderstanding of what the Word actually says and commands.
    2 points
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