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  1. Why would you need to update anything? The ‘old language’ is still perfectly good English.The fact that modern folks are too lazy to learn the meanings of words is no reason to change the Bible. Save your trouble and buy a dictionary. You’ve hit a bone of contention for me - not so much in defense of the KJV, but in defense of good English. You can’t really ‘simplify’ something without removing the depths of the meaning of the larger words. I think such an attempt, if made honestly to retain the true meaning, would result in unnecessary wordiness and a more confusing text. Also,
    6 points
  2. When you use "archaic" in reference any word in the KJV it shows you've already drunk the modernist cool aid and believe in their errant reasoning. I don't say that to be harsh but rather to ask that you reconsider that concept in reference to the words of the KJV. Every trade, and even sub cultures, has words that are more common among that trade than the general populace. The translators used a unique English format so that it could be cross cultural with minimal effort. The problem with modernist logic is that now they must make a separate "simple" U.S. update, a separate "simple" U.K. upda
    5 points
  3. So my Dad's remaining brother contracted covid, as did his wife. (Just FYI - this is not a thread about covid, so don't make it so...just know that masking, "social" distancing, isolation, etc., were all practiced by the family and yet he and his wife contracted covid. Viruses are gonna virus...) My uncle, Dave, ended up in ICU on a respirator. Today I was told that they had to take him off everything - they had to remove air from around his heart and lungs, so the oxygen had to be removed. He had suffered a number of strokes and there is no brain activity. And they said it is only a matt
    5 points
  4. I think you came here with your mind made up already! Can you give examples of words you consider to be archaic, and the words you think may be an appropriate 'modern' replacement? I'm very curious as to whether your suggested updates would be appropriate replacements. Examples of grammar would be welcome as well. Also, how do you purport to appropriately replace the oft-maligned thee's and thou's without losing the distinguishing of singular and plural pronouns that is lost with the common modern usage (i.e. using 'you' for both singular & plural situations)? The word 'a
    4 points
  5. Pastor Scott Markle

    Fatalism

    No! The dictionary definition for "fatalism" is "the belief that all events are determined by fate and, therefore, inevitable; acceptance of every event as inevitable." The first difference between a believer in the Biblical God and a fatalist is the the "source" of "determination" for events -- For the fatalist that "source" is a completely impersonal, uncaring "fate;" whereas for the believer that "source" is a very personal, great and good God. From this first difference flows various others -- "Fate" is impersonal, and therefore neither wise nor unwise in its arrangement of events; wher
    4 points
  6. Have you accepted this position? "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." [Matthew 28:18-20] Satan and those who are confused or deceived by Satan will, in Satan's case knowingly, and in the case of the deceived, knowingly or unknowingly do any/every-thing to preve
    4 points
  7. It seems that since this virus has become known (notice I did not say since it's been here...because it was here before the "experts" claim), there is no other way of dying. No other sickness. In fact, pharmacists have been saying that they are no longer selling tamiflu...apparently flu and colds no longer exist. It's a miracle! Not really - that was sarcasm, for the folks who don't know. However, covid has taken over the airwaves and the minds of many. To the exclusion of all else. Gunshot deaths are labeled covid - because $$. By far too many other deaths are labeled at least covid-r
    4 points
  8. In my estimation the poll title is misleading and should not be used on this forum. The poll title is: "Would you use a simple accurate KJV update? The poll title insinuates that the KJV is not simple and is not accurate. And, the poll title insinuates that that those who disagree are not willing to use an accurate version of the Bible. Furthermore, since the poll is public on a KJV forum, the poll, due to its misleading title will be sending the wrong message to the reading public. Besides being an inaccurate poll title, those individuals, such as 115 Timothy, here on
    3 points
  9. I hear preachers and evangelists on the radio using the MEVs* frequently--BUT, when they quote, they fall back on the kJV language they memorized and understand. So, you're saying for 400 years folks had no trouble understanding the language of the KJV, correct? So, now I'll ask you a question or two. Have people dumbed down that they don't understand what people have understood for 400 years? Or, sadly, is it possible preachers and evangelists are dumbing down? No, I didn't take your poll. *Modern English Versions.
    3 points
  10. The problem comes, I think, with confusing repentance with the result of repentance, or if you will, repentance of heart with repentance in action. True repentance will come with a change in behavior, the heart action resulting in the change of behavior: heart to works. Now, some things repented of can take time to turn into an action, (ie, addictions, etc). in the case of Nineveh, their repentance, initially, was a changed heart, followed by prayer and fasting with a true intent of heart to change and obey God. Yes, there was a work, but that was a work borne out of repentance of the heart.
    3 points
  11. Indeed, IF turning from iniquity (repentance) is defined as meaning a turning from the commission of sin, then it is a work (that is -- the work of quitting sin). In addition, then the purpose of preaching the gospel, which as you say is to turn them from iniquity, would be to motivate sinners to do the work of quitting sin in order to be saved. However, also as you say this IS "contradictory to the whole teaching of the Bible." Now, the debate among Fundamental Baptists over the definition of "repentance for salvation" has existed at least for a few generations. This debate over the
    3 points
  12. Every year for the past 4 years i'm hospitalized for a week with the flu, How come nobody ever told me they were sorry for not wearing a mask around me? When/if Covid is over, will you stop earing a mask in public? Virus are deadly every year to certain people, so you must publicly wear a mask the rest of your life to protect those folks.
    3 points
  13. Here is what I tell my members. Pray about it and do what God tells you to do. If God is telling you to stay home, you better stay home and watch the services online. If God is telling you to go, then you better go. I don't believe there is a one answer solution that fits everyone.
    3 points
  14. Pastor Scott Markle

    Calvinism

    False. My questions are assuming no such things. They say nothing about "deserving" grace, nor do they say anything whatsoever at all about fairness. In fact, you have already asked me questions about God's fairness and about whether anyone "deserves" God's grace. And I have directly answered your questions. What I desire is for you as a Calvinist to acknowledge the doctrinal realities of your own system of belief, NOT to try to tell me what I assume in my system of belief. If you want to ask me direct questions about my system of belief, I will answer them and will even present Scriptur
    3 points
  15. Mine is a personal opinion only. I do not consider any update of the KJV necessary or even possible, without errors of omission or commission. I suspect that in today's world there are no Bible scholars that are on a par with the original translators. Of first and foremost importance is the verifiable fact that the manuscripts they worked from are no longer in existence; therefore, any update can only be from using the existing KJV, complete with its language and grammar. As for the ability, or lack of it for the average person to understand, I have heard it said that our KJV is und
    2 points
  16. TO THE MOST HIGH AND MIGHTY PRINCE, JAMES by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland Defender of the Faith, &c. The Translators of the Bible wish Grace, Mercy, and Peace through Jesus CHRIST our LORD [What follows is the Dedicatory Epistle of the King James translators to King James I who commissioned the translation of the Kimg James Bible. It is included here that the reader might have a basis of comparison between the language and style of the 1611 Authorized King James Version and the language and style this Dedicatory Epistle. Note the sharp c
    2 points
  17. I would add that I extremely doubt we have any scholars nowadays with the breadth of expertise in the original languages to retranslate at the same level of depth and accuracy. We have also lost manuscripts (both Biblical and otherwise) in the intermediary years that would prevent any new translators from having access to the same breadth of knowledge as the KJV translators.
    2 points
  18. The problem here is, the language actually isn't 400 years old. The fact is, the language of the King James Bible really never existed in time, it is a mish-mash of styles, many much older than the KJV, used because it was more precise in its interpretation of some of the Greek and Hebrew; it is literally a language style specifically created for the KJV-if you read the introduction written by the translators, you'll notice it is very different from the text of the Bible-this is why I would really not be in favor of it.
    2 points
  19. By a careful examination, and the correct dividing of the Scriptures, one of the important doctrines of the Bible is the restoration of the nation of Israel, as promised by God to the patriarchs. Along with the restoration of the nation of Israel the Lord Jesus will reign as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS and David will be raised to reign as King over Israel. In this lesson we will look at the prophecy of Ezekiel 37:24 and the references to, ‘David my servant shall be king over them;.’ The prophet Ezekiel prophesied, “And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have
    2 points
  20. Alan

    Joseph and his Jewish Dreams

    In December 2017 I made this video, in English, on Taiwan, on Genesis 37:5-11. I do hope that it is a blessing and an encouragement to your life. "Umbrella Rock." On the East Coast of Taiwan. Photo by Alan
    2 points
  21. I also am a fan of wide margins bibles. I write extensively in my Bible with exegetical and theological notations.
    2 points
  22. O.K. Here are pics of my older one, Cambridge wide margin, I bought it in Va. Bch. while attending Tabernacle Baptist Church in Va. Bch., Va. in about 1983. I bought my most recent from Local Church Bible Publishers located in Lansing, MI and the inside is a page by page copy of my Cambridge, exception being the inclusion of the translators preface and the dedicatory of the 1611. Otherwise even the page numbers for the books of the Bible are the same and also has wide margin. I prefer a wide margin for notes. I also prefer not to have study or notes of others, just the KJV. I've seen others le
    2 points
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  24. My aunt got mixed up about the days - they actually did not remove him from the oxygen til this morning. However, he passed as soon as they did. Thankfully his wife was able to be with him. Thank you for praying.
    2 points
  25. Yes, with explanation. I have heard previously that "repentance for salvation" is being made into a work IF it is being defined as a "turning from sinful behavior" for salvation. However, those whom I have previously encountered along this line then proceed to indicate that such is a false definition for repentance; and they have further provided a definition that they believe does not make "repentance for salvation" out to be work. (Note: I myself would also hold that "repentance for salvation" is being made into a work IF it is being defined as a "turning from unrighteous behavior unt
    2 points
  26. Alan

    The beauty of creation

    While we took a break awhile back we visited Kenting National Park. Kenting national park is on the southern tip of Taiwan and is very scenic. We like to walk among the trees in the forest and just enjoy the beauty of nature. Kenting National Park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenting_National_Park Giant Autumn Maple Tree In Chinese 茄苳巨木 The Plaque for the Giant Autumn maple Tree
    2 points
  27. Alan

    Patriotism

    Brethren, I want to thank all of those whom have participated in this thread. It has been a blessing to my heart and I do hope to your heart and life also. At this time I would to ask the moderators at this time to lock this thread. May God bless all of you. Alan
    2 points
  28. Salyan

    Proud Boys

    No. But when a culture is steeped in false religion, it’s spiritual thoughts will be based from that. And the examples you have weren’t ‘cultures’ (e.g. Arabian, Nepalese), they were religions (Muslim, Buddhist). Just going off the information you provided.
    2 points
  29. Salyan

    Proud Boys

    While a rich tapestry of cultures is great for general understanding and cultural diversity (and food!), 'rich spiritual thoughts' from pagan cultures/religions have no place in a Bible class... unless you're explaining what the Bible has to say about those pagan ideas (Eph. 5:11). There can be no true unity in a church except through God's truth. Not saying there won't be differences of opinions, but good doctrine is non-negotiable. Jesus' prayer for the unity of the church is centered on with sanctification through the truth of God's Word (John 17).
    2 points
  30. Ukulelemike

    Proud Boys

    Studied at Loyola University? The Jesuit college? And he is a Baptist? Well, Southern Baptist, I suspect. But with a Catholic bent? Can't trust anyone to be a true follower of Christ, much less a preacher, that sides with the party of infanticide on demand.
    2 points
  31. I'm sorry, but I would have to disagree with you here. Not about getting the vaccine, which is up to the individual, but about "no kind words" for those who "for religious reason" won't get them. Their reasons for NOT getting vaccines are just as valid as your reasons FOR getting them. Were you not the one who said earlier, "Each, according to the dictates of one's own conscience"? The two postings do not match... And I gotta say - comparing Jesus' - the Creator of the universe- healings to manmade vaccinations? Nah. Just nah.
    2 points
  32. HappyChristian

    Spelling Bee

    I think you need to re-learn the definition of "gutter comments." There was nothing about the gutter in his comment (other than the sad fact that our Congress is putting us there with their ridiculous "rules" about not calling anyone father, mother, sister, daughter, son)...and as was pointed out by myself and another - it was IN THE EXACT SAME VEIN AS YOUR OPENING COMMENT. You have taken something that could have been enjoyable and fun and made it, yet again, a test about your superior spirituality. Again, if you don't want those kinds of comments, stop making them yourself. And I would
    2 points
  33. Jim, this is the mantra of the left...and, sadly, among many on the right as well as Christians. "la,la,la,la" with blindfolds on as evidence is presented..."I don't see any proof..." sigh
    2 points
  34. Ukulelemike

    Calvinism

    On your first point, let me say this: Jn 1:9 "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. " Jn 3:14, 15 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. " Jn 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Jesus lights every man that comes into the world, and from Calvary, He drew ALL men to Himself, giving ALL men the ability to believe on Him unto eternal life. No possibility that Jesus' d
    2 points
  35. Ukulelemike

    Calvinism

    Absolutely, because none of us deserve it. However, He has not, as Calvinism believes and teaches, secured some for salvation and secured some for damnation. Again, if God "commands all men, everywhere to repent", while not allowing a majority to obey that command, then He is, indeed, unjust. To dangle eternal life before those that he has willingly assured cannot have it, would be cruel and wicked. That is not the God I serve. If He tells all men everywhere to repent, He gives all men everywhere the ability to do so.
    2 points
  36. Alan

    The Local Church.

    Brethren, The lesson on, "The Calling Out of the New Testament Church from the Earth," is more lengthy than I can do in one lesson. So, this is lesson "a." Alan Revelation 1:4 & 11, “The Calling Out of the New Testament Church From the Earth.”Lesson #: "a" According to 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 the day is coming when the Lord Jesus will call out, to gather, to assemble, His saints, from the dead or those alive, from off the earth to meet Him in the clouds in the air. “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not,
    2 points
  37. Indeed, it is a shame, because getting "saved again" can NEVER be the solution to their fleshly/carnal character (since it is impossible to get "saved again"). Rather, the solution for victory in the believer's life, no matter how overcome by the flesh, is the process of broken-hearted repentance, humility before the Lord, dependence upon the Lord's grace, submission to the Lord, and walking in the Spirit. By confusing them with false teaching, in one form or another, the devil keeps them from finding the path to true victory. (And it saddens me how much of this is found within Fundamental
    2 points
  38. Indeed, "preservation of the saints" certainly would be a better phrase; for it sets its focus on the promise and faithfulness of God our Savior just as God's Word does, rather than on our behavior. However, that phrase would not at all be accurate in relation to the Calvinistic system of belief, since that system of belief denies the existence of "carnal believers" and/or "backslidden believers" for any habitual length of time.
    2 points
  39. SureWord

    Would you throw it away?

    Prayer and the bible. Remember, God will not put you through temptation you can't handle but it will be rough at times. So you'll need to stay in the book and continually pray. Also, remember your cousin's music memorabilia has no power over you. It may be disturbing to look at but it has no power over you with your relationship with God. As far as the food, I'm not sure what you mean by "demonic prints" being on them, I guess you mean the companies logo, but the food itself is harmless and no devils are dwelling in it. Just give thanks and ask God to bless it. Also, I don't th
    2 points
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